American mentality ruining futbol

In American sports, I notice that players are praised for their physical attributes - running a fast 40m, jumping high... - there is little emphasis on skill. This mentality has creeped inthe the beautiful game. In the modern era of steroids and asthma medication only pace matters, flair is dead because every player is doping and will press you for 90 minutes. Look at Haaland, he has never scored a goal with technique, his best goal is just jumping high and kicking his leg like any NFL youngster could do, this will only continue until eventually we have two CBs delivering long passes to 8 pacy retards all game like how the NFL spams 50 yard passes all game.

TLDR: Pace has killed flair

very clear that you do not watch american sports! haaland is shit tho hes the ghost of the emptihad

this is why mbappe and vinicius are wayy clearr of that tap in merchant
he basically sit in the opponent's d for the entire 90 minutes
bro's basically nothing but a bait to keep defenders in check
a spare player in the starting 11

whole lotta yap here

Kiko [#2]

very clear that you do not watch american sports! haaland is shit tho hes the ghost of the emptihad

Bro wide receivers literally just run fast. Do you know how unintuitive controlling a ball with your feet is? They get to keep the ball in their hands instead of their feet and still drop the ball all the time lol.

Kiko [#2]

very clear that you do not watch american sports! haaland is shit tho hes the ghost of the emptihad

what american sports are u watching,american sports narratives is all abut athleticism,luka doncic who was putting up mvp numbers at 19 in the euro league (which is way higher level than any other level than the nba) got drafted under "marvin bagley III" and "deandre ayton" cause they were more "athletic"

gg321 [#6]

what american sports are u watching,american sports narratives is all abut athleticism,luka doncic who was putting up mvp numbers at 19 in the euro league (which is way higher level than any other level than the nba) got drafted under "marvin bagley III" and "deandre ayton" cause they were more "athletic"

Bro cooked

StoneRosesBestUKBand [#5]

Bro wide receivers literally just run fast. Do you know how unintuitive controlling a ball with your feet is? They get to keep the ball in their hands instead of their feet and still drop the ball all the time lol.

yeah they literally just run fast... no bro they dont. i do know how hard it is controlling a ball with your feet, when did i ever say anything about futbol? there is a ridiculous level of skill in american sports and theres a reason that only 200 something players get drafted to the nfl and only 60 in the nba. It's because of their skill. not because "durr i can run fast!"

gg321 [#6]

what american sports are u watching,american sports narratives is all abut athleticism,luka doncic who was putting up mvp numbers at 19 in the euro league (which is way higher level than any other level than the nba) got drafted under "marvin bagley III" and "deandre ayton" cause they were more "athletic"

dude, every single player that is being glorified in american sports is being glorified because of skill. and luka was not a better prospect than ayton or marvin bagley. luka proved why he is better than both of them but when they were being scouted they were 2 of the best prospects in years.

Kiko [#9]

dude, every single player that is being glorified in american sports is being glorified because of skill. and luka was not a better prospect than ayton or marvin bagley. luka proved why he is better than both of them but when they were being scouted they were 2 of the best prospects in years.

"luka was not a better prospect" respectfully luka would have averaged a 45/10/10 in college basketball
he was already ding better than them in a harder league its literally common sense he was better to anyone but American media since they overrate the fuck out of American non nba basketball compared to euroleague,every american whos played in the euroleague says the best aau teams would get absolutely swept

Bruh I wish the NFL spammed 50 yard passes like they did back in the early 2010s. Now defenses play 4 quarter zone coverages and offenses attack underneath. The only time you'll see speed abuse is if they're playing man coverage

Kiko [#9]

dude, every single player that is being glorified in american sports is being glorified because of skill. and luka was not a better prospect than ayton or marvin bagley. luka proved why he is better than both of them but when they were being scouted they were 2 of the best prospects in years.

Saying that Luka was not the better prospect is absolutely insane.

American sport people just like to discredit European sports, Cuban knew he was the #1 talent all along, he's stated that multiple times.

Denying this in 2024 is insane.

gg321 [#10]

"luka was not a better prospect" respectfully luka would have averaged a 45/10/10 in college basketball
he was already ding better than them in a harder league its literally common sense he was better to anyone but American media since they overrate the fuck out of American non nba basketball compared to euroleague,every american whos played in the euroleague says the best aau teams would get absolutely swept

yeah bro obviously... but at the time, like i said before, deandre ayton and marvin bagley were 2 of the best prospects in years even outside of their own draft class. that doesnt mean they are better than him, after all, scouts are literally just predicting how they think said player will do in the nba. they were wrong about luka. he is one of the best players in the nba right now. but that doesnt mean that they value athleticism over skill. they obviously dont because they want to win. skilled players bring you championships.

The_Cleg [#12]

Saying that Luka was not the better prospect is absolutely insane.

American sport people just like to discredit European sports, Cuban knew he was the #1 talent all along, he's stated that multiple times.

Denying this in 2024 is insane.

you dont understand what i said. he was a worse prospect according to scouts. he is obviously 200x the player either of them will ever be. i already said my point in #13 so you can read it there.

Kiko [#13]

yeah bro obviously... but at the time, like i said before, deandre ayton and marvin bagley were 2 of the best prospects in years even outside of their own draft class. that doesnt mean they are better than him, after all, scouts are literally just predicting how they think said player will do in the nba. they were wrong about luka. he is one of the best players in the nba right now. but that doesnt mean that they value athleticism over skill. they obviously dont because they want to win. skilled players bring you championships.

They were better prospects just because the scouts like physical basketball played in the USA, and not more technical basket played in the EU. That's all there is to it.

They weren't better talents they just looked like it to trashy and biased NBA scouts (again, Mavs scouts knew Luka was #1)

I listened to some insiders podcast (ide remember who anymore, prolly something like JJR) say that some scouts didn't even consider Luka as a great prospect just bc he was coming from EU

Kiko [#13]

yeah bro obviously... but at the time, like i said before, deandre ayton and marvin bagley were 2 of the best prospects in years even outside of their own draft class. that doesnt mean they are better than him, after all, scouts are literally just predicting how they think said player will do in the nba. they were wrong about luka. he is one of the best players in the nba right now. but that doesnt mean that they value athleticism over skill. they obviously dont because they want to win. skilled players bring you championships.

they absolutely have valued athleticism over skill in the past,maybe now less since they kinda have no choice but to respect the European players and playstyle since they have proved it works
if they really valued skill luka would have been the number 1 pick by a landslide,and u still have these washed up "tough" 2000's players with their podcasts trying their hardest to cope about it

The_Cleg [#15]

They were better prospects just because the scouts like physical basketball played in the USA, and not more technical basket played in the EU. That's all there is to it.

They weren't better talents they just looked like it to trashy and biased NBA scouts (again, Mavs scouts knew Luka was #1)

I listened to some insiders podcast (ide remember who anymore, prolly something like JJR) say that some scouts didn't even consider Luka as a great prospect just bc he was coming from EU

bro you literally dont have a single clue what you're talking about LMAO. ayton and bagley arent some shaq type players bro. they dont succeed because they are "physical" go watch any of their highlight videos. you clearly have never seen either of them play. they were valued more because of their actual skill (scoring ability, passing, nba readiness). i wont repeat my point anymore. you can just say the exact same thing with no knowledge of the actual truth if you want.

Kiko [#17]

bro you literally dont have a single clue what you're talking about LMAO. ayton and bagley arent some shaq type players bro. they dont succeed because they are "physical" go watch any of their highlight videos. you clearly have never seen either of them play. they were valued more because of their actual skill (scoring ability, passing, nba readiness). i wont repeat my point anymore. you can just say the exact same thing with no knowledge of the actual truth if you want.

Sure they weren't but compared to fucking Luka they were??? What are you on about, do you not possess the intelligence needed to connect two things inside of an argument???

The_Cleg [#18]

Sure they weren't but compared to fucking Luka they were??? What are you on about, do you not possess the intelligence needed to connect two things inside of an argument???

oh my god. actual brick wall. there is zero getting my point across to you. ok bro you win. ima go do something productive with my time instead.

Kiko [#19]

oh my god. actual brick wall. there is zero getting my point across to you. ok bro you win. ima go do something productive with my time instead.

Thinking that Luka wasn't a better prospect in 2018 even with hindsight is crazy, not even the worst NBA scout could do that

The_Cleg [#20]

Thinking that Luka wasn't a better prospect in 2018 even with hindsight is crazy, not even the worst NBA scout could do that

bro with hindsight i do think hes better... ive said that like 5 times.

Kiko [#17]

bro you literally dont have a single clue what you're talking about LMAO. ayton and bagley arent some shaq type players bro. they dont succeed because they are "physical" go watch any of their highlight videos. you clearly have never seen either of them play. they were valued more because of their actual skill (scoring ability, passing, nba readiness). i wont repeat my point anymore. you can just say the exact same thing with no knowledge of the actual truth if you want.

the fact u think either of them were at any point better than luka in anything but defense just proves u still think aau basketball is comparable to euroeague which it just isnt,i repeat again luka was playing against harder competition and showed more potential at a younger age playing against grown men,the only reason he was rated lower is cause american media and scouts,again anyone with no bias understand luka doing what he was doing was way more impressive than ayton or bagley

Kiko [#21]

bro with hindsight i do think hes better... ive said that like 5 times.

No you said that he's the better player now and that he's gonna have the better career, not that he was the better talent back then, but it just wasn't recognized by trashy biased scouts, which is the whole point me and the other guy are tryina make, point that you apparently can't understand but blame me for being a brick wall

The_Cleg [#23]

No you said that he's the better player now and that he's gonna have the better career, not that he was the better talent back then, but it just wasn't recognized by trashy biased scouts, which is the whole point me and the other guy are tryina make, point that you apparently can't understand but blame me for being a brick wall

no no no, he was a worse prospect back then on paper. in reality he wasnt. thats what i was saying the whole time.

Kiko [#24]

no no no, he was a worse prospect back then on paper. in reality he wasnt. thats what i was saying the whole time.

But then if "in reality he wasn't" how can't you agree with the point that he was underrated because he came from EU and was unathletic (which also means that being athletic is overrated by US sport media)?

Which literally was my whole point but you disagreed with it?

The_Cleg [#25]

But then if "in reality he wasn't" how can't you agree with the point that he was underrated because he came from EU and was unathletic (which also means that being athletic is overrated by US sport media)?

Which literally was my whole point but you disagreed with it?

he wasnt underrated bro he was the 3rd pick in the draft. the top 5 is usually ridiculously close. and luka isn't "unathletic" nor is being athletic overrated. a long time ago, sure. but since like 2008 athleticism wasnt the main focus of scouts. you can literally go look at all of the things that go into scouting a player if you want.

Kiko [#26]

he wasnt underrated bro he was the 3rd pick in the draft. the top 5 is usually ridiculously close. and luka isn't "unathletic" nor is being athletic overrated. a long time ago, sure. but since like 2008 athleticism wasnt the main focus of scouts. you can literally go look at all of the things that go into scouting a player if you want.

Being worse on paper than you actually are is literally the definition of underrating... Idk what you are on about tbf

The_Cleg [#27]

Being worse on paper than you actually are is literally the definition of underrating... Idk what you are on about tbf

he wasnt worse on paper than he actually is, the only thing i think they got very slightly wrong about him was his jumper, which they rated an 8/10, which is still really high

Kiko [#26]

he wasnt underrated bro he was the 3rd pick in the draft. the top 5 is usually ridiculously close. and luka isn't "unathletic" nor is being athletic overrated. a long time ago, sure. but since like 2008 athleticism wasnt the main focus of scouts. you can literally go look at all of the things that go into scouting a player if you want.

yes he was underrated by ppl who knew nothing about basketball outside america

Kiko [#28]

he wasnt worse on paper than he actually is, the only thing i think they got very slightly wrong about him was his jumper, which they rated an 8/10, which is still really high

Bro u literally just wrote that than modified wtl