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EU people, who's winning sen vs TH?
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Gummybears [#3]we've been underestimating heretics for the past 3 matchups
wait you lowkey right tho
TH winning 2-1 sen, first map is a stomp from sentinels the other 2 are OT
swvyboi1 [#8]What's your reason?
map pool i guess,
Sen ban breeze
Heretics ban ascent
Sen pick sunset
Heretics pick lotus
Sen ban icebox
Heretics ban bind
Split remains
Sen win sunset
Heretics win lotus
Sen win split
Gummybears [#3]we've been underestimating heretics for the past 3 matchups
only match they were under-estimated was vs Navi. KC vs TH #1 no one knew who to pred, the 2nd matchup ppl said KC would win and were right
Psion [#10]only match they were under-estimated was vs Navi. KC vs TH #1 no one knew who to pred, the 2nd matchup ppl said KC would win and were right
FUT? it was like 9 to 1 odds or something, and people like sliggy were rating KC heavily, Navi they were underestimated and grandfinals just a seeding game tbh
Gummybears [#11]FUT? it was like 9 to 1 odds or something, and people like sliggy were rating KC heavily, Navi they were underestimated and grandfinals just a seeding game tbh
that was 4 matches not 3 matches lol
Psion [#12]that was 4 matches not 3 matches lol
i said matchups not matches as in FUT, NAVI, KC
LOL
Gummybears [#14]i said matchups not matches as in FUT, NAVI, KC
LOL
you can't look at the 1st and 2nd time they play the same way so i'd treat them as different matchups
Psion [#15]you can't look at the 1st and 2nd time they play the same way so i'd treat them as different matchups
not how it works but ok 🤡
Gummybears [#16]not how it works but ok 🤡
yeah it is? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/matchup
matchup and match are synonyms lol
the only time a matchup is the same is when nothing has changed in between the 2 matches
Psion [#17]yeah it is? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/matchup
matchup and match are synonyms lol
the only time a matchup is the same is when nothing has changed in between the 2 matches
it literally says another synonym is tournament, you can't tell me you think a match and a tournament is the same thing
Gummybears [#19]it literally says another synonym is tournament, you can't tell me you think a match and a tournament is the same thing
you cannot seriously evaluate the first and second time KC played the same way lol
Psion [#20]you cannot seriously evaluate the first and second time KC played the same way lol
everytime optic/nrg and loud play is different but that 'MATCHUP' is considered the el classico of valorant
Gummybears [#21]everytime optic/nrg and loud play is different but that 'MATCHUP' is considered the el classico of valorant
the way that LOUD and Optics MATCHED UP changed between games. having the same players and staff does not mean the match/matchup is the same
Psion [#23]the way that LOUD and Optics MATCHED UP changed between games. having the same players and staff does not mean the match/matchup is the same
its not the same because how you MATCHUP (verb) can change, but it's still the same MATCHUP (noun) because its the same teams playing
Gummybears [#24]its not the same because how you MATCHUP (verb) can change, but it's still the same MATCHUP (noun) because its the same teams playing
you just contradicted yourself lmao
Psion [#25]you just contradicted yourself lmao
lets say the KC and FNC matchup a year ago would have been very one sided but THAT SAME MATCHUP now would be in KCs favor
Gummybears [#26]lets say the KC and FNC matchup a year ago would have been very one sided but THAT SAME MATCHUP now would be in KCs favor
so the only thing you use to determine matchups is org? so heretics vs g2 2020 is the same matchup as heretics vs g2 2024?
Psion [#27]so the only thing you use to determine matchups is org? so heretics vs g2 2020 is the same matchup as heretics vs g2 2024?
TEAM NOT ORG
like optic -> nrg would basically be considered the same team
Gummybears [#28]TEAM NOT ORG
like optic -> nrg would basically be considered the same team
how tf is KC vs FNC the same matchup this year and last year then lol, only Shin was on the team last year
Psion [#29]how tf is KC vs FNC the same matchup this year and last year then lol, only Shin was on the team last year
I use the standard of wether vlr considers the team the same, so click into the team page and matches, it combines optic and nrg.
there's also this thing on vlr called HEAD TO HEAD
which is basically the MATCHUP I'm talking about
Gummybears [#30]I use the standard of wether vlr considers the team the same, so click into the team page and matches, it combines optic and nrg.
there's also this thing on vlr called HEAD TO HEAD
which is basically the MATCHUP I'm talking about
this just ignores my question, but if you look at TH vs KC, it shows the "head to head matchup" as all matches played by the orgs NOT cores like u stated.
Gummybears [#9]map pool i guess,
Sen ban breeze
Heretics ban ascent
Sen pick sunset
Heretics pick lotus
Sen ban icebox
Heretics ban bind
Split remainsSen win sunset
Heretics win lotus
Sen win split
Sen ascent is below mid level, if coaching staff of hc is decent then they wouldnt ban ascent, they're better off banning either split or sunset. The rest of the maps are free
loloscum [#32]Sen ascent is below mid level, if coaching staff of hc is decent then they wouldnt ban ascent, they're better off banning either split or sunset. The rest of the maps are free
I can also see that it's just that we've yet to see ascent from heretics, I think the maps heretics likes to play coincide with the ones sen like to play, so th are not as able to exploit sen's weaker map pool as other teams
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