This is literally the second international tournament, i feel like it is too soon for people to be saying EU Need a "super team" and NA is "miles above EU". I know i troll a lot but this tournament isnt even over yet, for all we know SEN could draw Gambit in the first round of the playoffs and get knocked out. VS could be the greatest team ever for all we know, just wait till after the tourney ends till you start trashing EU.
I know this wont change anything but wanted to say it anyway.
thanatos111 [#4]I’m on that copium rn, EU are better than NA but Vision Strikers are just miles above the rest of the competition
EU is failing to win against NA yet you're saying they're better.
What is your logic for that argument
SamTheGreat47 [#6]EU is failing to win against NA yet you're saying they're better.
What is your logic for that argument
Gambit was an unlucky choke, G2 are worse than liquid
I guess BBG over sentinels because sentinels choked?
thanatos111 [#7]Gambit was an unlucky choke, G2 are worse than liquid
I guess BBG over sentinels because sentinels choked?
Thats like saying scores from about the start of the year matter now, thats like saying liquid and fanatic over ascend and gambit because they made it to iceland and came fourth and second. Past results dont matter, and current results are showing that the emea team that DID make it to Berlin, are not showing up
Excaliburn [#8]Thats like saying scores from about the start of the year matter now, thats like saying liquid and fanatic over ascend and gambit because they made it to iceland and came fourth and second. Past results dont matter, and current results are showing that the emea team that DID make it to Berlin, are not showing up
1 choke suddenly means your not showing up? Do we just forget 100T getting bummed the first map and the first half of icebox?
thanatos111 [#7]Gambit was an unlucky choke, G2 are worse than liquid
I guess BBG over sentinels because sentinels choked?
How can you possibly know if liquid is better than G2 if they didn’t had the chance to meet in EMEA playoffs? If liquid beat g2 I would understand your opinion, but since they haven’t played each other after the roster changes you’re just talking shit
thanatos111 [#9]1 choke suddenly means your not showing up? Do we just forget 100T getting bummed the first map and the first half of icebox?
If anything 100t was choking first map and first half of icebox lol, you saw the man advantage throws
MrCrespito [#11]How can you possibly know if liquid is better than G2 if they didn’t had the chance to meet in EMEA playoffs? If liquid beat g2 I would understand your opinion, but since they haven’t played each other after the roster changes you’re just talking shit
Liquid nearly beat gambit in a 4v5 in all honesty they should’ve subbed me in for jamppi I could’ve hit them op shots
mys [#12]If anything 100t was choking first map and first half of icebox lol, you saw the man advantage throws
It takes skill to choke an 11-3 lead
thanatos111 [#14]It takes skill to choke an 11-3 lead
but it takes more skill to come back a 3-11 deficit
Sentinels is in a different level than all of NA, the only reason why other teams can beat them in NA is because they played them a lot. 100T right now is looking really strong, specially in the Lan environment. For EU tho, EU has a lot diverse and great teams. If you go back and check, every Fnatic vs Sentinels match was really close in the Iceland finals. Considering the fact that the teams we are now seeing in Berlin is technically better than Fnatic, there is a high chance that Sentinels will struggle against the likes of Acend or Gambit. Personally I would put the crown on Vision Strikers' head right now, they could be the team to defeat Sentinels. Acend, Gambit and 100Thieves will probably make things hard for Sentinels too. So the super team for EU is literally out of question with the recent and future roaster changes of the top EU teams. Liquid and Fnatic are getting enough time to prepare as scary af teams while the likes of FPX are trying to fix their roaster. Acend and Gambit gaining international experience is also gonna help them in the long run.
Bro, relax haha. I am an EMEA STAN
But the cold hard truth, we are a level below NA right now. My mind won't change until we get results that suggest otherwise.
There's also nothing wrong with that, the top teams are mostly comprised of players that have a strong competitive CS background. They don't have to have been major winners, but they have RECEIPTS and a track record. It's a more experienced region.
Teamwork wise, we have alot of development to do. Compare Acend's performance to VS today. You can lose count of the amount of times players were dying alone. Same in G2's matches.
It was quite worrying to see them tweet that VS "hit insane 1 in a thousand" type shots. If they think that's why they lost, they need to watch that game back and study it HARD.
Ryuzaki [#16]Sentinels is in a different level than all of NA, the only reason why other teams can beat them in NA is because they played them a lot. 100T right now is looking really strong, specially in the Lan environment. For EU tho, EU has a lot diverse and great teams. If you go back and check, every Fnatic vs Sentinels match was really close in the Iceland finals. Considering the fact that the teams we are now seeing in Berlin is technically better than Fnatic, there is a high chance that Sentinels will struggle against the likes of Acend or Gambit. Personally I would put the crown on Vision Strikers' head right now, they could be the team to defeat Sentinels. Acend, Gambit and 100Thieves will probably make things hard for Sentinels too. So the super team for EU is literally out of question with the recent and future roaster changes of the top EU teams. Liquid and Fnatic are getting enough time to prepare as scary af teams while the likes of FPX are trying to fix their roaster. Acend and Gambit gaining international experience is also gonna help them in the long run.
Agreed
yungbasel [#17]Bro, relax haha. I am an EMEA STAN
But the cold hard truth, we are a level below NA right now. My mind won't change until we get results that suggest otherwise.
There's also nothing wrong with that, the top teams are mostly comprised of players that have a strong competitive CS background. They don't have to have been major winners, but they have RECEIPTS and a track record. It's a more experienced region.
Teamwork wise, we have alot of development to do. Compare Acend's performance to VS today. You can lose count of the amount of times players were dying alone. Same in G2's matches.
It was quite worrying to see them tweet that VS "hit insane 1 in a thousand" type shots. If they think that's why they lost, they need to watch that game back and study it HARD.
Stans dont talk this logically
ShiningTyGuy [#19]Stans dont talk this logically
A man of reason first and foremost, Stan second haha.
Ryuzaki [#16]Sentinels is in a different level than all of NA, the only reason why other teams can beat them in NA is because they played them a lot. 100T right now is looking really strong, specially in the Lan environment. For EU tho, EU has a lot diverse and great teams. If you go back and check, every Fnatic vs Sentinels match was really close in the Iceland finals. Considering the fact that the teams we are now seeing in Berlin is technically better than Fnatic, there is a high chance that Sentinels will struggle against the likes of Acend or Gambit. Personally I would put the crown on Vision Strikers' head right now, they could be the team to defeat Sentinels. Acend, Gambit and 100Thieves will probably make things hard for Sentinels too. So the super team for EU is literally out of question with the recent and future roaster changes of the top EU teams. Liquid and Fnatic are getting enough time to prepare as scary af teams while the likes of FPX are trying to fix their roaster. Acend and Gambit gaining international experience is also gonna help them in the long run.
the thing is you act like sentinels just didn't improve since iceland which is very far from the truth. G2 was honestly a good team, being able to take icebox from both gambit and sentinels just proves it.
yungbasel [#17]Bro, relax haha. I am an EMEA STAN
But the cold hard truth, we are a level below NA right now. My mind won't change until we get results that suggest otherwise.
There's also nothing wrong with that, the top teams are mostly comprised of players that have a strong competitive CS background. They don't have to have been major winners, but they have RECEIPTS and a track record. It's a more experienced region.
Teamwork wise, we have alot of development to do. Compare Acend's performance to VS today. You can lose count of the amount of times players were dying alone. Same in G2's matches.
It was quite worrying to see them tweet that VS "hit insane 1 in a thousand" type shots. If they think that's why they lost, they need to watch that game back and study it HARD.
yea, acend acted like vision strikers beating them was a fluke. really sad imo when they literally just got destroyed in nearly every aspect of the game.
bhc [#21]the thing is you act like sentinels just didn't improve since iceland which is very far from the truth. G2 was honestly a good team, being able to take icebox from both gambit and sentinels just proves it.
Sentinels definitely improved but so have the other teams. But when you are on top, the rate of improvement gets slower than others competing for your spot. Maybe its not the same for Sen cuz its their chemistry as a team and everyone's comms kicking in, the positive mental, with good mechanics and Shahz's shot calling. But as we know- keeping the crown is harder than achieving it.
Also, the reason why a lot of people are trashing on eu is because all the fans were so cocky coming into Berlin saying, "Acend 2-0 Sen, Gambit 2-0 Sen" and "best teams from eu weren't at iceland, sentinels are gonna get whooped at berlin" I guarantee you if either 100t or sen lost, the na shit talk would be 100x worse for NA than it is now for eu.
thanatos111 [#13]Liquid nearly beat gambit in a 4v5 in all honesty they should’ve subbed me in for jamppi I could’ve hit them op shots
and G2 nearly beat Gambit for .01 ms
MontyPython75 [#27]Trash talk is fun and its natural. If EU was on top theyd trash talk NA. Its life if you dont like trash talk dont participate in it
so cringe
elayaCL [#29]Agree, sometimes the level of things i read here is worst than csgo forums (replacing players after one lost match for example).
to be expected, valorant draws a younger, less mature crowd
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