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chrlxz [#14]better than baiter le0
taco used to be sick during chamber
taco had to use 0.94% of his skills or vanguard would ban him due to aimbot detection, that's how cracked his aim is
babysasuke [#21]One got replaced with a Tier 2 no name and the other was only relevant for like 3 months in 2021 (and was carried by shAts)
FNS is the GOAT of Valorant
Chronicle was definitely not carried, but it was Nats' team
babysasuke [#21]One got replaced with a Tier 2 no name and the other was only relevant for like 3 months in 2021 (and was carried by shAts)
FNS is the GOAT of Valorant
One got replaced with a Tier 2 no name
Leo stepped down due to health issues
and the other was only relevant for like 3 months in 2021
Made himself quite relevant recently when he owned you on vlr lil bro
Yuh_aye [#25]How chronicle can be considered the greatest player of ALL TIME while never once being the best AT ANY TIME, or ever being the best on any of his teams boggles my mind.
Top 2 in Berlin
Top 4 in Champs
Top 3 in Tokyo
Arguably best player on gambit (nats having carried gambit on his own is false narrative)
Also to be the best of all time doesnt mean you have to be the best at any time. Chronicle might or might not have been the best at any time but he has been up there with the greatest for a ridiculous amount of time
welikefortniteandvalorant [#24]One got replaced with a Tier 2 no name
Leo stepped down due to health issues
and the other was only relevant for like 3 months in 2021
Made himself quite relevant recently when he owned you on vlr lil bro
using my name for clout is a relevance cheatcode i guess
Yuh_aye [#25]How chronicle can be considered the greatest player of ALL TIME while never once being the best AT ANY TIME, or ever being the best on any of his teams boggles my mind.
Brother
He was 2nd best player of all of 2021 (after nAts) and best player at champs 2021
kfan4238173 [#3]chronicle
It is between Chronicle and Aspas right now.
However, ppl that say TenZ should be in the goat discussion are so delusional.
Steelz [#33]performance + titles = chronicle
performance = aspas
aspas won Champs and chronicle's performance is on par with NA VCL players
Steelz [#33]performance + titles = chronicle
performance = aspas
chronicle isn't as consistent as aspas. Aspas has been carrying his teams forever
sentinelmain377 [#31]It is between Chronicle and Aspas right now.
However, ppl that say TenZ should be in the goat discussion are so delusional.
GET READY TO BE DOWNVOTED BY THOSE SEN KIDS
babysasuke [#34]aspas won Champs and chronicle's performance is on par with NA VCL players
all the tournaments that chronicle won he played very well, same for aspas but he won less than chronicle and if you want i can take aspas performances when he lost to have a better gap in the comparison
Ausam [#35]chronicle isn't as consistent as aspas. Aspas has been carrying his teams forever
and thats why i put aspas when it comes to just performance
Steelz [#37]all the tournaments that chronicle won he played very well, same for aspas but he won less than chronicle and if you want i can take aspas performances when he lost to have a better gap in the comparison
Chronicle's trophies are meaningless though, the most valid one is from 2021 and it was entirely won on nAts not getting checked on lurks
babysasuke [#39]Chronicle's trophies are meaningless though, the most valid one is from 2021 and it was entirely won on nAts not getting checked on lurks
aspas was the worst LOUD player when they won champions 2022
welikefortniteandvalorant [#26]Top 2 in Berlin
Top 4 in Champs
Top 3 in TokyoArguably best player on gambit (nats having carried gambit on his own is false narrative)
Also to be the best of all time doesnt mean you have to be the best at any time. Chronicle might or might not have been the best at any time but he has been up there with the greatest for a ridiculous amount of time
Arguably best player on gambit
No he wasn't. People who say he was carried are wrong, but it was obviously nats' team.
Also to be the best of all time doesnt mean you have to be the best at any time
Actually... In any GOAT debate you had to be at least the best of your own era. Literally true for every sport/esport. If lebron wasn't the best player during the 2010s, he would immediately be disqualified from the goat debate. So yeah, you do have the be the best player in the world for at least some period of time.
Besides that, if we go by your own definition:
up there with the greatest for a ridiculous amount of time
Then Aspas and Less have, on an individual basis, been the best or MINIMUM second best in their role for their entire career.
If we just look at Aspas, the only people who were ever considered individually better than him on duelist were : Prime Yay, Prime EG Demon1. Thats the entire list.
Steelz [#40]aspas was the worst LOUD player when they won champions 2022
based on?
I really hope you say anything other than he had the lowest rating in finals
Steelz [#38]and thats why i put aspas when it comes to just performance
then u can't put chronicle as performance cause he hasn't had the performance that aspas had
babysasuke [#42]based on?
I really hope you say anything other than he had the lowest rating in finals
saying he was the worst LOUD player doesnt mean he was bad, but rather that his teammates were more impactful/important than him
im based on what i watched in champions 2022, and now checking the stats, it was the worst rating not only in the grand final as you said, but in the entire championship, taking into account only the LOUD players
tbh i didnt even remember that he had the worst rating in the grand final
Ausam [#43]then u can't put chronicle as performance cause he hasn't had the performance that aspas had
and thats why i put performance + titles
did you really read what i said? or are you just being annoying
Steelz [#44]saying he was the worst LOUD player doesnt mean he was bad, but rather that his teammates were more impactful/important than him
im based on what i watched in champions 2022, and now checking the stats, it was the worst rating not only in the grand final as you said, but in the entire championship, taking into account only the LOUD players
tbh i didnt even remember that he had the worst rating in the grand final
but he singlehandedly won Breeze
If he didn't lock that down Optic probably would have won the series
Rating means nothing, does not take into account how well a player actually does their job.
his teammates were more impactful/important than him
Their job is to set him up to do his job. Both happened, and they won.
babysasuke [#47]but he singlehandedly won Breeze
If he didn't lock that down Optic probably would have won the series
Rating means nothing, does not take into account how well a player actually does their job.
his teammates were more impactful/important than him
Their job is to set him up to do his job. Both happened, and they won.
chronicle also won in 2021 playing very well individually but it seems like youve already changed our conversation
you r talking about breeze but we can say about other map to, LOUD only won ascent cause of sacy performance
nothing you say changes the fact that aspas was the least impactful player in LOUD when they won champions 2022
babysasuke [#47]but he singlehandedly won Breeze
If he didn't lock that down Optic probably would have won the series
Rating means nothing, does not take into account how well a player actually does their job.
his teammates were more impactful/important than him
Their job is to set him up to do his job. Both happened, and they won.
thats like, you say that chronicle wasnt the best player when GAMBIT won but I cant say that aspas was not the most impactful when LOUD won? this dont make sense, its unfair
Gutwi [#36]GET READY TO BE DOWNVOTED BY THOSE SEN KIDS
Ik lmfao
How can tens be considered when his only notable result is being the 4th best player of 2021 (after nAts, Chronicle, and cNed)
Steelz [#45]and thats why i put performance + titles
did you really read what i said? or are you just being annoying
no u can just put title for chronicle as aspas had higher performances.How u gonna give him performance AND title for chronicle doesn't make sense
sentinelmain377 [#31]It is between Chronicle and Aspas right now.
However, ppl that say TenZ should be in the goat discussion are so delusional.
Zollshit or john no iqt
Ausam [#52]no u can just put title for chronicle as aspas had higher performances.How u gonna give him performance AND title for chronicle doesn't make sense
nah, cause chronicle also had incredible performances when he won
(some even better than when aspas won)
sentinelmain377 [#30]Brother
He was 2nd best player of all of 2021 (after nAts) and best player at champs 2021
best player at champs 2021
Bro is literally just making shit up
Steelz [#54]nah, cause chronicle also had incredible performances when he won
(some even better than when aspas won)
but aspas had incredible performance forever is what im tryna say. Do u count chronicle incredible performance in a couple of tourneys or do u count aspas having incredible performance throughout his career. Thats why i said aspas. Aspas always has incredible performance
Yuh_aye [#56]best player at champs 2021
Bro is literally just making shit up
He was. I am not making up anything lmfao. Did u even watch the tournament
Sped fucking na fan. Please don’t debate with me 0 fucking logic/evidence
sentinelmain377 [#58]He was. I am not making up anything lmfao. Did u even watch the tournament
Sped fucking na fan. Please don’t debate with me 0 fucking logic/evidence
i didn't see any evidence. Let me go look for some
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/449/valorant-champions-2021
Damn apparently Crashies was also the best player at Champs 21
Yuh_aye [#59]i didn't see any evidence. Let me go look for some
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/449/valorant-champions-2021
Damn apparently Crashies was also the best player at Champs 21
Why are you stupid?
You didn’t even watch champs 21
Stfu and don’t continue this conversation
Ausam [#57]but aspas had incredible performance forever is what im tryna say. Do u count chronicle incredible performance in a couple of tourneys or do u count aspas having incredible performance throughout his career. Thats why i said aspas. Aspas always has incredible performance
and thats why i put + titles 3 > 1
sentinelmain377 [#60]Why are you stupid?
You didn’t even watch champs 21Stfu and don’t continue this conversation
Somebody got caught lying and is mad now lol
Yuh_aye [#62]Somebody got caught lying and is mad now lol
I am not lying lmao what?
You do know Chronicle has a champs final and was mvp of Berlin 2021 final
sentinelmain377 [#64]I am not lying lmao what?
You do know Chronicle has a champs final and was mvp of Berlin 2021 final
you said he was the best player at champs 2021 and he just wasn't lol. Now you're changing the subject talking about berlin and shit.
Here it is again incase you forgot
and best player at champs 2021
Yuh_aye [#65]you said he was the best player at champs 2021 and he just wasn't lol. Now you're changing the subject talking about berlin and shit.
Here it is again incase you forgot
and best player at champs 2021
He was mvp of Berlin final but 2nd best at the time after nats.
He was best player of champs 21 though
Steelz [#48]chronicle also won in 2021 playing very well individually but it seems like youve already changed our conversation
you r talking about breeze but we can say about other map to, LOUD only won ascent cause of sacy performance
nothing you say changes the fact that aspas was the least impactful player in LOUD when they won champions 2022
You are right don’t worry
Baby sasuke is a baiter lol
sentinelmain377 [#66]He was mvp of Berlin final but 2nd best at the time after nats.
He was best player of champs 21 though
He was best player of champs 21 though
Still just as wrong as the first time you said it.
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Anyways, you can't be the GOAT if you've never been better than your teammates.
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