Why do people discredit Rise so much?

Genuine question. I always see C9 choked, never Rise clutched...

idk if this was posted before, my bad if it was

Not looking for rise support, but an actual answer to my question.

pretty simple. org name and players, its easier to recognize c9 failed than rise was cracked but people are starting to notice

Even the analyst desk throwing shade at Rise before the match resumed today. Probably because they are relatively new to the NA T1 scene. Honestly, not even sure they are T1 yet.

Cloud9 debatably isn't T1 but they are a much bigger org (LoL, CS:GO, etc.)

Bruh rise has been showing up for a while idk how or why a lot of ppl haven't realized it yet

I do like rise but I just don't like shanks in general ( I respect his grind tho).

Roguearz [#5]

I do like rise but I just don't like shanks in general ( I respect his grind tho).

lol shanks do be annoying, but i respect his confidence. he talks a lot of shit, but Rise is winning their matches. With how things are going, my original prediction of XSET and C9 running through these teams is completely wrong.