There is no way people are actually trying to justify a bug use in Champions nobody but Vivo Keyd is in fault for this situation so maybe instead embarrassing your own region accept the fact that you lost the match and move on
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in particular, I had already accepted the victory given to Acend, but there are some points that make me believe that the punishment doesn't make sense.
1 - apparently it wasn't in the rulebook (I don't know if it's true)
2.1 - the game between SEN vs FUR was paused for 15 min for a possible glitch, the judges were paying attention.
2.2 - In the game between VK x ACE, the camera is used 6 times, wouldn't there be a referee at the time to pause the match and apply a penalty in the middle of the match?
2.3- the first time you used jhow, all the broadcast chat noticed the use of the bug, why didn't the judges stop the game?
I don't know if this makes any sense to you, but that's why some Brazilians are disgusted with the punishment
MetusaSR [#2]in particular, I had already accepted the victory given to Acend, but there are some points that make me believe that the punishment doesn't make sense.
1 - apparently it wasn't in the rulebook (I don't know if it's true)
2.1 - the game between SEN vs FUR was paused for 15 min for a possible glitch, the judges were paying attention.
2.2 - In the game between VK x ACE, the camera is used 6 times, wouldn't there be a referee at the time to pause the match and apply a penalty in the middle of the match?
2.3- the first time you used jhow, all the broadcast chat noticed the use of the bug, why didn't the judges stop the game?I don't know if this makes any sense to you, but that's why some Brazilians are disgusted with the punishment
It wasn't specifically mentioned in the rule book but https://twitter.com/ACE_Krimson/status/1467109773229404160
dapada [#6]It wasn't specifically mentioned in the rule book but https://twitter.com/ACE_Krimson/status/1467109773229404160
And giants got punished a map for it too.
MetusaSR [#2]in particular, I had already accepted the victory given to Acend, but there are some points that make me believe that the punishment doesn't make sense.
1 - apparently it wasn't in the rulebook (I don't know if it's true)
2.1 - the game between SEN vs FUR was paused for 15 min for a possible glitch, the judges were paying attention.
2.2 - In the game between VK x ACE, the camera is used 6 times, wouldn't there be a referee at the time to pause the match and apply a penalty in the middle of the match?
2.3- the first time you used jhow, all the broadcast chat noticed the use of the bug, why didn't the judges stop the game?I don't know if this makes any sense to you, but that's why some Brazilians are disgusted with the punishment
I admit that vivo kyed would have won that match but rules are rules also the exploit in Sen x Furia game was far less useful then the camara exploit
USCK [#9]I admit that vivo kyed would have won that match but rules are rules also the exploit in Sen x Furia game was far less useful then the camara exploit
I agree with you, and this reinforces my point, if Furia's game was hampered by a small exploit, why didn't they pause VK's game? since the exploit is much more serious
USCK [#9]I admit that vivo kyed would have won that match but rules are rules also the exploit in Sen x Furia game was far less useful then the camara exploit
there was no exploit by furia, the problem was the fact that riot started the investigation when they had the momentum only to find out it's legal.. but it's a seperate issue
dapada [#6]It wasn't specifically mentioned in the rule book but https://twitter.com/ACE_Krimson/status/1467109773229404160
Ow, ty man
helped me to reason better, but the text is from other maps, isn't it? it wouldn't have a reference to breeze
MetusaSR [#11]I agree with you, and this reinforces my point, if Furia's game was hampered by a small exploit, why didn't they pause VK's game? since the exploit is much more serious
Because it wasn't pointed out to the refs during the game. The same thing happened with the Giants cam exploit, they only made the ruling after the game when players complained publicly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/oaxkpq/game_breaking_cypher_cam_abuse_in_vct/
shyftnot [#7]nobody but Vivo Keyd is in fault for this situation
immediately forgets ritOMEGALUL didn't fix that bug in about 4 months.
it being in the game does not justify cheating. They knew what they were doing was illegal, not the first time exploits happen.
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#12]there was no exploit by furia, the problem was the fact that riot started the investigation when they had the momentum only to find out it's legal.. but it's a seperate issue
OK, I think I'm wrong in comparing it to Furia's game (my team), but you don't agree that the game should be paused the moment it was used for the first time
MetusaSR [#2]in particular, I had already accepted the victory given to Acend, but there are some points that make me believe that the punishment doesn't make sense.
1 - apparently it wasn't in the rulebook (I don't know if it's true)
2.1 - the game between SEN vs FUR was paused for 15 min for a possible glitch, the judges were paying attention.
2.2 - In the game between VK x ACE, the camera is used 6 times, wouldn't there be a referee at the time to pause the match and apply a penalty in the middle of the match?
2.3- the first time you used jhow, all the broadcast chat noticed the use of the bug, why didn't the judges stop the game?I don't know if this makes any sense to you, but that's why some Brazilians are disgusted with the punishment
on ur 2.1 point. even if judges are paying attention it doesnt mean they can catch everything. I didnt notice the bug use while I was watching for example.
2.2 as previously stated, they didnt catch the bug at the time of the game. neither did Acend for that matter.
2.3 im not sure what you mean by this but, i dont think they referee(s) are looking at the streams chat while doing their job.
indi_getrektson [#17]it being in the game does not justify cheating. They knew what they were doing was illegal, not the first time exploits happen.
no it doesn't. vk deserve the win but it should still be punished. and ritOMEGALUL is dumb too.
Bo0mShell [#13]Furia one wasn't even an exploit
exactly! nor was it a bug, but pausing the game for it.
a previously used bug rolled in the game and they didn't pause to alert the teams
MetusaSR [#15]Ow, ty man
helped me to reason better, but the text is from other maps, isn't it? it wouldn't have a reference to breeze
Yes they didn't specifically mentioned Breeze, but..
"If you find something where you are not sure if it's a bug or clever use of a mechanic, please check with the administration if it is an exploit/bug before using it in the match. Subsequent punishments may also be possible."
"Cameras: Cameras may only be placed in places where they can be seen and destroyed by the opponents."
Source: https://www.vct.gg/statics/rules
MetusaSR [#19]OK, I think I'm wrong in comparing it to Furia's game (my team), but you don't agree that the game should be paused the moment it was used for the first time
Yes I agree that it should have been paused then, but they didn't note it so the problem is partly on the refs and partly on Keyd.. Now as to the severity of the punishment that can be contested. I don't know if the punishment they chose is the best decision.
w1rk [#20]on ur 2.1 point. even if judges are paying attention it doesnt mean they can catch everything. I didnt notice the bug use while I was watching for example.
2.2 as previously stated, they didnt catch the bug at the time of the game. neither did Acend for that matter.
2.3 im not sure what you mean by this but, i dont think they referee(s) are looking at the streams chat while doing their job.
I understand your points.
I didn't mean that the judges look at the chat, maybe I expressed myself wrong, my point is: the casual chat noticed, and the judges who work in the match don't? shouldn't their attention be doubled?
if the judges didn't notice it before, it doesn't make sense to punish later.
I agree that using the bug was wrong, but Riotgames didn't handle the matter in the best way
shyftnot [#7]nobody but Vivo Keyd is in fault for this situation
immediately forgets ritOMEGALUL didn't fix that bug in about 4 months.
actually what the fuck? fixed or not, you can not use this bug you're not supposed to be right? as a pro player how the fuck you can miss that? the only problem with it, riot should've taken an action when it's just used, in the middle of the match .. what if it was an unknown camera bug, as a pro player you must know that it's still not allowed cuz it's a damn bug and this time it was clearly known bug that giants penalized before .. what kind of fucking brain you guys have to not think about this, it's not about bug fixed or not .. it's just not allowed to use anyway damn ..
w1rk [#20]on ur 2.1 point. even if judges are paying attention it doesnt mean they can catch everything. I didnt notice the bug use while I was watching for example.
2.2 as previously stated, they didnt catch the bug at the time of the game. neither did Acend for that matter.
2.3 im not sure what you mean by this but, i dont think they referee(s) are looking at the streams chat while doing their job.
well if judges can't catch it on 6 rounds... just fire those mfs.
dapada [#23]Yes they didn't specifically mentioned Breeze, but..
"If you find something where you are not sure if it's a bug or clever use of a mechanic, please check with the administration if it is an exploit/bug before using it in the match. Subsequent punishments may also be possible."
"Cameras: Cameras may only be placed in places where they can be seen and destroyed by the opponents."
Source: https://www.vct.gg/statics/rules
this is stage 3, the chanpions book is not available? maybe it's not written the same way.
anyway, enlightened me a little
kyLeria_ [#26]actually what the fuck? fixed or not, you can not use this bug you're not supposed to be right? as a pro player how the fuck you can miss that? the only problem with it, riot should've taken an action when it's just used, in the middle of the match .. what if it was an unknown camera bug, as a pro player you must know that it's still not allowed cuz it's a damn bug and this time it was clearly known bug that giants penalized before .. what kind of fucking brain you guys have to not think about this, it's not about bug fixed or not .. it's just not allowed to use anyway damn ..
how in earth would you think that a pro would purposefully use an EXPLOIT on the biggest tournament ever, knowing that it can be reviewed and they get pontetially DQ? use your brain pls.
kyLeria_ [#26]actually what the fuck? fixed or not, you can not use this bug you're not supposed to be right? as a pro player how the fuck you can miss that? the only problem with it, riot should've taken an action when it's just used, in the middle of the match .. what if it was an unknown camera bug, as a pro player you must know that it's still not allowed cuz it's a damn bug and this time it was clearly known bug that giants penalized before .. what kind of fucking brain you guys have to not think about this, it's not about bug fixed or not .. it's just not allowed to use anyway damn ..
https://twitter.com/onurthegreat/status/1467079792285650945 not even in the rule book btw.
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#24]Yes I agree that it should have been paused then, but they didn't note it so the problem is partly on the refs and partly on Keyd.. Now as to the severity of the punishment that can be contested. I don't know if the punishment they chose is the best decision.
Perfect, I totally agree with a punishment, because the mistake was not just VK's, it was also the organization's.
I think the best solution would be to redo the third map between teams
MetusaSR [#28]this is stage 3, the chanpions book is not available? maybe it's not written the same way.
anyway, enlightened me a little
hakura [#29]how in earth would you think that a pro would purposefully use an EXPLOIT on the biggest tournament ever, knowing that it can be reviewed and they get pontetially DQ? use your brain pls.
how in earth would you think that a pro would not know that is an exploit, to see through the walls because of a texture bug, especially when there was a team that penalized before by the Riot's itself .. fuck the players, what kind of organizations do not know this happened before and penalized, and allow their player does it during the biggest tourney 6 damn round in a row .. Riot did a shit here, and the team thought yeah we can keep doing it, there is no other explanation when there is a damn coach watching whole shit .. btw, you're the one must use his brain my friend ..
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#8]And giants got punished a map for it too.
Well VK starting 0-1 against NV was fine
shyftnot [#30]https://twitter.com/onurthegreat/status/1467079792285650945 not even in the rule book btw.
Bo0mShell [#34]Well VK starting 0-1 against NV was fine
Giants were in a single elim bracket. It's not rational to give the same punishment in the same manner for a totally different situation. If they applied the same punishment to Giants as here, they would've been eliminated from VCT. Whereas VK still have the lower bracket to qualify through.
Now I still think rematch for Breeze is the optimum solution. But whether that can be arranged is another question altogether.
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#36]Giants were in a single elim bracket. It's not rational to give the same punishment in the same manner for a totally different situation. If they applied the same punishment to Giants as here, they would've been eliminated from VCT. Whereas VK still have the lower bracket to qualify through.
Now I still think rematch for Breeze is the optimum solution. But whether that can be arranged is another question altogether.
- they were the first one to use that exploit so I guess Riot's gave them the benefits of the doubt
Bo0mShell [#34]Well VK starting 0-1 against NV was fine
Why would you just give an advantage to Envy that has anything to do…. It was either this, nothing, or rematch, and I guess because of schedule it’s this
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