so yoman is an great IGL he almost defeated SPG by getting 4 diff players on board ....yoman with yesican this can be a dangerous duo that can make GE perform good at big stage
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SHOULD GE TRY YOMAN AS IGL??
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dashhhh [#4]Yoman
Yesican
Xross
Xan
Techno
No hate to but genuinely asking seeing alot of hype around techno but maybe i have not been following vcsa exactly but never heard much about him whats the hype about??
Invic_Deep [#7]Trials in singapore server, coach who came from sg/Malaysia T2 - by common sense which sub-region players are going to perform well in trials and get selected?
Bro there are some other factors too
Not only coach but others people of management and panel too are observing
Not1 [#9]Bro there are some other factors too
Not only coach but others people of management and panel too are observing
It doesn't really matter coach has veto plus ping difference is why Xan dropped 39 in trials and Tixx played worse than Helliff.
Unfortunately people don't realise it and end up rejecting better players in trial
kamisavitar [#12]Obv super gr8,
YESicaN as 2nd caller, super good team even in terms of calling
hes noicant in English so nope just let him frag
Invic_Deep [#10]It doesn't really matter coach has veto plus ping difference is why Xan dropped 39 in trials and Tixx played worse than Helliff.
Unfortunately people don't realise it and end up rejecting better players in trial
Bruh they are considering ping disadvantage too
Also biggest issue with sg plyrs is the military service
The management clearly mentioned it as issue because of which they avoid sg plyrs
tofubun [#13]hes noicant in English so nope just let him frag
A vn guy said he can speak eng well now
Neerajshahahah [#6]No hate to but genuinely asking seeing alot of hype around techno but maybe i have not been following vcsa exactly but never heard much about him whats the hype about??
He is young+good mechanics
K4ziuHa [#11]80% sure stax doesnt igl on t1
80% sure he does lol
who else would uphoist the role?
edit: worded badly, should've said would instead of does
Dreoxx [#19]80% sure he does lol
who else would uphoist the role?edit: worded badly, should've said would instead of does
Isn't it still xaccurate? Personally I think xaccurate should be removed from the team, and be replaced with someone who has expeience in IGL as he doesn't really know what he does, shown if you watch his plays and calls properly.
Dreoxx [#19]80% sure he does lol
who else would uphoist the role?edit: worded badly, should've said would instead of does
stax got dropped from drx cuz he didn't want to igl, i doubt he's igling on t1
lee_theKorean [#20]Isn't it still xaccurate? Personally I think xaccurate should be removed from the team, and be replaced with someone who has expeience in IGL as he doesn't really know what he does, shown if you watch his plays and calls properly.
i see i got misinterpreted.
I already saw t1 100% removing xcc since they wanna go all KR roster, so its been circulated for a while that stax would IGL instead, even though stax has left DRX for the very purpose
nobody___100 [#21]stax got dropped from drx cuz he didn't want to igl, i doubt he's igling on t1
refer to #22
Dreoxx [#22]i see i got misinterpreted.
I already saw t1 100% removing xcc since they wanna go all KR roster, so its been circulated for a while that stax would IGL instead, even though stax has left DRX for the very purpose
Didnt stax get dropped cus of differences in the team, like he wasnt preforming well and they wanted new newer players like flashback but due to role issues they changed a few things and removed him?
Invic_Deep [#10]It doesn't really matter coach has veto plus ping difference is why Xan dropped 39 in trials and Tixx played worse than Helliff.
Unfortunately people don't realise it and end up rejecting better players in trial
Hard to do worse than Hellf if I didn’t trial Lol
Dreoxx [#19]80% sure he does lol
who else would uphoist the role?edit: worded badly, should've said would instead of does
he literally doesnt im pretty sure he never wanted to be an igl in the first place he has always been a huge player mechanicallly and the only thing holding him back was igling
lee_theKorean [#24]Didnt stax get dropped cus of differences in the team, like he wasnt preforming well and they wanted new newer players like flashback but due to role issues they changed a few things and removed him?
this is true; however, stax did express his burnout for igling since he didn't perform to the best of his abilities and this conflict was the conflict you just explain by saying, "differences in the team"
koromast [#30]he literally doesnt im pretty sure he never wanted to be an igl in the first place he has always been a huge player mechanicallly and the only thing holding him back was igling
yup, its kinda sad to see his mechs go to waste since APAC as a region is understaffed in terms of IGLs :(
Dreoxx [#33]yup, its kinda sad to see his mechs go to waste since APAC as a region is understaffed in terms of IGLs :(
he wont tho t1 could get joxjo or yoman to igl him and thats fine
koromast [#34]he wont tho t1 could get joxjo or yoman to igl him and thats fine
i really don't think joxjo is cut out for t1...
yoman is a maybe? it really depends
Dreoxx [#35]i really don't think joxjo is cut out for t1...
yoman is a maybe? it really depends
joxjo isnt? he beated fennel with 3 rookies and seoldam who looked washed af before joining riddle, he beated prime zeta with northeption roster which wasnt even anything special besides meteor and beated xerxia which in those moments were apac seed 2 after paper rex by a big gap even tho team secret bleed and other rosters which are currently on franchising werent even close to that xerxia team
koromast [#36]joxjo isnt? he beated fennel with 3 rookies and seoldam who looked washed af before joining riddle, he beated prime zeta with northeption roster which wasnt even anything special besides meteor and beated xerxia which in those moments were apac seed 2 after paper rex by a big gap even tho team secret bleed and other rosters which are currently on franchising werent even close to that xerxia team
yeah, its not a popular take, but I feel like there was a reason to why he wasn't chosen (albeit being rumored) for tier 1 competition over his competitors in the past.
if you compare him to any KR tier 1 team, he's underwhelming. maybe viable in JP tier 1?
also I don't want to be rude but it's kind of hard to understand your paragraph because I don't know when your sentences are starting and ending, I get that English might not be your primary/comfortable language.
could you please separate your points? NTH were good by all means, but I don't think they had any standout wins to prove joxjo's place in tier 1. nth's win over xia doesn't really mean much, especially since xia placed last in Copenhagen and generally looked really bad 😭 them beating "prime" zeta wasn't really prime, since zeta never really came back to that standard after their cinderlla run (3rd in M1), they were already in their downfall iirc (not to mention that TENNN had an usually off-game with -24 in four maps). also nth got demolished and outcalled heavily by actual contenders in M2 Copenhagen including FPX (joxjo was good mechanically, just that his calls didn't work and they ended up getting 2-0d pretty fast) and DRX especially (nth got 2-0d fast, including a 1-13 game where he went 2/13/3 and had poor calling).
its also important to mention that joxjo definitely got better, but using examples of his past accolades wouldn't help too much. i would actually argue that his form right now justifies your point better; he's been fragging and igling, but not calling to the extent of t1 igls. if you were to disregard his calling and instead just force him to play mechanically and delegate his IGL role to another player, there would be a whole list of KR and even JP talent that would be prioritized by the VCT franchised teams first. thus, its valid to say that joxjo is valuable because he can frag and igl, but his igling isn't top-tier, and if you take away his igling, his fragging abilities are also not significant compared to other upcoming talent, even when considering other recon initiator players in APAC.
Dreoxx [#37]yeah, its not a popular take, but I feel like there was a reason to why he wasn't chosen (albeit being rumored) for tier 1 competition over his competitors in the past.
if you compare him to any KR tier 1 team, he's underwhelming. maybe viable in JP tier 1?
also I don't want to be rude but it's kind of hard to understand your paragraph because I don't know when your sentences are starting and ending, I get that English might not be your primary/comfortable language.
could you please separate your points? NTH were good by all means, but I don't think they had any standout wins to prove joxjo's place in tier 1. nth's win over xia doesn't really mean much, especially since xia placed last in Copenhagen and generally looked really bad 😭 them beating "prime" zeta wasn't really prime, since zeta never really came back to that standard after their cinderlla run (3rd in M1), they were already in their downfall iirc (not to mention that TENNN had an usually off-game with -24 in four maps). also nth got demolished and outcalled heavily by actual contenders in M2 Copenhagen including FPX (joxjo was good mechanically, just that his calls didn't work and they ended up getting 2-0d pretty fast) and DRX especially (nth got 2-0d fast, including a 1-13 game where he went 2/13/3 and had poor calling).
its also important to mention that joxjo definitely got better, but using examples of his past accolades wouldn't help too much. i would actually argue that his form right now justifies your point better; he's been fragging and igling, but not calling to the extent of t1 igls. if you were to disregard his calling and instead just force him to play mechanically and delegate his IGL role to another player, there would be a whole list of KR and even JP talent that would be prioritized by the VCT franchised teams first. thus, its valid to say that joxjo is valuable because he can frag and igl, but his igling isn't top-tier, and if you take away his igling, his fragging abilities are also not significant compared to other upcoming talent, even when considering other recon initiator players in APAC.
but what you base to say he isnt a tier 1 ready igl? he wins most local shit with mid teams (yeah i really mean it he has never won a event while having a super team) he also has a lot of experience while calling on both english and korean. As you said he can frag and igl but thats not the only relevant thing, his agent pull is big so he would work on any team and you cant really call him below teir 1 level because he has beated tier 1 igls before with slightly worse teams.
The point of xeta and xerxia wasnt that xerxia and zeta are top teams itw, the point is that they had proven igls and better teams individually so the only reason you can pull up a win like that is if your igl is really good and joxjo has always been a good caller in my books, a unproven kr igl with 2 or 3 super talents and other above average players on their teams doesnt surprise me as much as joxjo´s merits (btw yoman is still better than joxjo imo i was not referring to him but in terms of pacific igls in general he should be on tier 1 at this point)
dashhhh [#18]He is young+good mechanics
This might sound like a joke, but deathmaker is 100x better than techno
SOURVLRT [#39]This might sound like a joke, but deathmaker is 100x better than techno
lol DM gets diffed if he played against him
koromast [#38]but what you base to say he isnt a tier 1 ready igl? he wins most local shit with mid teams (yeah i really mean it he has never won a event while having a super team) he also has a lot of experience while calling on both english and korean. As you said he can frag and igl but thats not the only relevant thing, his agent pull is big so he would work on any team and you cant really call him below teir 1 level because he has beated tier 1 igls before with slightly worse teams.
The point of xeta and xerxia wasnt that xerxia and zeta are top teams itw, the point is that they had proven igls and better teams individually so the only reason you can pull up a win like that is if your igl is really good and joxjo has always been a good caller in my books, a unproven kr igl with 2 or 3 super talents and other above average players on their teams doesnt surprise me as much as joxjo´s merits (btw yoman is still better than joxjo imo i was not referring to him but in terms of pacific igls in general he should be on tier 1 at this point)
im not going to lie, i also think vlr overrated yoman just a bit. i also think yoman could play in tier 1, but I think his time at RA hyped a lot of people up.
i already listed my "base" in his igl and frag abilities. and yes, I think I can still refer to him as below a tier 1 igl. for example, just because XIA beat OPTC in M1 Reykjavik 2022 doesn't mean that Crws > FNS, and that Crws is an elite IGL within t1. I'm using XIA as an example to show that NTH beating XIA with a worse team frankly just doesn't equate to JoXJo being a better IGL than Surf, for example, who has fostered the Thai scene and the best roster through the inception of VALORANT history (X10C, XIA, TLN) and led them to many internationals. Keep in mind that even if NTH had an underwhelming roster, they still had bail (C) and Meteor. This is not mid by any metric, even when meteor wasn't playing at his peak.
Yes, his agent pool is "big," but this doesn't mean that he's good at them, or has played them enough. I don't think his agent pool is good, since 40% of his games played all-time is breach, and around 75% being the typical initiator player's agents (breach, kayo, skye, fade). This is not a good sign of flexibility. Refer to true flexes like Rb, Victor, or f0rsakeN (all three have spent a considerable time on initiator, although Victor's case is unique since crashies was their main initiator). What these three have in common define what composes of a player that demonstrates GOOD flexibility: consistency (most of their agents are positive in rating and above average in KAST%), impact (you can visually see their impact within rosters that allows others to play comfort picks (e.g. Jinggg able to play OTP raze while f0rsakeN and d4v41 covers the agent pool), and variety (different roles can be played with average or above average proficiency). Therefore, I can't agree with you saying that his agent pool is qualified.
also in what way did I say that "xerxia and zeta are top teams itw?" in fact I implied the opposite!
however, I will respect JoXJo for being fluent in Korean, and being able to communicate in JP/EN. codeswitching is HARD, and that's a merit that I will give him all the credit for.
RAOSHAB [#42]Does GE learn anything from 2023 … none of the player has common 1st lang.
Edit . talking about yoman, yesican, techno, xan
who told u that this is the final team??
and yeah all are good in english now afaik
RAOSHAB [#42]Does GE learn anything from 2023 … none of the player has common 1st lang.
Edit . talking about yoman, yesican, techno, xan
techno and Xan are good with english
tixx [#26]Hard to do worse than Hellf if I didn’t trial Lol
Mb brother that's what everyone has been reporting and even you tweeted that 100 ping trials are hard something like that. I am sorry for the misinformation.
RAOSHAB [#42]Does GE learn anything from 2023 … none of the player has common 1st lang.
Edit . talking about yoman, yesican, techno, xan
yoman igled rare atom top 2 in china at some point and he was using english the whole time
SOURVLRT [#39]This might sound like a joke, but deathmaker is 100x better than techno
Bro is living in 2021
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