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Asuna_Yuuki [#3]He didn’t even drop 30/top frag in most of those game
yeah because he didn't go into like quadruple OT in every game, these are just outstanding performances (most of the ones that aren't 30 bombs are him being like +14 or him 13-1ing a team and being quadruple positive)
Hyopic [#4]yeah because he didn't go into like quadruple OT in every game, these are just outstanding performances (most of the ones that aren't 30 bombs are him being like +14 or him 13-1ing a team and being quadruple positive)
You own that fraud
Asuna_Yuuki [#3]He didn’t even drop 30/top frag in most of those game
- Most of those games didn't go to OT.
- He did top frag, the vlr ratings are shit.
number1_cned_hater [#5]You own that fraud
nah asuna_yuuki is a chill guy, I just think it's dumb to say that it was "rare" for TenZ to completely outfrag an entire server
Hyopic [#4]yeah because he didn't go into like quadruple OT in every game, these are just outstanding performances (most of the ones that aren't 30 bombs are him being like +14 or him 13-1ing a team and being quadruple positive)
He was also playing a lot of tier 2/tier 3 teams
Don’t get me wrong, those are great games from TenZ but his kills were not the end all be all for SEN’s victories in most of those games.
Point is that there are barely any close games vs good teams where TenZ has had life game/dropped 30.
And think about the fact that we had to deal with zekken doing the same thing
And I know he can outfrag servers. But he did more than just outfrag the server on sunset vs NRG
Hyopic [#7]nah asuna_yuuki is a chill guy, I just think it's dumb to say that it was "rare" for TenZ to completely outfrag an entire server
i mean its been very rare internationally since his only international appearance since 2021 was 1 game at lock\in which i don't even count as an appearance when factoring player's legacy
Psion [#9]i mean its been very rare internationally since his only international appearance since 2021 was 1 game at lock\in which i don't even count as an appearance when factoring player's legacy
well yeah duh, can't really frag out internationally if you haven't been to an international and the last one you were in, your team bombed out. TenZ needs to make Shanghai imo to keep up his appearance as a top 10 player (Ive seen many people put him as a top 10 player but imo this is the only time he has been consistent on and with a team since berlin)
Hyopic [#10]well yeah duh, can't really frag out internationally if you haven't been to an international and the last one you were in, your team bombed out. TenZ needs to make Shanghai imo to keep up his appearance as a top 10 player (Ive seen many people put him as a top 10 player but imo this is the only time he has been consistent on and with a team since berlin)
Tenz went pretty crazy against fq4 international tournament too
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]He was also playing a lot of tier 2/tier 3 teams
Don’t get me wrong, those are great games from TenZ but his kills were not the end all be all for SEN’s victories in most of those games.
Point is that there are barely any close games vs good teams where TenZ has had life game/dropped 30.
And think about the fact that we had to deal with zekken doing the same thing
And I know he can outfrag servers. But he did more than just outfrag the server on sunset vs NRG
I disagree, while a lot of those games WERE T2, you have to keep in mind they were against T2 players and he was 24/4 while the score was usually around 13-3. That's around like 2 kills per round pretty much every time he played. I don't think the game against NRG was a life game, I honestly think it was a bad game from sacy and zellsis. I think had NRG let any maps through other than Sunset and Split they had a very big chance of winning the series, but they just looked so uncoordinated on sunset.
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]He was also playing a lot of tier 2/tier 3 teams
Don’t get me wrong, those are great games from TenZ but his kills were not the end all be all for SEN’s victories in most of those games.
Point is that there are barely any close games vs good teams where TenZ has had life game/dropped 30.
And think about the fact that we had to deal with zekken doing the same thing
And I know he can outfrag servers. But he did more than just outfrag the server on sunset vs NRG
Bro he literally gave links to 100t games and open qual teams which were not t2 or t3
number1_cned_hater [#13]Bro he literally gave links to 100t games and open qual teams which were not t2 or t3
Open qual games were definitely t2 most of the time
T1 games are valid though.
Still not comparable to his game vs NRG imo
Hyopic [#10]well yeah duh, can't really frag out internationally if you haven't been to an international and the last one you were in, your team bombed out. TenZ needs to make Shanghai imo to keep up his appearance as a top 10 player (Ive seen many people put him as a top 10 player but imo this is the only time he has been consistent on and with a team since berlin)
he's not close to top 10 all time(unless you include pre-iceland 2021 but you shouldn't do that lmao), he's not even the highest ranking all time player on his team, that being sacy.
i'll list players that are guranteed above him to prove it
(in no order)
Less
Saadhak
Sacy
Aspas
Ethan
Chronicle
Boaster
Derke
Leo
FNS
Crashies
Victor
and this is just players who have previously played for FNC/NRG/LOUD
Asuna_Yuuki [#14]Open qual games were definitely t2 most of the time
T1 games are valid though.
Still not comparable to his game vs NRG imo
Def not t3 then also most of those t2 teams would have done great internationally
Hyopic [#12]I disagree, while a lot of those games WERE T2, you have to keep in mind they were against T2 players and he was 24/4 while the score was usually around 13-3. That's around like 2 kills per round pretty much every time he played. I don't think the game against NRG was a life game, I honestly think it was a bad game from sacy and zellsis. I think had NRG let any maps through other than Sunset and Split they had a very big chance of winning the series, but they just looked so uncoordinated on sunset.
bro 24 kills in 16 rounds is 1.5 kpr not 2 getcha numbers right
number1_cned_hater [#16]Def not t3 then also most of those t2 teams would have done great internationally
WHAT 💀
None of those t2 teams are doing good internationally
Hyopic [#12]I disagree, while a lot of those games WERE T2, you have to keep in mind they were against T2 players and he was 24/4 while the score was usually around 13-3. That's around like 2 kills per round pretty much every time he played. I don't think the game against NRG was a life game, I honestly think it was a bad game from sacy and zellsis. I think had NRG let any maps through other than Sunset and Split they had a very big chance of winning the series, but they just looked so uncoordinated on sunset.
Imo the game vs NRG was a life game because we usually never see a performance like that vs a tier 1 team in a game of that magnitude.
And don’t forget ZEKKEN DID IT TOO
NRG just caught SEN on a bad day imo
Also most of the games you pulled up were from EONS ago
The fact is that back then it was just easier to outgun people. Nowadays since the franchising era it has become much harder to do that and you literally NEVER see games like that
Psion [#15]he's not close to top 10 all time(unless you include pre-iceland 2021 but you shouldn't do that lmao), he's not even the highest ranking all time player on his team, that being sacy.
i'll list players that are guranteed above him to prove it
(in no order)
Less
Saadhak
Sacy
Aspas
Ethan
Chronicle
Boaster
Derke
Leo
FNS
Crashies
Victor
and this is just players who have previously played for FNC/NRG/LOUD
That's what im saying, he needs to place well in shanghai and look good in seoul for him to make top 10 of anything for me tbh
Psion [#17]bro 24 kills in 16 rounds is 1.5 kpr not 2 getcha numbers right
not using my brain when on vlr mr psion, 1.5 rounds to 2 anyways (you're right though, 1.5kpr is still phenomenal)
Hyopic [#21]not using my brain when on vlr mr psion, 1.5 rounds to 2 anyways (you're right though, 1.5kpr is still phenomenal)
bro you cannot round half a fucking point in KPR everything is going to round to 1 lmfaooo
Hyopic [#20]That's what im saying, he needs to place well in shanghai and look good in seoul for him to make top 10 of anything for me tbh
nvm i forgot he's on a team with sacy, if he wins sacy also wins so sacy will be the goat if they win both events oops
Asuna_Yuuki [#19]Imo the game vs NRG was a life game because we usually never see a performance like that vs a tier 1 team in a game of that magnitude.
And don’t forget ZEKKEN DID IT TOO
NRG just caught SEN on a bad day imo
Also most of the games you pulled up were from EONS ago
The fact is that back then it was just easier to outgun people. Nowadays since the franchising era it has become much harder to do that and you literally NEVER see games like that
I pulled up 2021-2022 cuz that was what the guy said and you said it was a rare occurrence, my b fam. I think two players dropping 30 is more a testament to how poor NRG's structure was during that game though. You don't see players dropping double 30's anymore because teams have a strong structure around their players, NRG just didn't have that yet while TenZ and Zekken were opportunistic enough to fish for kills
Psion [#23]nvm i forgot he's on a team with sacy, if he wins sacy also wins so sacy will be the goat if they win both events oops
sacy is already the goat imo along with chronicle and saadhak but thats just me
Psion [#22]bro you cannot round half a fucking point in KPR everything is going to round to 1 lmfaooo
don't care fuck the Sumerians
Asuna_Yuuki [#18]WHAT 💀
None of those t2 teams are doing good internationally
Soniqs would have won champions/masters hacknaija would agree with me
Asuna_Yuuki [#19]Imo the game vs NRG was a life game because we usually never see a performance like that vs a tier 1 team in a game of that magnitude.
And don’t forget ZEKKEN DID IT TOO
NRG just caught SEN on a bad day imo
Also most of the games you pulled up were from EONS ago
The fact is that back then it was just easier to outgun people. Nowadays since the franchising era it has become much harder to do that and you literally NEVER see games like that
Hyopic [#24]I pulled up 2021-2022 cuz that was what the guy said and you said it was a rare occurrence, my b fam. I think two players dropping 30 is more a testament to how poor NRG's structure was during that game though. You don't see players dropping double 30's anymore because teams have a strong structure around their players, NRG just didn't have that yet while TenZ and Zekken were opportunistic enough to fish for kills
I don’t even think it is because NRG had poor structure
Just think about it, if they had such poor structure how did they push SEN that far.
There were so many beautiful rounds by NRG but the skill of tekken just won out imo
Asuna_Yuuki [#31]I don’t even think it is because NRG had poor structure
Just think about it, if they had such poor structure how did they push SEN that far.
There were so many beautiful rounds by NRG but the skill of tekken just won out imo
because they have probably the most accomplished NA players in one team and everyone was shooting besides Ethan. I think I misworded it originally, I think their structure was solid but it was malleable and it definitely wasn't adaptable against higher level teams, I think that had they played LOUD on sunset or any of the other higher level teams, they would have also lost that map.
Psion [#15]he's not close to top 10 all time(unless you include pre-iceland 2021 but you shouldn't do that lmao), he's not even the highest ranking all time player on his team, that being sacy.
i'll list players that are guranteed above him to prove it
(in no order)
Less
Saadhak
Sacy
Aspas
Ethan
Chronicle
Boaster
Derke
Leo
FNS
Crashies
Victor
and this is just players who have previously played for FNC/NRG/LOUD
(ALLAT Warning)
He's definitely close if not already top 10 all time. imo TenZ>Ethan and there's an argument for Tenz>crashies/Victor.
For the Tenz vs Ethan comparison both had somewhat inconsistent gaps in their career: Tenz had a good 2021, bad 2022/23, and has started 2024 with a masters win. He was also the best/second best on the team/world during the internationals he played, winning 2 masters. Ethan had a mid 2021, a bad 2022 (played for old NRG who didn't really care/weren't competitive enough) and a good 2023 but was probably the 2nd/3rd best player on the team (usually behind Demon1/jawgemo). It is a little hard to compare the two since they played different roles but I think Tenz was more important for his team's success.
TLDR: 2 masters where a player was the top/second best on the team (and also the best in the world for one of them)>1 champions win as a great support
Kaico [#33](ALLAT Warning)
He's definitely close if not already top 10 all time. imo TenZ>Ethan and there's an argument for Tenz>crashies/Victor.For the Tenz vs Ethan comparison both had somewhat inconsistent gaps in their career: Tenz had a good 2021, bad 2022/23, and has started 2024 with a masters win. He was also the best/second best on the team/world during the internationals he played, winning 2 masters. Ethan had a mid 2021, a bad 2022 (played for old NRG who didn't really care/weren't competitive enough) and a good 2023 but was probably the 2nd/3rd best player on the team (usually behind Demon1/jawgemo). It is a little hard to compare the two since they played different roles but I think Tenz was more important for his team's success.
TLDR: 2 masters where a player was the top/second best on the team (and also the best in the world for one of them)>1 champions win as a great support
you don't combine event placements with how good someone was at an event, stats and accolades are 2 seperate things.
1 champs + 2 podium spots at masters >>>> 2 masters wins
Psion [#36]you don't combine event placements with how good someone was at an event, stats and accolades are 2 seperate things.
1 champs + 2 podium spots at masters >>>> 2 masters wins
I feel like stats matter a lot when talking about top 10 of all time (consider a top 10 list of players all time in irl sports, which one has bad stats? I can list many examples but I don't think I need to) but even without it, a finals appearance/podium finish without winning the event doesn't mean as much in my opinion. I'm not trying to downplay Ethan's career because I think he is an amazing player and has accomplished a lot but saying Tenz is not even close to top 10 all time is ridiculous.
Kaico [#37]I feel like stats matter a lot when talking about top 10 of all time (consider a top 10 list of players all time in irl sports, which one has bad stats? I can list many examples but I don't think I need to) but even without it, a finals appearance/podium finish without winning the event doesn't mean as much in my opinion. I'm not trying to downplay Ethan's career because I think he is an amazing player and has accomplished a lot but saying Tenz is not even close to top 10 all time is ridiculous.
stats definitely do matter, but what i mean is you should talk about them separately. Champs is worth between 1/3 and 1/2 more than a masters event(anyone who thinks champs is worth the same thing as masters doesn't know what they are talking about) , and getting 2nd and 3rd is worth more than 2/3 of a masters win
Psion [#15]he's not close to top 10 all time(unless you include pre-iceland 2021 but you shouldn't do that lmao), he's not even the highest ranking all time player on his team, that being sacy.
i'll list players that are guranteed above him to prove it
(in no order)
Less
Saadhak
Sacy
Aspas
Ethan
Chronicle
Boaster
Derke
Leo
FNS
Crashies
Victor
and this is just players who have previously played for FNC/NRG/LOUD
Get Trashies and shitcor of that list 💀
TheAceGamer30 [#40]Get Trashies and shitcor of that list 💀
bro what? they have made twice as many events, playoffs, and podiums as Tenz. this is just common sense bruh
Hyopic [#25]sacy is already the goat imo along with chronicle and saadhak but thats just me
he's there with chronicle but he did nothing last year while saadhak made 3 events, 3 playoffs, and 2 podium finishes (similarily, chronicle did nothing in 2022 while both saadhak and sacy did stuff)
TheAceGamer30 [#44]I did when they were good they are not now
So you’re a bandwagon 💀
Will you jump off of the SEN bandwagon when they start losing?
You are not a true fan if you only support players who are finding success
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And do you know what GOAT means, fool?
Psion [#43]he's there with chronicle but he did nothing last year while saadhak made 3 events, 3 playoffs, and 2 podium finishes (similarily, chronicle did nothing in 2022 while both saadhak and sacy did stuff)
yeah I agree, those are the only players I could really see in the "goat" category tho
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