2021: EMEA > AMER > PAC
2022: EMEA = AMER > PAC
2023: AMER > EMEA > PAC > CN
2024: EMEA > PAC = AMER > CN
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Final All Year Region Ranking
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KRATOSmimir21 [#3]2024: emea
3 wins total, 2 of them being against CN
Sure buddy they’re the best
2022:
Amer 2 trophies, emea 1 but yea they equal alright
overall region strength exists btw
this isnt just about the top teams
911dot [#2]Yeah sure 2023 NA won Champs and Best Region for sure...
rest of EMEA was trash
however, this year it is the opposite
AMER and APAC have the better top teams, but EMEA has better teams overall
sentinelmain377 [#4]overall region strength exists btw
this isnt just about the top teams
emea is def the most well rounded league but emea hasnt even been to an int finals yet this year
let fut win shanghai then we talk
Sir_Johnny123 [#5]2021 EMEA
2022 America (Fluke masters 1)
2023 EMEA
2024 America (so far)
2022 is not AMERICAS
it is equal
Also NA was a 1 team region (OPTC) and BR was 1 team (LOUD)
everyone else in AMERICAS was horrendous
remember how good top 7 EU was (FNATIC FPX G2 GUILD TL GAMBIT(M3C) ACEND)
even OG-LDNUTD BIG FOKUS looked good
sentinelmain377 [#4]overall region strength exists btw
this isnt just about the top teams
If u want to consider overall then emea goes 3rd or last in 2023. Everybody but fnc was atrocious
sentinelmain377 [#4]overall region strength exists btw
this isnt just about the top teams
If u want to consider overall then emea goes 3rd or last in 2023. Everybody but fnc was atrocious
sentinelmain377 [#8]2022 is not AMERICAS
it is equalAlso NA was a 1 team region (OPTC) and BR was 1 team (LOUD)
everyone else in AMERICAS was horrendousremember how good top 7 EU was (FNATIC FPX G2 GUILD TL GAMBIT(M3C) ACEND)
even OG-LDNUTD BIG FOKUS looked good
Fair comment.
2023 was Definitely Fnatics.
KRATOSmimir21 [#10]If u want to consider overall then emea goes 3rd or last in 2023. Everybody but fnc was atrocious
same goes for AMERICAS in 2022
remove OPTIC for NA and LOUD for BR
where tf is the rest of the region in 2022 lolz?
nobody___100 [#13]americas sits emea down in 2022, we had loud and optic and emea only had fpx
its overall region strength
why would it just be about the top teams?
also look at 2022 for EMEA without FPX, then look at 2022 for AMERICAS without OPTC LOUD
EMEA still looks decent without FPX, but AMERICAS looks horrible without OPTC LOUD
sentinelmain377 [#12]same goes for AMERICAS in 2022
remove OPTIC for NA and LOUD for BRwhere tf is the rest of the region in 2022 lolz?
2022 was only FPX for EMEA and even then they didnt do much. Overall strength is 2021 for emea only. Americas has stronger teams
sentinelmain377 [#12]same goes for AMERICAS in 2022
remove OPTIC for NA and LOUD for BRwhere tf is the rest of the region in 2022 lolz?
2 teams > 1 team (Navi)
Remove Navi and 1 America but theres still 1 team who won for amer
sentinelmain377 [#8]2022 is not AMERICAS
it is equalAlso NA was a 1 team region (OPTC) and BR was 1 team (LOUD)
everyone else in AMERICAS was horrendousremember how good top 7 EU was (FNATIC FPX G2 GUILD TL GAMBIT(M3C) ACEND)
even OG-LDNUTD BIG FOKUS looked good
you are wrong
copenhagen 3 americas teams 3 EMEA
istanbul 4 americas teams 3 EMEA
sentinelmain377 [#14]its overall region strength
why would it just be about the top teams?also look at 2022 for EMEA without FPX, then look at 2022 for AMERICAS without OPTC LOUD
EMEA still looks decent without FPX, but AMERICAS looks horrible without OPTC LOUD
So remove 1 from emea but 2 from America?
How does that make any sense
Doesn’t matter what the regions were before its combined now
KRATOSmimir21 [#10]If u want to consider overall then emea goes 3rd or last in 2023. Everybody but fnc was atrocious
also PACIFIC is still worse than EMEA
in LOCK//IN only 3/10 teams won their first match (worse than EMEA results)
in Tokyo PRX got 3rd, DRX got 7th-8th, and T1 got 9th-10th (worse than EMEA results)
in C23, PRX got 2nd, DRX got 5th-6th, and T1 ZETA got grouped (worse than EMEA results)
KRATOSmimir21 [#18]So remove 1 from emea but 2 from America?
How does that make any sense
Doesn’t matter what the regions were before its combined now
thas why I made AMERICAS = EMEA
the top 7 of EMEA in 2022 all looked great (overall region strength)
only like OPTC LOUD XSET and TGRD looked decent in 2022 for AMERICAS (separate regions btw)
sentinelmain377 [#12]same goes for AMERICAS in 2022
remove OPTIC for NA and LOUD for BRwhere tf is the rest of the region in 2022 lolz?
same for EMEA in 2022
remove FPX and FNC
placements:
6th, 8th reykjavik
8th copenhagen
8th champs
AMER without LOUD/optic
reyk: 8th
copenhagen: 6th, 8th
champs: 6th,8th
sentinelmain377 [#19]also PACIFIC is still worse than EMEA
in LOCK//IN only 3/10 teams won their first match (worse than EMEA results)
in Tokyo PRX got 3rd, DRX got 7th-8th, and T1 got 9th-10th (worse than EMEA results)
in C23, PRX got 2nd, DRX got 5th-6th, and T1 ZETA got grouped (worse than EMEA results)
Bruh u can’t say u want to factor in overall region teams and then look at international results only. Pick one
Psion [#21]same for EMEA in 2022
remove FPX and FNC
placements:
6th, 8th reykjavik
8th copenhagen
8th champs
AMER without LOUD/optic
reyk: 8th
copenhagen: 6th, 8th
champs: 6th,8th
bro are u dum
EMEA only had 3 slots, while AMERICAS had like 6 in champs, 5 in reykjavik 2022, 5 in copenhagen 2022
if your gonna remove 2/3 of the teams, no shit its gonna look worse, your ranking the 3rd best team
sentinelmain377 [#20]thas why I made AMERICAS = EMEA
the top 7 of EMEA in 2022 all looked great (overall region strength)
only like OPTC LOUD XSET and TGRD looked decent in 2022 for AMERICAS (separate regions btw)
7 from emea looked good?
What a delusional take
KRATOSmimir21 [#22]Bruh u can’t say u want to factor in overall region teams and then look at international results only. Pick one
DUDE??
ARE YOU REALLY FUCKING SAYING THAT PACIFIC WITHOUT PRX DRX T1 ZETA is BETTER THAN REST OF EMEA in 2023
I cant with how much you all have been BRAINWASHED BY AMERICAS AND APAC PROPAGANDA
Holy shit
sentinelmain377 [#23]bro are u dum
EMEA only had 3 slots, while AMERICAS had like 6 in champs, 5 in reykjavik 2022, 5 in copenhagen 2022if your gonna remove 2/3 of the teams, no shit its gonna look worse, your ranking the 3rd best team
if you say bro what you are dumb
Psion [#26]if you say bro what you are dumb
please make a solid argument next time
edit: nice editing ur comment before the 5 min mark
KRATOSmimir21 [#24]7 from emea looked good?
What a delusional take
it was 2022
not 2023-2024
FPX FNC GUILD M3C(GAMBIT) TL ACEND and G2 were all great
sentinelmain377 [#28]it was 2022
not 2023-2024FPX FNC GUILD M3C(GAMBIT) TL ACEND and G2 were all great
Yea ik
What 7 are you talking about tf
Also other point, u can’t take in overall region cause they don’t play each other. Our bias is gonna say one is better than other. You can only look at international results which means ur rankings are wrong simple
sentinelmain377 [#25]DUDE??
ARE YOU REALLY FUCKING SAYING THAT PACIFIC WITHOUT PRX DRX T1 ZETA is BETTER THAN REST OF EMEA in 2023I cant with how much you all have been BRAINWASHED BY AMERICAS AND APAC PROPAGANDA
Holy shit
U just named 4 pac teams when eu had 1 maybe two with Navi
Last time I checked 4 > 2
KRATOSmimir21 [#31]U just named 4 pac teams when eu had 1 maybe two with Navi
Last time I checked 4 > 2
0/8 holy fuck
its cuz I was talking about the teams that attended internationally
please try to have a smarter conversation instead of wasting my time
sentinelmain377 [#32]0/8 holy fuck
its cuz I was talking about the teams that attended internationally
please try to have a smarter conversation instead of wasting my time
Take ur own advice
Said it elsewhere, u can’t look at overall region cause of bias. Only looking at tourney ur rankings are wrong simply put
KRATOSmimir21 [#33]Take ur own advice
Said it elsewhere, u can’t look at overall region cause of bias. Only looking at tourney ur rankings are wrong simply put
I have a question?
Do you actually believe PACIFIC > EMEA in 2023?
if so, we can end this conversation because you are dumb asf
sentinelmain377 [#6]rest of EMEA was trash
however, this year it is the opposite
AMER and APAC have the better top teams, but EMEA has better teams overall
Holy cope. It is NOT an achievement if your teams just barely beat China and third place in americas. Both games were 2-1 today, so there's no need to act like EMEA is back, or is so good again all of a sudden. I can't wait for playoffs to humble you delusional fools.
sentinelmain377 [#34]I have a question?
Do you actually believe PACIFIC > EMEA in 2023?
if so, we can end this conversation because you are dumb asf
Nah fr I don’t. But it’s closer if ur considering overall region ranking.
unknown_trash [#35]Holy cope. It is NOT an achievement if your teams just barely beat China and third place in americas. Both games were 2-1 today, so there's no need to act like EMEA is back, or is so good again all of a sudden. I can't wait for playoffs to humble you delusional fools.
"overall region strength"
not about the top teams!!!
also TH still has the sub situation and way less practice than other teams on the roles they are on rn (which we are ignoring)
KRATOSmimir21 [#36]Nah fr I don’t. But it’s closer if ur considering overall region ranking.
no order in each tier
emea and apac in 2023:
S+: FNC
S: PRX
A: FUT NAVI, DRX
B: TL GIA VIT BBL, T1 TLN TS
C: TH, GENG RRQ
F: KOI, ZETA GE
Z: KC, DFM
EMEA >
I mean, Guild was able to beat Optic and Loud, but outside of them and FPX it wasn't really close compared to the top AM teams. I get your part about regional depth, so I'd throw up how Xset was able to beat Fnatic and FPX at times, 100T was able to beat Fnatic, Lev was at that same tier. In NA, teams like Faze, NRG, Guard, and EG were able to challenge those globally recognized NA teams.
If we want to be abstract about regional contenders, it's about equal between just NA and EMEA. If we want international contenders, arguably AM would be placed higher. And, if we look at the peaks, Optic and Loud were a step ahend of everyone else (worst case, FPX was there too).
I'd be more tempted to put AM = EMEA 2023 than EMEA = AM 2022.
Wronghand [#39]I mean, Guild was able to beat Optic and Loud, but outside of them and FPX it wasn't really close compared to the top AM teams. I get your part about regional depth, so I'd throw up how Xset was able to beat Fnatic and FPX at times, 100T was able to beat Fnatic, Lev was at that same tier. In NA, teams like Faze, NRG, Guard, and EG were able to challenge those globally recognized NA teams.
If we want to be abstract about regional contenders, it's about equal between just NA and EMEA. If we want international contenders, arguably AM would be placed higher. And, if we look at the peaks, Optic and Loud were a step ahend of everyone else (worst case, FPX was there too).
I'd be more tempted to put AM = EMEA 2023 than EMEA = AM 2022.
reykjavik 2022 though?
if FPX was there, they win for sure bruh
they won EMEA grand finals with a sub
sentinelmain377 [#38]no order in each tier
emea and apac in 2023:
S+: FNC
S: PRX
A: FUT NAVI, DRX
B: TL GIA VIT BBL, T1 TLN TS
C: TH, GENG RRQ
F: KOI, ZETA GE
Z: KC, DFMEMEA >
Yup I’ll agree with you on this
sentinelmain377 [#37]"overall region strength"
not about the top teams!!!
also TH still has the sub situation and way less practice than other teams on the roles they are on rn (which we are ignoring)
And your acting like Americas has 5+ teams that are good enough to play well at a masters.
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