Am i the only one rooting for Sentinels ?
As far as i see nobody has Sen over liquid.
People already underestimating Sentinels ? Nice 🤓.
If this game happens it'll be the most watched matchup in champions.
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MrCrespito [#2]Thinking liquid is winning is not underestimating sentinels? But rn liquid looks better than sentinels, but anything can happen since both teams have a lot of big names
How do you know how Sentinels look tho?
I've got Sen over Liquid.
I think Liquid are strong, but imo there's a cloud of recency bias helping Liquid out here.
They are still a very fresh team and while Nivera has been performing very well, he has no Lan experience (even in cs) and is still very new to the game.
On the SEN side I actually like the addition of Rawkus, he can help Shazham with the anti-stratting while not affecting the team synergy.
Anything could happen, but I've got SEN favored to win the entire thing alongside Gambit.
MrCrespito [#2]Thinking liquid is winning is not underestimating sentinels? But rn liquid looks better than sentinels, but anything can happen since both teams have a lot of big names
You can't really say liquid looks better than SEN because we haven't seen sentinels play since LCQ, so it's a bit hard to call which is better than the other yet, although I do agree liquid looks very good.
MrCrespito [#2]Thinking liquid is winning is not underestimating sentinels? But rn liquid looks better than sentinels, but anything can happen since both teams have a lot of big names
I get that but u cant say liquid is looking better because we havent seen sen play after berlin. Also the berlin sentinels was not the real sen we all know, dapr and zombs had a bad tourney + they were getting antistratted too.
youngdagger [#6]I've got Sen over Liquid.
I think Liquid are strong, but imo there's a cloud of recency bias helping Liquid out here.
They are still a very fresh team and while Nivera has been performing very well, he has no Lan experience (even in cs) and is still very new to the game.
On the SEN side I actually like the addition of Rawkus, he can help Shazham with the anti-stratting while not affecting the team synergy.
Anything could happen, but I've got SEN favored to win the entire thing alongside Gambit.
My point exactly. Mostly Liquid over sen is pure recency bias.
Riizwan19xx [#14]I get that but u cant say liquid is looking better because we havent seen sen play after berlin. Also the berlin sentinels was not the real sen we all know, dapr and zombs had a bad tourney + they were getting antistratted too.
tell me this shit when sen get fcked by liquid tell me that dapr and zombs had a ba day
Riizwan19xx [#14]I get that but u cant say liquid is looking better because we havent seen sen play after berlin. Also the berlin sentinels was not the real sen we all know, dapr and zombs had a bad tourney + they were getting antistratted too.
just fck off pls with this bulshit excuses like stop fkin making some dog shit excuses and accepte the fact that sen got fcked by better teams and sen won iceland bc teams like were trash but now everyone is better and u will fkin deny other teams effort by saying that sen had a bad tourney just fck off pls
Riizwan19xx [#16]As a SEN/LIQUID fan, ik the games are going to be super close (hopefully) and 50/50. But ppl saying liquid is better than sen is recency bias.
its not bias its just facts and its alright if u cant accept the truth plat chat has TL #2 in champs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jd72r0CGPU (@2h and 40m) and almost evreyone has TL at #1 or #2 SEN has prove again that they are a top 2 top 1 team if they want to be considered a top 2 team or top 1
darksiders212 [#20]just fck off pls with this bulshit excuses like stop fkin making some dog shit excuses and accepte the fact that sen got fcked by better teams and sen won iceland bc teams like were trash but now everyone is better and u will fkin deny other teams effort by saying that sen had a bad tourney just fck off pls
I wasnt spitting excuses. At tht tournament envy and g2 were better. I accept that. But as a sen fan i know sentinels potential and its way above than what we saw at berlin.
zacklikethat123 [#11]You can't really say liquid looks better than SEN because we haven't seen sentinels play since LCQ, so it's a bit hard to call which is better than the other yet, although I do agree liquid looks very good.
they didn't play in LCQ? They haven't played since Berlin.
zacklikethat123 [#11]You can't really say liquid looks better than SEN because we haven't seen sentinels play since LCQ, so it's a bit hard to call which is better than the other yet, although I do agree liquid looks very good.
I'm talking based on both team last performance, that's also why I said that anything can happen since sentinels had like 2 month to solve their problems, I hope both teams reach champs at their best so we get a good match
MrCrespito [#26]I'm talking based on both team last performance, that's also why I said that anything can happen since sentinels had like 2 month to solve their problems, I hope both teams reach champs at their best so we get a good match
Yeah I know I am pretty braindead on this forum a lot with sentinels but I think a Liquid vs Sen matchup (hopefully) will be interesting, because lets face it in Berlin the only really close matches were the gambit vs 100t ones (maybe the 100t acend one too)
Honestly as a SEN fan I can see why so many are picking TL over SEN due to SEN's weak performance or underperformance in Masters Berlin, but I do think many are underestimating SEN. We saw their dominance in ICELAND and their dominance this year in NA so we shouldn't forget how much of a threat. Hopefully they bring it home. Open to hearing other people's thoughts!
sexyfuck [#5]I think Liquid had the same hype going into Iceland and they just choked. Not saying that it will happen again but its possible.
They didn't really choke, though. What people fail to understand is that V1 and Fnatic were masters of abusing that particular meta -- the KJ, Astra, Viper meta. Liquid was a step behind that, and actually right after iceland the meta died anyway somewhat...
Yes, Liquid should have beaten V1 anyway, but honestly it was just as much because they didn't really play a meta comp that truly destroyed them.
Anyway, that was back when Jamppi was feeding his opponents and they didn't have Nivera.
yungbasel [#9]There isn't a single NA vs EMEA matchup that is easy to call in champs. I'd give them allm 50/50 at best
c9 will destroy fnatic
zacklikethat123 [#32]c9 will destroy fnatic
idk about destroy, I think it’ll be closer than people think. Rooting for c9 tho
crazy_igel_fan [#33]idk about destroy, I think it’ll be closer than people think. Rooting for c9 tho
imo fnatic is the most undeserving team in champs, not the worst but compared to the other EMEA teams definitely the most undeserving
SenWinChampions [#37]SEN will be grinding hard to win this. Sorry Liquid fan, but hype stops when the two team face off
Bruh they're still in LA and they were playing Halo, it's possible they can win but they are definitely not grinding hard lol.
darksiders212 [#20]just fck off pls with this bulshit excuses like stop fkin making some dog shit excuses and accepte the fact that sen got fcked by better teams and sen won iceland bc teams like were trash but now everyone is better and u will fkin deny other teams effort by saying that sen had a bad tourney just fck off pls
You need to shut up and stop giving reasons. A win is a win regardless of whether the teams were good or not in Iceland. You guys called Liquid the no.1 team in the world when they qualified for Iceland. Then you guys suddenly downgrade Sentinels' Iceland win by giving BS reasons like "EU didn't send their best teams", "EU didn't adapt to the meta" etc. You call SEN fans the one giving excuses? Lol.
If winning was so easy then where were Liquid? Where were they during Masters 1? Where were they during Masters 3?
Imagine calling SEN bad just cause they lost one tourney. Qualifying for these tournaments is a big feat in itself and SEN has been in every freakin major tournament since the inception of Valorant. Give credit where credit is due and wait for the match before talking nonsense.
If SEN fans give excuses after losing to TL then you have the right to flame them. Incase of TL winning you can't actually call SEN bad because you guys have pipped them to be favs over SEN.
Netero [#38]Bruh they're still in LA and they were playing Halo, it's possible they can win but they are definitely not grinding hard lol.
Oh my God, Netero talking against SEN? What have I seen?
Blazieboy [#39]You need to shut up and stop giving reasons. A win is a win regardless of whether the teams were good or not in Iceland. You guys called Liquid the no.1 team in the world when they qualified for Iceland. Then you guys suddenly downgrade Sentinels' Iceland win by giving BS reasons like "EU didn't send their best teams", "EU didn't adapt to the meta" etc. You call SEN fans the one giving excuses? Lol.
If winning was so easy then where were Liquid? Where were they during Masters 1? Where were they during Masters 3?
Imagine calling SEN bad just cause they lost one tourney. Qualifying for these tournaments is a big feat in itself and SEN has been in every freakin major tournament since the inception of Valorant. Give credit where credit is due and wait for the match before talking nonsense.
If SEN fans give excuses after losing to TL then you have the right to flame them. Incase of TL winning you can't actually call SEN bad because you guys have pipped them to be favs over SEN.
wait wait moron before u start ur bullshit when did i told u dont fkin put me with people that said eu didnt send there best teams or liquid was n1 im a liquid fan but i knew that they can win iceland or lose bc of other teams and the only thing i wanted in that master is liquid vs sen but it didnt happened and after they lost against fnatic i didnt start giving exuces i said that fnatic was the better and conscient team that time and thats it and ur blamming where liquid was in berlin they lost against the champions themselves and who sen lost against??? fkin 4 emea seed that time. one more thing when did i told u that sen is bad ??? just by saying that they will lose against liquid means that sen is bad????? look at ur self ur a fkin sen fan thats why u are cheering for them same thing with me i respect the other teams but i want liquid to win thats
Arisqq [#22]its not bias its just facts and its alright if u cant accept the truth plat chat has TL #2 in champs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jd72r0CGPU (@2h and 40m) and almost evreyone has TL at #1 or #2 SEN has prove again that they are a top 2 top 1 team if they want to be considered a top 2 team or top 1
there's nothing factual about a bunch of opinions that agree with each other. Just because it's consensus doesn't mean it's fact.
darksiders212 [#20]just fck off pls with this bulshit excuses like stop fkin making some dog shit excuses and accepte the fact that sen got fcked by better teams and sen won iceland bc teams like were trash but now everyone is better and u will fkin deny other teams effort by saying that sen had a bad tourney just fck off pls
Bruh calm ur mad for no reason
darksiders212 [#44]wait wait moron before u start ur bullshit when did i told u dont fkin put me with people that said eu didnt send there best teams or liquid was n1 im a liquid fan but i knew that they can win iceland or lose bc of other teams and the only thing i wanted in that master is liquid vs sen but it didnt happened and after they lost against fnatic i didnt start giving exuces i said that fnatic was the better and conscient team that time and thats it and ur blamming where liquid was in berlin they lost against the champions themselves and who sen lost against??? fkin 4 emea seed that time. one more thing when did i told u that sen is bad ??? just by saying that they will lose against liquid means that sen is bad????? look at ur self ur a fkin sen fan thats why u are cheering for them same thing with me i respect the other teams but i want liquid to win thats
You don't need to argue with me, your post above states that all the teams in Iceland were trash.
Riizwan19xx [#15]My point exactly. Mostly Liquid over sen is pure recency bias.
yes but at the same time Liquid isnt just looking kinda good, theyre looking REALLY good
sexyfuck [#4]How do you know how Sentinels look tho?
Liquid have had the better recent results, granted that's because SEN haven't really played in anything, but the point still stands
zacklikethat123 [#34]imo fnatic is the most undeserving team in champs, not the worst but compared to the other EMEA teams definitely the most undeserving
Its true guild and g2 is far better than fnatic. Gambit carried fnatic to champions.
Blazieboy [#39]You need to shut up and stop giving reasons. A win is a win regardless of whether the teams were good or not in Iceland. You guys called Liquid the no.1 team in the world when they qualified for Iceland. Then you guys suddenly downgrade Sentinels' Iceland win by giving BS reasons like "EU didn't send their best teams", "EU didn't adapt to the meta" etc. You call SEN fans the one giving excuses? Lol.
If winning was so easy then where were Liquid? Where were they during Masters 1? Where were they during Masters 3?
Imagine calling SEN bad just cause they lost one tourney. Qualifying for these tournaments is a big feat in itself and SEN has been in every freakin major tournament since the inception of Valorant. Give credit where credit is due and wait for the match before talking nonsense.
If SEN fans give excuses after losing to TL then you have the right to flame them. Incase of TL winning you can't actually call SEN bad because you guys have pipped them to be favs over SEN.
I never understood the "Best EMEA teams didnt make it " excuse
cuz At the time
FNATIC and Liquid were clearly the best at THAT time cuz they beat everyone there , just cuz sen won theyre making iceland look irrelevant , fucking douchebags
plas [#48]yes but at the same time Liquid isnt just looking kinda good, theyre looking REALLY good
plas i know u hate sentinels blah blah blah , but one request , this is the only thing i ask for u
i know u hate sentinels in regional matchups , but if u could , can support them in champs as theyre a part of NA
ShadowisBAD [#52]i chose SEN over liquid , every time i picked an underestimated NA team over an EU team that team wins,
Eg : V1 vs Liquid
Eg : 100T vsGMB
100T ACE
Wht about envy vs gmb ? 🌚
MilanTheMyth [#24]wdym? Rooting for Liquid is underestimating Sentinels?
no , theyre not considering liquid fans cuz ofc u guys will root for them , but the others , even NA fans telling liquid will beat sen , thats why
Riizwan19xx [#55]Wht about envy vs gmb ? 🌚
I didnt choose envy over GMB lol , and my pickems got fucked by VS and SEN
Riizwan19xx [#55]Wht about envy vs gmb ? 🌚
i said before itself , if envy beats 100t and gambit beats g2 , gambit wins berlin
ShadowisBAD [#59]i said before itself , if envy beats 100t and gambit beats g2 , gambit wins berlin
Imo 100t va gmb would have been better finals.
Envy choked hard in finals.
youngdagger [#6]I've got Sen over Liquid.
I think Liquid are strong, but imo there's a cloud of recency bias helping Liquid out here.
They are still a very fresh team and while Nivera has been performing very well, he has no Lan experience (even in cs) and is still very new to the game.
On the SEN side I actually like the addition of Rawkus, he can help Shazham with the anti-stratting while not affecting the team synergy.
Anything could happen, but I've got SEN favored to win the entire thing alongside Gambit.
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Riizwan19xx [#64]Fk the bandawagoners !! Lets go SEN ⚡️💪🏻
bandwagoners make us look bad tbh , the bandwagoners are the delusional toxic ones , and tenz fanboys too
ShadowisBAD [#53]I never understood the "Best EMEA teams didnt make it " excuse
cuz At the time
FNATIC and Liquid were clearly the best at THAT time cuz they beat everyone there , just cuz sen won theyre making iceland look irrelevant , fucking douchebags
No they werent, the format was designed to bring flukers to the masters 1. Sen wouldnt even have made it to iceland if they had single elimo bracket like eu for masters 1 qualifiers
A_Silent_Fart [#67]No they werent, the format was designed to bring flukers to the masters 1. Sen wouldnt even have made it to iceland if they had single elimo bracket like eu for masters 1 qualifiers
excuses excuses , how are u sure they wouldnt have made it , do u have a time machine where u go to riots headquarters to change it , and ur still in denial that sen won iceland , just shut up , even i accepted gambit is the best RN , stop crying
pokedyo [#65]both social media managers need to start some banter to add hype
SEN already did it to furia and Furia did it to SEN
ShadowisBAD [#68]excuses excuses , how are u sure they wouldnt have made it , do u have a time machine where u go to riots headquarters to change it , and ur still in denial that sen won iceland , just shut up , even i accepted gambit is the best RN , stop crying
- stop watching too much serial saying smtng like excuse 3-4 times
- after bbg knocked out sen then they are out of contention for masters 1 (if it was single elimo)
- therfore if eu had double elimination like na then NA aka no acheivements would be true all along like every esport
ShadowisBAD [#68]excuses excuses , how are u sure they wouldnt have made it , do u have a time machine where u go to riots headquarters to change it , and ur still in denial that sen won iceland , just shut up , even i accepted gambit is the best RN , stop crying
and also why do you take this as some sort of an attack?? i just answered ur ques that why u never understood the best emea teams thingy
A_Silent_Fart [#71]and also why do you take this as some sort of an attack?? i just answered ur ques that why u never understood the best emea teams thingy
after bbg knocked out sen then they are out of contention for masters 1.
and how are u so sure about this , SEN wouldve prob played different if that was their last chance , but they got caught off guard , the whole outcome wouldve been different , u cant just change stuff and assume it will go this way or that way , by that i can also be heavy on copium and say "If Bren made it , sen couldve won berlin cuz they wouldnt have to play 2 more B03s and they couldve pracced more for playoffs and had more time " . Like this , how are u soo sure SEN wouldnt have made it if the format is diff , its stupid
ShadowisBAD [#53]I never understood the "Best EMEA teams didnt make it " excuse
cuz At the time
FNATIC and Liquid were clearly the best at THAT time cuz they beat everyone there , just cuz sen won theyre making iceland look irrelevant , fucking douchebags
Iceland wasn't irrelevant
FNATIC barely beat Gambit, so they qualify
Liquid demolished Oxygen
At this time it looked like Liquid was the best in EMEA (due to recent form)
Liquid could've been in Berlin, but this time Gambit beat them barely
The Best EMEA team is currently Gambit due to their consistent form
SnowiFIN [#74]Iceland wasn't irrelevant
FNATIC barely beat Gambit, so they qualify
Liquid demolished Oxygen
At this time it looked like Liquid was the best in EMEA (due to recent form)
Liquid could've been in Berlin, but this time Gambit beat them barely
The Best EMEA team is currently Gambit due to their consistent form
Bro Barely beat this , but they won know, Liquid and FNC were HEAVY favourites coming into iceland , And NA was heavily underestimated
SnowiFIN [#74]Iceland wasn't irrelevant
FNATIC barely beat Gambit, so they qualify
Liquid demolished Oxygen
At this time it looked like Liquid was the best in EMEA (due to recent form)
Liquid could've been in Berlin, but this time Gambit beat them barely
The Best EMEA team is currently Gambit due to their consistent form
13-6 , 13-11 , second map was close ok , but not barely and all , why dont u guys accept that they were the best teamsat that time , anyways u guys are favourites and on top rn
ShadowisBAD [#72]after bbg knocked out sen then they are out of contention for masters 1.
and how are u so sure about this , SEN wouldve prob played different if that was their last chance , but they got caught off guard , the whole outcome wouldve been different , u cant just change stuff and assume it will go this way or that way , by that i can also be heavy on copium and say "If Bren made it , sen couldve won berlin cuz they wouldnt have to play 2 more B03s and they couldve pracced more for playoffs and had more time " . Like this , how are u soo sure SEN wouldnt have made it if the format is diff , its stupid
- im sure they would lost bcoz at that time tenz was new to sen and threw the game to bbg by overpeeking and what not. so it was on tenz and not the team if they had to win the match.
- so whatever the team prepared was irrelevant as its on 1 guy.
- same thing was with rise but it turned out they too were flukers and the double elimo format did its justice.
- think with an open mind to get my point and no need to be a sheep saying genric things everywhere to every situation
SnowiFIN [#74]Iceland wasn't irrelevant
FNATIC barely beat Gambit, so they qualify
Liquid demolished Oxygen
At this time it looked like Liquid was the best in EMEA (due to recent form)
Liquid could've been in Berlin, but this time Gambit beat them barely
The Best EMEA team is currently Gambit due to their consistent form
iceland was a micky mouse tourney, and shaz too said "idk if the best teams even made it to iceland"
ShadowisBAD [#54]plas i know u hate sentinels blah blah blah , but one request , this is the only thing i ask for u
i know u hate sentinels in regional matchups , but if u could , can support them in champs as theyre a part of NA
i will if c9 loses :)
ShadowisBAD [#76]13-6 , 13-11 , second map was close ok , but not barely and all , why dont u guys accept that they were the best teamsat that time , anyways u guys are favourites and on top rn
I am not saying Liquid and FNATIC weren't the best teams
Just said that anybody at Iceland time between Gambit, Fnatic or Liquid could be the best
But for champions it's Liquid and Gambit
EMEA and NA has sent the best teams possible
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