GC isn’t ready yet.

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ParisVLR

I am sorry to say this but GC players aren’t ready for T1. I made a thread about this awhile back, but with all the good talent there is in the market why would teams go look at GC players.

And besides that I don’t think NA GC is that good. Sorry NA

You have the team that won the GC championship and they are getting 0-2 by randoms.

Until the players become as good as T1 pros you won’t see them on any franchised teams.

Don’t call me sexsist or I take part in transphobia. Because it’s just the truth nobody wants to say so.

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grass is green
apart from a few the rest are shit

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ParisVLR

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https://www.vlr.gg/post/4153546/eg-flor

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fuck english

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gc never meant for T1, gc is for those extra that can't compete in T2

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EG GC roster got 13-1d in ranked by a 5 stack of random low mid immortals.

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Don't doubt it at all but can I see some proof

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Itsover

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Join VCC discord and dig through messages in NA chat, it was like 6-7 months ago aint doing allat

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Itsover

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OK I found it
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034482151397281914/1179161825431015424/IMG_4469.jpg?ex=66f67146&is=66f51fc6&hm=de5633d23b637a52060e67baa2376b206fc8c7e4448ae927541ad343bfcd3964&=&format=webp

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are u sure this is an imm mmr? if its the beginning of the act high imm/low radiants might have low rank

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Itsover

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im 100% sure it is immo mmr bc i know these guys and none of them has touched rad except seji.

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The problem is that youre judging entire teams while discussion is about individuals. GC teams are not good in the grand scheme and nobody is gonna tell you otherwise. Most of the GC players have less experience, are supported less by their orgs and dont have any of the framework around them that T1 teams do. If someone like florescent doesnt succeed with a team like SR, that doesnt mean she couldnt do it on another roster. Theres plenty of great T2 talent that was stuck on very mediocre teams.

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ParisVLR

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Fluorescent shouldn’t be in GC at all. That’s all I am going to say.

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Should probably clarify if thats just transphobia

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ParisVLR

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Way ahead of the competion. It doesn’t even look far sometimes. GC players aren’t as advanced yet it’s like putting a high school football player against elementary kids.

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Yuniee44

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I mean I guess so? The thing is, I think she should be playing t2 minimum and would probably be good, but iirc there is a decent amount of teams that just straight refuse playing with/trialing female players. If shes allowed to play and hasnt found any better opportunities its fair game. Besides excluding players of playing too good is just a tough line to cross. At what point do we just ban the entire G2 gozen roster from playing or sumn

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There's tier 1 talent stuck on mediocre teams like nAts or sheydos too, if you have 3-4 horrible bots on ur team you won't perform no matter how good you are since 1v5ing on a regular basis is just impossible in pro play.

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Ok by your logic, just because an iron doesn't win games with a group of irons doesn't mean they wouldn't do well with a group of radiants hard carrying them.

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Yuniee44

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That might be the dumbest thing Ive ever read. All i said is to judge individuals because good players can still fail in bad systems (also fluorescent is clearly outperforming everyone else on her team???) Do you think riens is getting carried by the rest of heretics because S2G did poor in T2? Surely he must just be a silver in disguise

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bobwoblob

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Ok a bronze can clearly outperform everyone on a team of irons. That doesn't mean they're ready for radiant though lmao.

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What is blud waffling

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bobwoblob

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Just because Flor farms T4 GC players and is better than her T4 GC teammates doesn't mean she should be in T1.

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GC isn't good flor is

even in those 0-2s u mentioned she was near MVP (now don't give me 1 link to prove ur point dat she bot Fragged, coz there would be 10 more where she performed against d same type of randoms)

Her skillset is much ABV GC but prolly mid for T1 and when MiBR IS going for such a RANDOM PPL she definitely deserves a chance

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bobwoblob

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"mid for T1"

Jesus christ people are delusional. All it takes is hard farming a bunch of T4 gc players to make people believe you could be in T1 lmao.

She definitely doesn't deserve a chance. MIBR are trialing T2 PLAYERS because there's a wealth of talent in T2 NA/BR/LATAM to pull from. They're not going to waste their time trialing every random T3/T4 player available.

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It's kinda insane how there's rarely ever a grounded take around this.Top 4-5 GC teams have just barely started making any sort of moves in VCL qualifiers (looking at TL BR, MIBR, G2G). Until a GC team makes it in VCL, there shouldn't be a T1 debate. And if a GC player stands out in T2, only then should it begin.

And if a GC player thinks they can do better outside of GC, they should take the risk and leave the sphere. Being in a "power of friendship" team only gets u so far outside of GC.

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teams are bad, players are good, will probably be a while until we see a gc player in t1 but i think itll happen

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IHaveAnswers

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I wish good players in GC would play and grind T2 instead of just farming stats in GC, but I kind of understand their way since GC pays more and T2 is just shit in terms of stability

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remember? when G2 gozen got 13-0ed by Team Heretics

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I mean, there is a reason 3/5 of that roster is gone.

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bobwoblob

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This shouldn't even need to be a post. This is obvious to anyone with more than 2 braincells but there has to be like 200 threads about why x gc player should be in T1.

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gamechangers is not even prepared for t2, taking into account that no gamechangers team has ever qualified for a challengers

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top gc team vs bottom tier franchised team

https://www.vlr.gg/279603/team-heretics-vs-g2-gozen-red-bull-home-ground-4-emea-qualifier-round-robin

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Also had me there 5/8

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flor deserves a shot at tier 2
give it 1 or 2 years and then we’ll see if she is tier 1 ready

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"Nobody wants to say so"
Who is "nobody"? You're acting everyone is saying the entire of GC is as good as tier 1.
"Florescent shouldn't be in GC but don't call me transphobic". Do you even know what transphobia is? Someone pointed out a GC player being good and you said "oh that person doesn't belong there" anyways. You spelled sexist as "sexsist" and followed that up with "I'm just speaking the truth everyone else is afraid of talking about" I'm crying T.T

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They'll never be ready. It's the hard biological gap between men and women.

https://bo3.gg/valorant/news/team-liquid-brazil-close-to-becoming-the-first-female-team-in-valorant-challengers-league
https://bo3.gg/valorant/news/team-liquid-brazil-did-not-make-history-and-was-eliminated-from-the-open-qualifiers-for-vcl-brazil-2024

There's also that infamous G2 Gozen x Team Heretics 0-13, if you are not convinced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KQ3lnMOulw&t=15811s

Lots of people afraid of being accused of misogyny and skirt around the issue by saying women haven't had time to practice or pro teams not trialling women. Bro, nobody is barring women from playing in pro tournaments if they can quailify, they're mixed-sex by default, just like traditional sport tournaments. The fact that women routinely get beat by T3 teams and 13-0 by T1 teams no matter how hard they try just prove that there is an innate gap in ability between males vs. females.

People think that physical strength doesn't matter in e-sports, but there is a huge physical aspect to it: hand-eye coordination speed. It is undeniable that males outperform females in this regard. Which is understandable from an evolutionary point of view, seeing as men had to engage in far more physically demanding and dangerous tasks like hunting, which made them develop their reaction ablility better than women.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-68069-0

It is no doubt then that women are hard-gapped by men when it comes to e-sport just like any other sport. And this will never change.