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pugboy [#2]ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it
bro what do you think dephh was
pugboy [#2]ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it
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Nachtel [#3]bro what do you think dephh was
I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically plus FNS is a way better caller and dephh wasn't even main igl on xset ayrin was so I mean thats all you need to know really if this sen roster got FNS over Marved they would be really good I would be confident in that especially because pANcada plays his normal smokes not his senti which isn't great
Warlordwibz [#4]If Chet comes along to SEN too, yes it would work. If Kaplan coach, inconsistent fluctuation performance as usual.
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pugboy [#8]I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically plus FNS is a way better caller and dephh wasn't even main igl on xset ayrin was so I mean thats all you need to know really if this sen roster got FNS over Marved they would be really good I would be confident in that especially because pANcada plays his normal smokes not his senti which isn't great
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I'm not saying I didn't believe you your logic just wouldn't make sense TenZ would be an infinitely times better player if he had someone micromanage him also Zekken has said he hates the puggy style of valorant multiple times as well as pANcada and Sacy just coming off a team that is very based on micromanaging and than you get arguably the best IGL in the world ya ggs
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not that kaplan is bad or incompetent, i think its fns who needs chet to work well
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I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain
pugboy [#12]I'm not saying I didn't believe you your logic just wouldn't make sense TenZ would be an infinitely times better player if he had someone micromanage him also Zekken has said he hates the puggy style of valorant multiple times as well as pANcada and Sacy just coming off a team that is very based on micromanaging and than you get arguably the best IGL in the world ya ggs
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pugboy [#15]I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain
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vipermommydomme [#13]it would work since pancada can go back to smokes
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ya okay bud got outaimed the calls were not good and they seemed to have no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get outaimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world
pugboy [#19]ya okay bud got outaimed the calls were not good and they seemed to have no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get outaimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world
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um the language barrier isnt as bad as you think it is pancada probably comms the most at sentinel you would know if you watchhed the comm videos plus extras at sen society which im subscirbed to
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they didn't have a real IGL what are you going to do keep the roster the same Marved is going to NRG doubt he stays with SEN so you are changing IGLS may as well get the best they also played shit against c9 and they didn't even play good against 100t should have destroyed them on pearl but there pearl was so one dimensional they would do the same thing every round if you don't believe me go watch the vod they didn't have enough ideas because they didn't have a good igl good luck with backing your take up again because it makes no sense
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no it woudnt as firstly they didnt have a deep strat book like a fnatic or nrg they had few strats and mainly picked one for one round and used it.
Secondly They had role issues even with marved this would benefit them as well as FNS being a micromanaging caller would help as sacy could be the 2nd caller as initiator like LOUD.
And Yes TenZ has stated he dosent like micromanaging igls he is not a stable holding type of pplayer he has stated he struggles holding angles and has ADHD and a micromanaging igl would benefit him
pugboy [#22]they didn't have a real IGL what are you going to do keep the roster the same Marved is going to NRG doubt he stays with SEN so you are changing IGLS may as well get the best they also played shit against c9 and they didn't even play good against 100t should have destroyed them on pearl but there pearl was so one dimensional they would do the same thing every round if you don't believe me go watch the vod they didn't have enough ideas because they didn't have a good igl good luck with backing your take up again because it makes no sense
Exactly what i stated i do analysis did it a one month ago with kru and navi and a lot of people liked my work.
Dephh isnt a micromanaging igl he mainly relied on ayrin's help with the calling ayrin micomanages but dephh give straight up calls like split b at this time after this player does this or smth like that
tomato211222 [#21]um the language barrier isnt as bad as you think it is pancada probably comms the most at sentinel you would know if you watchhed the comm videos plus extras at sen society which im subscirbed to
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tomato211222 [#25]Exactly what i stated i do analysis did it a one month ago with kru and navi and a lot of people liked my work.
Dephh isnt a micromanaging igl he mainly relied on ayrin's help with the calling ayrin micomanages but dephh give straight up calls like split b at this time after this player does this or smth like that
Thank god someone that knows what they're talking about
pugboy [#27]Thank god someone that knows what they're talking about
i would appreciate if you checked this thread of mine from a couple of weeks ago
https://www.vlr.gg/246853/kru
tomato211222 [#30]i would appreciate if you checked this thread of mine from a couple of weeks ago
https://www.vlr.gg/246853/kru
I did see this post ya KRU changed a shit ton a looked great excited for next year
pugboy [#32]I did see this post ya KRU changed a shit ton a looked great excited for next year
Imaginie if kru get kiing they would own \
and thanks for checking the post out
pugboy [#8]I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically plus FNS is a way better caller and dephh wasn't even main igl on xset ayrin was so I mean thats all you need to know really if this sen roster got FNS over Marved they would be really good I would be confident in that especially because pANcada plays his normal smokes not his senti which isn't great
Yo pugboy, I posted this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh for people like you back then!
And this regarding your "mechanical skill" argument: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1878804/fun-facts-about-dephh - if you want we can talk about how HS% reflects on one's mechanical skill. But, hopefully, you can see it yourself.
Though, I still see no arguments in your replies, and not that I ever asked from you to define or elaborate on what you are saying, right? - -
P.S. YOU NEED TO BASE your nonsense on something reasonable, since dumping rubbish from other shitshows on here doesn't seem convincing or original -seriously.
clocksky888 [#35]Yo pugboy, I posted this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh for people like you back then!
And this regarding your "mechanical skill" argument: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1878804/fun-facts-about-dephh - if you want we can talk about how HS% reflects on one's mechanical skill. But, hopefully, you can see it yourself.
Though, I still see no arguments in your replies, and not that I ever asked from you to define or elaborate on what you are saying, right? - -P.S. YOU NEED TO BASE your nonsense on something reasonable, since dumping rubbish from other shitshows on here doesn't seem convincing or original -seriously.
and yet one player is still in valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here
pugboy [#36]and yet one player is still in valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here
Elaborate on your BULLCRAP or GTFO together with your SHITSHOW-CLOWNFEST-like takes!
And yet you have no idea what you are talking about, not even trying to engage in rational discourse - bringing irrelevant BULLSHIT
Yeah, what a bright boi, please keep down fragging me. It is clear to me that you are incapable of doing anything else at this moment .
clocksky888 [#37]Elaborate on your BULLCRAP or GTFO together with your SHITSHOW-CLOWNFEST-like takes!
And yet you have no idea what you are talking about, not even trying to engage in rational discourse - bringing irrelevant BULLSHIT
Yeah, what a bright boi, please keep down fragging me. It is clear to me that you are incapable of doing anything else at this moment .
I didn't even downfrag you moron you sound really mad for no reason right now and why do you bold and italic your writing like your thread has meaning or something your delusional wasn't even that serious and this guys mad that Idgaf about his post for "guys like me" you sound stupid
Elaborate on your BULLCRAP or GTFO together with your SHITSHOW-CLOWNFEST-like takes!
like who writes like this bro especially on vlr you sound 50 LMAOOO
pugboy [#38]I didn't even downfrag you moron you sound really mad for no reason right now and why do you bold and italic your writing like your thread has meaning or something your delusional wasn't even that serious and this guys mad that Idgaf about his post for "guys like me" you sound stupid
Elaborate on your BULLCRAP or GTFO together with your SHITSHOW-CLOWNFEST-like takes!
like who writes like this bro especially on vlr you sound 50 LMAOOO
Don't lie, you weasel... If anything, we both know what I'm talking about; it's just that one of us doesn't want to confess it. Instead of regularly backing your ridiculous claims, you behave like a pitiful weasel... and this is not even for the first time.
I'll say it again, especially for you, ENGAGE in the TOPIC or GTFO! I don't care what you have to say on anything but the F-ING topic. SHOW me your knowledge, please, as I have doubts
Here, I'll help you to engage:
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You: "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically" - GTFO! Reread my post #35 and elaborate on those claim you made.
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You: "plus FNS is a way better caller - There is no proof to that, so I will let you out on this one.
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You: "ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it Again, define micromanaging, so hopefully I and others could understand what do you mean and how to approach it from your point of you and how it affect team playstyle which essentially should lead to some success, I guess, right?
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You: "I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain" Well, use your own brain and time - SHOW your workings --> as claims are too BIG, I'd say.
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You: no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get out aimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world - You contradict to yourself here --> Yes, you get STOMPED landing deep in negative, if OUTPLAYED - again, you're with your BS here... HolyyyF
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You: "and yet one player is still in Valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here" - How can you draw such parallel to conclude on the matter... ARE YOU BRAINDEAD? Are you saying that all those players who don't play S-TIER Valorant tourneys DESERVE it because they are bad? I don't see any rational behind your argument --> ELABORATE!
I can go forever like that... All you need is to explain yourself, which is frankly should not be a big of a deal. But for unknown reasons, it seems that it is a big deal for you. I mean, don't you have some data or simply some rational behind your takes?
I called you out on your BS, "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills. Even FNS outperforms Dephh mechanically" by linking to my old post, https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh - where Dephh was questioned about his capacity to perform, especially FNS vs. Dephh, and where you could clearly see that such accusations were always wrong and void of any appropriate evidence... from the below table ...
Name RD Rating ACS K/D ADR KPR APR DPR HS
Rory "Dephh" Jackson 5683 1 197.9 1.02 129.8 0.7 0.27 0.68 24.60%
Pujan "FNS" Mehta 7190 0.86 179 0.9 117.5 0.62 0.26 0.68 20.60%As well as this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1224492/controversial-opinion - where I already asked you to do the same damn thing as I'm asking you right now - A F-ING year+ later. Like WTF, kid? How many more times I should point out to your BS? Seriously, are you that incapable or what?
YET, your façade pathétique has the audacity of calling me a 50 year old or something? ... Are you that desperate in having a father like figure in your life? Fine, you can call me DADDY --> now, back to your homework, son
P.S. What a CRINE af son - you are.
Edit: Added --> "What a CRINE af son - you are"
clocksky888 [#39]Don't lie, you weasel... If anything, we both know what I'm talking about; it's just that one of us doesn't want to confess it. Instead of regularly backing your ridiculous claims, you behave like a pitiful weasel... and this is not even for the first time.
I'll say it again, especially for you, ENGAGE in the TOPIC or GTFO! I don't care what you have to say on anything but the F-ING topic. SHOW me your knowledge, please, as I have doubts
Here, I'll help you to engage:
You: "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically" - GTFO! Reread my post #35 and elaborate on those claim you made.
You: "plus FNS is a way better caller - There is no proof to that, so I will let you out on this one.
You: "ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it Again, define micromanaging, so hopefully I and others could understand what do you mean and how to approach it from your point of you and how it affect team playstyle which essentially should lead to some success, I guess, right?
You: "I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain" Well, use your own brain and time - SHOW your workings --> as claims are too BIG, I'd say.
You: no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get out aimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world - You contradict to yourself here --> Yes, you get STOMPED landing deep in negative, if OUTPLAYED - again, you're with your BS here... HolyyyF
You: "and yet one player is still in Valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here" - How can you draw such parallel to conclude on the matter... ARE YOU BRAINDEAD? Are you saying that all those players who don't play S-TIER Valorant tourneys DESERVE it because they are bad? I don't see any rational behind your argument --> ELABORATE!
I can go forever like that... All you need is to explain yourself, which is frankly should not be a big of a deal. But for unknown reasons, it seems that it is a big deal for you. I mean, don't you have some data or simply some rational behind your takes?
I called you out on your BS, "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills. Even FNS outperforms Dephh mechanically" by linking to my old post, https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh - where Dephh was questioned about his capacity to perform, especially FNS vs. Dephh, and where you could clearly see that such accusations were always wrong and void of any appropriate evidence... from the below table ...
Name RD Rating ACS K/D ADR KPR APR DPR HS Rory "Dephh" Jackson 5683 1 197.9 1.02 129.8 0.7 0.27 0.68 24.60% Pujan "FNS" Mehta 7190 0.86 179 0.9 117.5 0.62 0.26 0.68 20.60%As well as this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1224492/controversial-opinion - where I already asked you to do the same damn thing as I'm asking you right now - A F-ING year+ later. Like WTF, kid? How many more times I should point out to your BS? Seriously, are you that incapable or what?
YET, your façade pathétique has the audacity of calling me a 50 year old or something? ... Are you that desperate in having a father like figure in your life? Fine, you can call me DADDY --> now, back to your homework, son
P.S. What a CRINE af son - you are.
Edit: Added --> "What a CRINE af son - you are"
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO this guy might actually be special
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why is everyone in this thread so fucking stupid you don't even know what I am referring to when I say zekkens quote
pugboy [#40]LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO this guy might actually be special
I am CALLING you OUT on your BULLSHIT - seriously!
You got my attention, son 😘
clocksky888 [#42]I am CALLING you OUT on your BULLSHIT - seriously!
You got my attention, son 😘
bro what????
pugboy [#45]okay grandpa you do you
Now, back to the BULLSHIT part of yours -->https://www.vlr.gg/post/2742967/will-sen-fns-work
--> Elaborate on that or GTFO, son... And yes, I am calling you out - there.
clocksky888 [#46]Now, back to the BULLSHIT part of yours -->https://www.vlr.gg/post/2742967/will-sen-fns-work
--> Elaborate on that or GTFO, son... And yes, I am calling you out - there.
elaborate on why FNS is a better IGL then dephh???? this guys actually delusional this is just common sense
clocksky888 [#35]Yo pugboy, I posted this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh for people like you back then!
And this regarding your "mechanical skill" argument: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1878804/fun-facts-about-dephh - if you want we can talk about how HS% reflects on one's mechanical skill. But, hopefully, you can see it yourself.
Though, I still see no arguments in your replies, and not that I ever asked from you to define or elaborate on what you are saying, right? - -P.S. YOU NEED TO BASE your nonsense on something reasonable, since dumping rubbish from other shitshows on here doesn't seem convincing or original -seriously.
Although the stats are cool and all, they're not really relevant when the person you're comparing him to has a trophy and way more accomplishments under his belt.
Nachtel [#3]bro what do you think dephh was
dephh was literally THE WORST player on the season, and messed up all roles just for him to play flex and still lose...
pugboy [#47]elaborate on why FNS is a better IGL then dephh???? this guys actually delusional this is just common sense
Show your RATIONAL! No one is interested in your "he's good or he's bad" BS. Kiddo, you don't know me... similarly, I don't know you. So the only way is to find out through a discussion in a calm like nature, and with all necessary support available at hand. By support, I mean, support for your claims where needed <-- and I am very surprised that you have no idea what "Calling you out on your BS." means
So please, I am extremely interested in hearing what you have to say about my earlier post to you... try expanding in depth this time.: https://www.vlr.gg/post/2742967/will-sen-fns-work
Or exposed for BS, then, right? ... please receive
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So please, I am extremely interested in hearing what you have to say about my earlier post to you... try expanding in depth this time.: https://www.vlr.gg/post/2742967/will-sen-fns-work
Or exposed for BS, then, right? ... please receive
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you still won't and can't specify what you want me to elaborate on because if its why dephh is worse than FNS its just obvious everyone agrees with that its common sense
pugboy [#51]you still won't and can't specify what you want me to elaborate on because if its why dephh is worse than FNS its just obvious everyone agrees with that its common sense
This is precisely what I was expecting to hear from you --> No responsibility taken for your own claims.
Let me explain to you something... In Valorant or similar, we can still have EDUCATED or UNEDUCATED guesses ... that is, in this game or similar, we don't have straight FACTS, because not all of the information is disclosed or estimated... but we can and should engage in discussing the matter in a way of guesses/takes etc.
And those takes/guesses, however, normally belong to either the EDUCATED or UNEDUCATED groups.
Now, the UNEDUCATED group is simply known as BULLSHIT, which is basically, the takes similar to the one you're promoting here. And they will remain as bullshit until you provide some data on the matter. The EDUCATED group of guesses/takes, on the other hand, have the nature of only partially be true... yet despite not including all of the information in EDUCATED guesses/takes, you can still discuss the matter in close to objective reality of things, which is not a complete reality, or FACT, as there is nothing FACTUAL in any of our takes on here (including my takes), but only close to FACTUAL - near objective reality... and only by presenting partially available information you can accomplish that.
Jeeeee, kiddo, are you really that DUMB that I have to explain on how to critique your shit? What grade are you in?, ffs?
What a DEAD BRAIN, and not even FUN one, I swear 😐
clocksky888 [#37]Elaborate on your BULLCRAP or GTFO together with your SHITSHOW-CLOWNFEST-like takes!
And yet you have no idea what you are talking about, not even trying to engage in rational discourse - bringing irrelevant BULLSHIT
Yeah, what a bright boi, please keep down fragging me. It is clear to me that you are incapable of doing anything else at this moment .
First of all no one is specifically saying that fns is better dephh at fragging or mechanical skill its the fact that fns is a better micromanaging caller is what would suite sen and also the roles would make sense for once.
As even before lock-in i had mentioned that dephh isnt really a good site anchor and is a better smoke player but pancada was playing smokes. The Team with dephh according to me was never built for success
clocksky888 [#39]Don't lie, you weasel... If anything, we both know what I'm talking about; it's just that one of us doesn't want to confess it. Instead of regularly backing your ridiculous claims, you behave like a pitiful weasel... and this is not even for the first time.
I'll say it again, especially for you, ENGAGE in the TOPIC or GTFO! I don't care what you have to say on anything but the F-ING topic. SHOW me your knowledge, please, as I have doubts
Here, I'll help you to engage:
You: "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically" - GTFO! Reread my post #35 and elaborate on those claim you made.
You: "plus FNS is a way better caller - There is no proof to that, so I will let you out on this one.
You: "ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it Again, define micromanaging, so hopefully I and others could understand what do you mean and how to approach it from your point of you and how it affect team playstyle which essentially should lead to some success, I guess, right?
You: "I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain" Well, use your own brain and time - SHOW your workings --> as claims are too BIG, I'd say.
You: no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get out aimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world - You contradict to yourself here --> Yes, you get STOMPED landing deep in negative, if OUTPLAYED - again, you're with your BS here... HolyyyF
You: "and yet one player is still in Valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here" - How can you draw such parallel to conclude on the matter... ARE YOU BRAINDEAD? Are you saying that all those players who don't play S-TIER Valorant tourneys DESERVE it because they are bad? I don't see any rational behind your argument --> ELABORATE!
I can go forever like that... All you need is to explain yourself, which is frankly should not be a big of a deal. But for unknown reasons, it seems that it is a big deal for you. I mean, don't you have some data or simply some rational behind your takes?
I called you out on your BS, "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills. Even FNS outperforms Dephh mechanically" by linking to my old post, https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh - where Dephh was questioned about his capacity to perform, especially FNS vs. Dephh, and where you could clearly see that such accusations were always wrong and void of any appropriate evidence... from the below table ...
Name RD Rating ACS K/D ADR KPR APR DPR HS Rory "Dephh" Jackson 5683 1 197.9 1.02 129.8 0.7 0.27 0.68 24.60% Pujan "FNS" Mehta 7190 0.86 179 0.9 117.5 0.62 0.26 0.68 20.60%As well as this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1224492/controversial-opinion - where I already asked you to do the same damn thing as I'm asking you right now - A F-ING year+ later. Like WTF, kid? How many more times I should point out to your BS? Seriously, are you that incapable or what?
YET, your façade pathétique has the audacity of calling me a 50 year old or something? ... Are you that desperate in having a father like figure in your life? Fine, you can call me DADDY --> now, back to your homework, son
P.S. What a CRINE af son - you are.
Edit: Added --> "What a CRINE af son - you are"
You asked: define micromanaging :Micro Managing is a term used in esports to define a caller/igl who give specific callouts such as : crashies flash b for info me and yay will walk up a and then lets split a after making noise b.
Now do you understand what the basic term of micromanaging means. Even in your daily life sometimes mothers have to micromanage their children instead of telling their children to get ready for school they will make them ready for school.
And i dont think i have to prove that FNS is a better caller than Dephh and the proof your asking has only 1 case that is
SEN vs NRG Regular Season map 1 Dephh way of calling and their general adaptation(which comes from eitehr igl or coach) was not good.
The rest of the matches like Optic Vs XSET ayrin was also calling for XSET so i cant give you exact proof but Ayrin did most of the IGL work
clocksky888 [#52]This is precisely what I was expecting to hear from you --> No responsibility taken for your own claims.
Let me explain to you something... In Valorant or similar, we can still have EDUCATED or UNEDUCATED guesses ... that is, in this game or similar, we don't have straight FACTS, because not all of the information is disclosed or estimated... but we can and should engage in discussing the matter in a way of guesses/takes etc.
And those takes/guesses, however, normally belong to either the EDUCATED or UNEDUCATED groups.Now, the UNEDUCATED group is simply known as BULLSHIT, which is basically, the takes similar to the one you're promoting here. And they will remain as bullshit until you provide some data on the matter. The EDUCATED group of guesses/takes, on the other hand, have the nature of only partially be true... yet despite not including all of the information in EDUCATED guesses/takes, you can still discuss the matter in close to objective reality of things, which is not a complete reality, or FACT, as there is nothing FACTUAL in any of our takes on here (including my takes), but only close to FACTUAL - near objective reality... and only by presenting partially available information you can accomplish that.
Jeeeee, kiddo, are you really that DUMB that I have to explain on how to critique your shit? What grade are you in?, ffs?
What a DEAD BRAIN, and not even FUN one, I swear 😐
First Off Dephh is not a main caller. He and other members of XSET have stated that many times im pretty sure i dont have to show vods of that to you do i? Secondly FNS is one of best IGL'S That valorant has ever since also a known fact he outcalled Saadhak and if you think FNS is a bad igl I dont even know what to say. Comparing Dephh and Fns dosent make sense as dephh is not a main caller. But if he was which he was in Sentinels he got outcalled by FNS During the NRG VS Sen Regular Season
Nobody is hating on dephh he wasnt in his main role in 2023 and kinda is the reason they had problems if he had stuck to sentinel we woudnt have had the role issues and he wasnt playing the best as in K/D either
tomato211222 [#53]First of all no one is specifically saying that fns is better dephh at fragging or mechanical skill its the fact that fns is a better micromanaging caller is what would suite sen and also the roles would make sense for once.
As even before lock-in i had mentioned that dephh isnt really a good site anchor and is a better smoke player but pancada was playing smokes. The Team with dephh according to me was never built for success
"The Team with dephh according to me was never built for success" - and that's OK as it's your opinion - however, there were many who still think that it was good enough. Let's not discuss that as it has nothing to do with the matter.
That was one thing.... another thing - pugboy knows very well what I am asking from him, but he's playing dumb... and I was basing my conversation strictly on his BS - not what said or anything regarding your takes, which make me wonder: "why do you bother?"
Oh, just in case, I am also CANADIAN,... please, don't let my SCOTTISH flag to mislead you --> I am not originally from the place/s I reside or will reside in the future.
clocksky888 [#52]This is precisely what I was expecting to hear from you --> No responsibility taken for your own claims.
Let me explain to you something... In Valorant or similar, we can still have EDUCATED or UNEDUCATED guesses ... that is, in this game or similar, we don't have straight FACTS, because not all of the information is disclosed or estimated... but we can and should engage in discussing the matter in a way of guesses/takes etc.
And those takes/guesses, however, normally belong to either the EDUCATED or UNEDUCATED groups.Now, the UNEDUCATED group is simply known as BULLSHIT, which is basically, the takes similar to the one you're promoting here. And they will remain as bullshit until you provide some data on the matter. The EDUCATED group of guesses/takes, on the other hand, have the nature of only partially be true... yet despite not including all of the information in EDUCATED guesses/takes, you can still discuss the matter in close to objective reality of things, which is not a complete reality, or FACT, as there is nothing FACTUAL in any of our takes on here (including my takes), but only close to FACTUAL - near objective reality... and only by presenting partially available information you can accomplish that.
Jeeeee, kiddo, are you really that DUMB that I have to explain on how to critique your shit? What grade are you in?, ffs?
What a DEAD BRAIN, and not even FUN one, I swear 😐
I mean dephh rating this year 0.7 fns rating this year 0.91 so there goes your dumb rating take second dephh never main igl'd so he was never a good caller in the first place especially micromanaging caller so there is another reason FNS is better third highest place dephh has placed in a tourney 5-6th FNS has won a tournament two runner ups and 2 4th places so I mean somehow you are now losing an argument to someone who is supposedly in grade school alright buddy good luck dumb fuck
tomato211222 [#55]You asked: define micromanaging :Micro Managing is a term used in esports to define a caller/igl who give specific callouts such as : crashies flash b for info me and yay will walk up a and then lets split a after making noise b.
Now do you understand what the basic term of micromanaging means. Even in your daily life sometimes mothers have to micromanage their children instead of telling their children to get ready for school they will make them ready for school.
And i dont think i have to prove that FNS is a better caller than Dephh and the proof your asking has only 1 case that is
SEN vs NRG Regular Season map 1 Dephh way of calling and their general adaptation(which comes from eitehr igl or coach) was not good.
The rest of the matches like Optic Vs XSET ayrin was also calling for XSET so i cant give you exact proof but Ayrin did most of the IGL work
WTF, bro?
Are you pugboy?
Please, just let things get back where they should be.
clocksky888 [#60]WTF, bro?
Are you pugboy?
Please, just let things get back where they should be.
I've said the same thing with less detail sorry that you are losing an argument because your take is stupid
tomato211222 [#53]First of all no one is specifically saying that fns is better dephh at fragging or mechanical skill its the fact that fns is a better micromanaging caller is what would suite sen and also the roles would make sense for once.
As even before lock-in i had mentioned that dephh isnt really a good site anchor and is a better smoke player but pancada was playing smokes. The Team with dephh according to me was never built for success
this guys a moron don't bother embarrassing that he is canadian
pugboy [#61]I've said the same thing with less detail sorry that you are losing an argument because your take is stupid
Kid, just BUZZ OFF already!
Holyyyy... and take your boyfriend - rotten tomato211222 away from me! ... LMAO
clocksky888 [#63]Kid, just BUZZ OFF already!
Holyyyy... and take your boyfriend - rotten tomato211222 away from me! ... LMAO
okay so don't respond back to why fns is better ya this guys genuinely the stupidest person to grace this website and I have met some fucking idiots
pugboy [#62]this guys a moron don't bother embarrassing that he is canadian
I am CANADIAN too, you BISHHH 🙃😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🪵🪚
Let's have some ORGY, right here ... get down already LMAO .... HolyF, what a CRINGE show 🙃
clocksky888 [#63]Kid, just BUZZ OFF already!
Holyyyy... and take your boyfriend - rotten tomato211222 away from me! ... LMAO
First off i dont even know pugboy but he genrally is a good vlr user and secondly why are you mad that someone else has proven you wrong anyone can prove any one wrong if this was the case then pugboy stated all my points with less details.
Then even fking Neil's Bour wouldnt be proven wrong
clocksky888 [#65]I am CANADIAN too, you BISHHH 🙃😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🪵🪚
Let's have some ORGY, right here ... get down already LMAO .... HolyF, what a CRINGE show 🙃
... i didn't say u weren't just read
pugboy [#62]this guys a moron don't bother embarrassing that he is canadian
i know pugboy he is mad that i stated pure facts and i dont know why he is mad i cleared answered all his points i defined micromanaging with a real life example of a mother and her children which i think is pretty clear no? and i also stated that dephh isnt main igl so we cant compare them instead take their induviduval igl experience where FNS outcalled Dephh in the Regular season game
pugboy [#67]... i didn't say u weren't just read
Friendly fire then... what u doin ???
Stop throwing at me your toxic TOMATO 😂😂😂 Seriously LMAO!
tomato211222 [#68]i know pugboy he is mad that i stated pure facts and i dont know why he is mad i cleared answered all his points i defined micromanaging with a real life example of a mother and her children which i think is pretty clear no? and i also stated that dephh isnt main igl so we cant compare them instead take their induviduval igl experience where FNS outcalled Dephh in the Regular season game
its just a dumb argument impossible to talk to idiots because they have no argument even tho they seemingly think they do
pugboy [#59]I mean dephh rating this year 0.7 fns rating this year 0.91 so there goes your dumb rating take second dephh never main igl'd so he was never a good caller in the first place especially micromanaging caller so there is another reason FNS is better third highest place dephh has placed in a tourney 5-6th FNS has won a tournament two runner ups and 2 4th places so I mean somehow you are now losing an argument to someone who is supposedly in grade school alright buddy good luck dumb fuck
Exactly what i stated tho i dont know about that rating thingy
tomato211222 [#68]i know pugboy he is mad that i stated pure facts and i dont know why he is mad i cleared answered all his points i defined micromanaging with a real life example of a mother and her children which i think is pretty clear no? and i also stated that dephh isnt main igl so we cant compare them instead take their induviduval igl experience where FNS outcalled Dephh in the Regular season game
Right pugboy, we know that he is mad from pure facts?
clocksky888 [#69]Friendly fire then... what u doin ???
Stop throwing at me your toxic TOMATO 😂😂😂 Seriously LMAO!
huh?
tomato211222 [#71]Exactly what i stated tho i dont know about that rating thingy
just calculated FNC rating through every tourney and divided by how many tourneys he has played same for dephh
tomato211222 [#66]First off i dont even know pugboy but he genrally is a good vlr user and secondly why are you mad that someone else has proven you wrong anyone can prove any one wrong if this was the case then pugboy stated all my points with less details.
Then even fking Neil's Bour wouldnt be proven wrong
HERE I will repost, especially for you my, LOVELY and BULKY tomato .... but try but in detail and support your claims this time ...
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Don't lie, you weasel... If anything, we both know what I'm talking about; it's just that one of us doesn't want to confess it. Instead of regularly backing your ridiculous claims, you behave like a pitiful weasel... and this is not even for the first time.
I'll say it again, especially for you, ENGAGE in the TOPIC or GTFO! I don't care what you have to say on anything but the F-ING topic. SHOW me your knowledge, please, as I have doubts
Here, I'll help you to engage:
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You: "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically" - GTFO! Reread my post #35 and elaborate on those claim you made.
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You: "plus FNS is a way better caller - There is no proof to that, so I will let you out on this one.
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You: "ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it Again, define micromanaging, so hopefully I and others could understand what do you mean and how to approach it from your point of you and how it affect team playstyle which essentially should lead to some success, I guess, right?
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You: "I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain" Well, use your own brain and time - SHOW your workings --> as claims are too BIG, I'd say.
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You: no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get out aimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world - You contradict to yourself here --> Yes, you get STOMPED landing deep in negative, if OUTPLAYED - again, you're with your BS here... HolyyyF
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You: "and yet one player is still in Valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here" - How can you draw such parallel to conclude on the matter... ARE YOU BRAINDEAD? Are you saying that all those players who don't play S-TIER Valorant tourneys DESERVE it because they are bad? I don't see any rational behind your argument --> ELABORATE!
I can go forever like that... All you need is to explain yourself, which is frankly should not be a big of a deal. But for unknown reasons, it seems that it is a big deal for you. I mean, don't you have some data or simply some rational behind your takes?
I called you out on your BS, "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills. Even FNS outperforms Dephh mechanically" by linking to my old post, https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh - where Dephh was questioned about his capacity to perform, especially FNS vs. Dephh, and where you could clearly see that such accusations were always wrong and void of any appropriate evidence... from the below table ...
Name RD Rating ACS K/D ADR KPR APR DPR HS
Rory "Dephh" Jackson 5683 1 197.9 1.02 129.8 0.7 0.27 0.68 24.60%
Pujan "FNS" Mehta 7190 0.86 179 0.9 117.5 0.62 0.26 0.68 20.60%As well as this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1224492/controversial-opinion - where I already asked you to do the same damn thing as I'm asking you right now - A F-ING year+ later. Like WTF, kid? How many more times I should point out to your BS? Seriously, are you that incapable or what?
YET, your façade pathétique has the audacity of calling me a 50 year old or something? ... Are you that desperate in having a father like figure in your life? Fine, you can call me DADDY --> now, back to your homework, son
P.S. What a CRINE af son - you are.
Edit: Added --> "What a CRINE af son - you are"
clocksky888 [#80]HERE I will repost, especially for you my, LOVELY and BULKY tomato .... but try but in detail and support your claims this time ...
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Don't lie, you weasel... If anything, we both know what I'm talking about; it's just that one of us doesn't want to confess it. Instead of regularly backing your ridiculous claims, you behave like a pitiful weasel... and this is not even for the first time.I'll say it again, especially for you, ENGAGE in the TOPIC or GTFO! I don't care what you have to say on anything but the F-ING topic. SHOW me your knowledge, please, as I have doubts
Here, I'll help you to engage:
You: "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically" - GTFO! Reread my post #35 and elaborate on those claim you made.
You: "plus FNS is a way better caller - There is no proof to that, so I will let you out on this one.
You: "ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it Again, define micromanaging, so hopefully I and others could understand what do you mean and how to approach it from your point of you and how it affect team playstyle which essentially should lead to some success, I guess, right?
You: "I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain" Well, use your own brain and time - SHOW your workings --> as claims are too BIG, I'd say.
You: no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get out aimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world - You contradict to yourself here --> Yes, you get STOMPED landing deep in negative, if OUTPLAYED - again, you're with your BS here... HolyyyF
You: "and yet one player is still in Valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here" - How can you draw such parallel to conclude on the matter... ARE YOU BRAINDEAD? Are you saying that all those players who don't play S-TIER Valorant tourneys DESERVE it because they are bad? I don't see any rational behind your argument --> ELABORATE!
I can go forever like that... All you need is to explain yourself, which is frankly should not be a big of a deal. But for unknown reasons, it seems that it is a big deal for you. I mean, don't you have some data or simply some rational behind your takes?
I called you out on your BS, "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills. Even FNS outperforms Dephh mechanically" by linking to my old post, https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh - where Dephh was questioned about his capacity to perform, especially FNS vs. Dephh, and where you could clearly see that such accusations were always wrong and void of any appropriate evidence... from the below table ...
Name RD Rating ACS K/D ADR KPR APR DPR HS Rory "Dephh" Jackson 5683 1 197.9 1.02 129.8 0.7 0.27 0.68 24.60% Pujan "FNS" Mehta 7190 0.86 179 0.9 117.5 0.62 0.26 0.68 20.60%As well as this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1224492/controversial-opinion - where I already asked you to do the same damn thing as I'm asking you right now - A F-ING year+ later. Like WTF, kid? How many more times I should point out to your BS? Seriously, are you that incapable or what?
YET, your façade pathétique has the audacity of calling me a 50 year old or something? ... Are you that desperate in having a father like figure in your life? Fine, you can call me DADDY --> now, back to your homework, son
P.S. What a CRINE af son - you are.
Edit: Added --> "What a CRINE af son - you are"
what claims these aare facts not claims bro thats the whole point you go ask a fking kid he will tell you( i mean it in phrase way not in seriousness) every thing i said is a fact not a claim, claims need proofs facts dont
clocksky888 [#72]Right pugboy, we know that he is mad from pure facts?
Brother with all due respect pls tell me whats wrong with all my 4 posts which kinda prove you wrong these are the important points so you dont have to read the whole thing. These are facts they dont need profs everyone knows this already
You asked: define micromanaging :Micro Managing is a term used in esports to define a caller/igl who give specific callouts such as : crashies flash b for info me and yay will walk up a and then lets split a after making noise b.
Now do you understand what the basic term of micromanaging means. Even in your daily life sometimes mothers have to micromanage their children instead of telling their children to get ready for school they will make them ready for school.
Comparing Dephh and Fns dosent make sense as dephh is not a main caller. But if he was which he was in Sentinels he got outcalled by FNS During the NRG VS Sen Regular Season
First of all no one is specifically saying that fns is better dephh at fragging or mechanical skill its the fact that fns is a better micromanaging caller is what would suite sen and also the roles would make sense for once.
pugboy [#41]why is everyone in this thread so fucking stupid you don't even know what I am referring to when I say zekkens quote
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pugboy [#78]just calculated FNC rating through every tourney and divided by how many tourneys he has played same for dephh
I can hear you whispering here, my LOVELY couple 😂🍿
pugboy [#78]just calculated FNC rating through every tourney and divided by how many tourneys he has played same for dephh
makses sense
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not looking through every zekken tweet ever it was about fnatic winning and being dominant and how much he loved it and hated PRX style a lot
pugboy [#89]not looking through every zekken tweet ever it was about fnatic winning and being dominant and how much he loved it and hated PRX style a lot
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ya I mean sure wtv I say his bull fuck but if you say its fine "half the shit zekken tweets he be pulling out his ass" okay bud nice argument you can go embarass yourself and look for the tweet but I don't want to or care to argue anymore about such a dumb take
pugboy [#92]ya I mean sure wtv I say his bull fuck but if you say its fine "half the shit zekken tweets he be pulling out his ass" okay bud nice argument you can go embarass yourself and look for the tweet but I don't want to or care to argue anymore about such a dumb take
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this guys an idiot you can look through the whole forum so much evidence there not rewriting anything for a moron like you
tomato211222 [#85]Brother with all due respect pls tell me whats wrong with all my 4 posts which kinda prove you wrong these are the important points so you dont have to read the whole thing. These are facts they dont need profs everyone knows this already
You asked: define micromanaging :Micro Managing is a term used in esports to define a caller/igl who give specific callouts such as : crashies flash b for info me and yay will walk up a and then lets split a after making noise b.
Now do you understand what the basic term of micromanaging means. Even in your daily life sometimes mothers have to micromanage their children instead of telling their children to get ready for school they will make them ready for school.
Comparing Dephh and Fns dosent make sense as dephh is not a main caller. But if he was which he was in Sentinels he got outcalled by FNS During the NRG VS Sen Regular Season
First of all no one is specifically saying that fns is better dephh at fragging or mechanical skill its the fact that fns is a better micromanaging caller is what would suite sen and also the roles would make sense for once.
KID, there is no need for him to have a defensive team! It's not a F-ing court here and I questioned him about something I wanted him to talk about. PERIOD.
Holyyy... what do you want from me? I didn't even read what you had to say because you weren't present throughout my talk with pugboy, neither you were a part of my conversation with him here: https://www.vlr.gg/121275/controversial-opinion/#30 ... I was strictly talking to pugboy - not YOU, ffs! LMAO ... I just can't....GOOD morning CANADO!
Here's a cookie for you -🍪... NOW, buzz OFF!
pugboy [#94]this guys an idiot you can look through the whole forum so much evidence there not rewriting anything for a moron like you
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huh? you have all the information in your face on the thread your the lazy one just go look why would I keep on repeating myself to two idiots
clocksky888 [#95]KID, there is no need for him to have a defensive team! It's not a F-ing court here and I questioned him about something I wanted him to talk about. PERIOD.
Holyyy... what do you want from me? I didn't even read what you had to say because you weren't present throughout my talk with pugboy, neither you were a part of my conversation with him here: https://www.vlr.gg/121275/controversial-opinion/#30 ... I was strictly talking to pugboy - not YOU, ffs! LMAO ... I just can't....GOOD morning CANADO!
Here's a cookie for you -🍪... NOW, buzz OFF!
Im not talking about that previous thread of your and also i read every single post of you and pugboy so what makes you think i cant join a conversation im just asking whats wrong with my opinion and you keep using this italin font im guessing for what to make your arguement sound better? Its just a discussion and anyone can join if you want it between you and pugboy then do it in dms not in a thread
pugboy [#98]huh? you have all the information in your face on the thread your the lazy one just go look why would I keep on repeating myself to two idiots
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an issue FNS is not going to fix
That's a bold statement. Marved was the best player mechanically on Optic next to yay and fragged like crazy. Of course it's harder to consistently win those duels when you're IGLing and have to focus on the macro a lot more.
Saying Marved is not good enough mechanically and no change in team structure could remedy that is wild.
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I have no evidence yep thats why I am refusing to not that the evidence is in the thread and if you scrolled like two times you would see it come on fat ass stop being lazy no more excuses
Breloof [#103]an issue FNS is not going to fix
That's a bold statement. Marved was the best player mechanically on Optic next to yay and fragged like crazy. Of course it's harder to consistently win those duels when you're IGLing and have to focus on the macro a lot more.
Saying Marved is not good enough mechanically and no change in team structure could remedy that is wild.
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pugboy [#104]I have no evidence yep thats why I am refusing to not that the evidence is in the thread and if you scrolled like two times you would see it come on fat ass stop being lazy no more excuses
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Im actually so pressed rn genuinely sorry this shit just bothers me starts at #35
pugboy [#108]Im actually so pressed rn genuinely sorry this shit just bothers me starts at #35
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pugboy [#108]Im actually so pressed rn genuinely sorry this shit just bothers me starts at #35
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dude thank you Istg this fucking other idiot got me so mad its not even funny I swear im not usually like this i apologize I just hate vlr users sometimes
pugboy [#111]dude thank you Istg this fucking other idiot got me so mad its not even funny I swear im not usually like this i apologize I just hate vlr users sometimes
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DDot [#73]Zekken
FNS
Sacy
Pancada
Aspas
would be a good team ngl
yeah i was considering johnqt before this fns thing, now if sentinels do all this changes it is going to be even better, it will be basically the old loud + zekken (much more potential flex than saadhak) and fns which is not the best mechanically but still goated igl
pugboy [#78]just calculated FNC rating through every tourney and divided by how many tourneys he has played same for dephh
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO this guy might actually be special
I-JUST-can't anymore 😂😂😂
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