Leo Faria makes no sense

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"We want to see five friends and dream making it all the way to the top, and we are prepared for that occasion. In case a free agent team makes it to an International League, the players would have an opportunity to find an organization that would support them in the International League. This particular situation is different, since this team played through Challengers and Ascension under The Guard banner, and became free agents after the fact. Allowing an acquisition by a different organization now opens the door for slots in the VCT to be sold, which we do not allow."

The Guard isn't selecting which org represents the 5 players, the 5 players would. The only thing that should change is now the 5 player team does not have an org and they deserve time to find an org to represent them.

Selling VCT slots would happen in both cases Leo, you fucking moron.

https://twitter.com/lhfaria/status/1696674542528389462

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5 friends sounds like a free agent team, Leo doesn’t want f/a teams in tier 1 at all

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i mean hes right about that the situation will set a precedent where orgs can just sell their spots and they dont want that

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Couldn't that be mitigated by having riot decide who picks them up with the approval of the players?

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no it doesn't? the org gets nothing

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the org who sells gets money
the org who buys gets the spot

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i dont know what you are saying? The contracts can be voided (they are done through riot)

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But what about riot themselves choosing an org? Like they did initially with "franchising." This is not a precedent, it's an exception to a shitty situation and riot should set a better system to prevent it from happening again.

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You are right. Peanut brains downvoting you, typical vlr. Orgs will not care about winning ascension if they know they can "convince" the winning org to forfeit their spot in exchange of money. When free agents choose an org AFTER winning the league, they are not selling the spot because Orgs dont have to buy the spot, but just adopt the players.

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Tbh i understand now why Riot/Valorant couldnt let the guard players seek another org. Thats opens a door that could bring a lot of trouble on legal sphere..

Sad but it is what it is..

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how is the current state of the 5 players that were on the guard any different from a 5 man f/a team that won ascension?

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He explain on the text bro. The guard won a spot they had a sponsor. F/A teams -> no orgs behind them.

That on a legal sphere would let orgs on Valorant Parthenship sell their teams to outside orgs by a legal analogy

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SquareMars

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He doesn't explain it in the text, there is still no difference if a f/a 5 man won ascension vs. rn.

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the guard has let go of the players, they are now F/A, they have no claim to the roster or spot

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They let go after not signing the initial agreement for 2 months & got kicked, idiot.

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what does that change you dick munching fuck?

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everything? when riot made this decision, guard still had control of their contracts and they werent signing the agreement for 2 months (because they didnt have all 5 imo, some left). so after kicking them, they now release them F/A so other teams can get them.

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so they still can enact the normal procedure for them as an F/A roster, if not ,it's still their fault for not having a protocol and separate deadline in place for teams not signing the agreement, it's that simple

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Fucking bullshit

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I suppose the assumption here is that whatever org chooses to pick up the Guard players would be paying money to the Guard through buyouts. I think it's ridiculous to believe that is equivalent to "buying a slot", however.

I think, here, it's best to have an exception where this is allowed due to the circumstances. In the future, there must be some legalese put into place that forces organizations to let go of players for reasonable prices if they are unable to participate in the ILs post-ascension

This situation has been handled horribly by Riot games and does not bode well for the stability and growth of the vitally important T2 scene. It spells danger for the future.

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The Guard let all of their players go with no buy out btw, any team could just walk in pick them up for league minimum and go play in franchise

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queueK

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yeah, this is what I meant by "circumstances". I don't understand why they refuse to allow another organization to substitute their place in this situation.

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Its simple why : The Guard could have been bought off to not sign the agreement. This is not the same as signing free agents. It introduces the ability to get a spot without winning ascension.

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If they let riot choose the org then it could work.

At that point just re-brand the org.

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queueK

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That's a valid concern but, unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, haven't the Guard already let go of their players (and paid their terminations)? They would then be F/As at the current moment without any attachments to the Guard so it would be impossible for the Guard to prevent another organization from acquiring the roster.

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can we stop making assumptions and work off of facts?

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the guard players should just become and fa team and call themselves the guest

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They can't sell the spot if Riot chooses the org. Like how would they know who to sell to? Lfaria makes no sense

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i get what hes saying but its not like it was the players choice that their org fcked them up, so why are the players getting punished? surely there should be something to protect players who worked all year for this.

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If TTR won ascension and fail to find an org will they be kicked out? And if TTR decided to create their own org, would they go through? what is in this team participation agreement that even The Guard couldnt fulfill?