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#37
Juuberi
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what has he done?

#45
alienista1
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He broke the kill record in a Bo3.

Had insane performances at Champions 24.

Has been the best duelist in the Americas this year.

I doubt there are five players with better achievements in the same time frame. Saying those aren't notable accomplishments is just pure madness.

#46
Karbonat_Erol
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Nobody will remember any of those „accomplishments“ in 3years :)

#54
alienista1
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So what? An achievement doesn’t need to be remembered for three years to be considered 'notable'. If we follow that logic, only five players would have 'notable' accomplishments each year.

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Ok now think for a sec… who will be remembered? Correct International winners and outstanding players winning these internationals! Like Demon1 Champs or FNC Lock In comeback, did Aspas achieve anything like this? Did he win a Masters or Champs this year? No, tell me, who was the best player from the 4th place team in champs 2022? ;)

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Where are you even going with this? The point isn’t if Aspas will be remembered in 10 years (he definitely will), it’s whether he’s done anything noteworthy lately. And honestly, you sound like you don’t even get what 'notable' means.

About your last question, I think it was Ardiis. That clutch vs DRX was insane.

#65
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Ofc he will be remembered, but I said that nobody will remember him for the achievements u mentioned from that year, like u said „insane performances in Champs 24“, nobody cares if he hasn’t won ;( he has done barely anything that year and Leo has always impact even when he was ill and couldn’t even open his god damn mouth, he carried his team with the worst coach to an international, to End this, Aspas is good, had good years but Leo is untouchable and nothing will prove me otherwise ^_^ >.<

#75
eLxR
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true

#78
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And didn't Aspas carry his team to two international events? I'm actually pretty sure Aspas had better performances, both internationally and regionally. I'm not downplaying Leo, he had a good 2024 and his 2023 was one of the best individual years we've seen from any player. But saying his 2024 was better than Aspas's is more than just crazy, it's straight up ignoring reality.

'Leo has always impact even when he was ill and couldn’t even open his god damn mouth, he carried his team with the worst coach to an international'
You know no one’s gonna remember this in three years, right? Lol

#83
Karbonat_Erol
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He carried his team bcs the sole purpose was to enable him, Tex and King throwing themselves on site so Aspas can take the nice duels ^.^ and they still placed 4th and ofc nobody will remember FNC champs run >_< why should they? They have won 2 internationals and are the first team to win them Back to back with Chron being the first one to win them on 2 separate teams v.v Leo achieved more than Aspas and is (w Persia) the best Player who has touched Val ;3

#84
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Arguing with you is insane.

One moment you're saying Leo was better than Aspas in 2024, then you're talking about how Leo's achievements make him the Valorant GOAT, then you're saying Aspas’s accomplishments are irrelevant, that he's a baiter, and no one will remember them in three years.

Man, I don't give a damn about Leo's two international events in 2023, that doesn't make his 2024 better than Aspas's.

The discussion was never about whether Leo is the GOAT or not. You think Leo is the GOAT, I don’t. Honestly, that never bothered me.

The only thing that bothers me is you thinking Leo had a better 2024 than Aspas and downplaying what Aspas achieved this year.

This is probably my last post, otherwise this debate is gonna go on forever."

#47
jawn
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b2b americas champion and mvp, b2b top 4 in champs, multiple records set statistically

all on 2 different rosters

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