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"This really gives insight into your thought process. You think your own subjective assessment of past results is more accurate, than that of thousands of sports-bettors, therefore you will always know which team is favored beforehand."

Yawn. This is getting tiring, having to explain the same thing over and over again to you, before your tiny brain can comprehend it. It's not subjective, it's objective. Sports bettors dont change the fact that Andbox was favoured. Andbox was objectively favoured because of their results. Its as simple as that. 1+1=2. Gen G were garbage for months on end, not even top 10 NA. Tier 2 team, like TSM. Andbox has been a consistent top 8 NA for the past 2-3 months. It's obvious and objectively true that abx were favourites.

"Great. I don't care about your words anymore, also learn to use quote blocks so people can actually understand what part you're responding to and what's your writing.

I want you to put your mouth where your money is. Start your pickems on the EU challengers qualifiers and we'll compare your success rate of determining which team is favored to the sports bettors."

Ok cool, so you realize that your argument is wrong yet you're too stubborn to admit it. and again, I'm not doing this challenge with you, because it has no relevance to the argument, and it wont prove you right at all. Even if the favoured team that I objectively find out on based on relevant match results and feats differs from sports bettors, it doesnt change the fact that I'm right.

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ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8

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So you're too afraid to do the pickems? I wonder why. Lmao, anyways nice talking to you, you are definitely an interesting personality.

#78

dignityx3

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I'm not afraid at all, it's just that it'd be annoying to have to argue with you again and explain why your argument is wrong again if my pick'em for favourites differed from bettors even though my favourite would be based on facts and objective results and accomplishments. Also, not every match-up has a clear favourite. A match like Guild vs. BDS doesnt have a clear favourite, or even G2 vs FPX. We could do it for fun though, I've already made my pickem. Here it is. https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/3e408a22

#83

ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8

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Of course, no match has a clear favorite, the only thing we're looking for is the classification of making a team "favored" over another, which is making the determination, that one team is more likely to win(doesn't mean they will, but you have a reason to believe, that they are more likely to win). That's why odds exist, there is a certain probability that one team will win and there is another probability that the other team will win. If one team has a higher probability than the other, it means the team is favored, but this probability varies, some are clear others are not.

Anyways thanks for making the pick'em. I don't think the result will prove you wrong, or me right, it's just a fun experiment.

#85

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No, many matches have clear favourites. Sen vs Sq had sen as the clear favourite.

"Of course, no match has a clear favorite, the only thing we're looking for is the classification of making a team "favored" over another, which is making the determination, that one team is more likely to win(doesn't mean they will, but you have a reason to believe, that they are more likely to win). That's why odds exist, there is a certain probability that one team will win and there is another probability that the other team will win. If one team has a higher probability than the other, it means the team is favored, but this probability varies, some are clear others are not.

Anyways thanks for making the pick'em. I don't think the result will prove you wrong, or me right, it's just a fun experiment."

As for this, I'm not quite sure why you're stating obvious facts to me, based on my stances in the argument I think it's obvious that I realize those facts, its what I was arguing the whole time, that the team that is favoured is more likely to win, and only when they're favoured to win clearly can you call them favoured. 'Slightly' favoured isnt really favoured at all, its more of a preference or opinion, generally favourites are clear. But yeah, the pick'em is just for fun and shit.

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ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8

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I was referring to the EU qualifier playoffs, not in general, just to be clear.

#91

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Ah, but even then, in the playoffs, there are still some clear favourites or even slight favourites. Liquid vs fnatic, fnatic are the favourites there for sure, they dominated liquid at iceland and are just a better team overall with tactical depth and talent. Acend vs Rix GG, acend are CLEAR favourites there, even harder than fnatic against liquid.

#92

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Rix.GG I can agree on actually, Fnatic, I'm not quite so sure, it feels like they start slow and then rev up in most tournaments + the way Liquid switched up their roles gives me more promise for them. "Squeaky bum time" as Boaster puts it. If I had to put probabilities on that it would be something like 80% for Fnatic and 20% for Liquid.

Alas the bettors disagree with both of us on Fnatic.

#93

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Well yeah, no matter how you look at it, fnatic are the favourites. This is a prime example of betting not being reliable actually, because factually and objectively Fnatic are much more likely to win. They dominated Liquid before, and were #1 EU plus got 2nd at the masters lan, on top of having much more tactical depth. The accomplishments just go in their favour. Bettors going for liquid dont change the fact that fnatic are FAVOURED to win objectively, based on actual feats and results between the two teams. But yeah, this match-up wont be as one sided as it was in masters 2, where fnc 2-0'd liquid. It will be 2-1 Fnatic probably.

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Fnatic beating liquid, empirical proof of betting odds not being reliable! Liquid had the better odds, by a lot, yet lost. But guess what, the favoured pick by match results, Fnatic, won!

#118

ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8

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Well, Liquid had odds of 1.8 and Fnatic had odds of 1.9 pre-match, so actually it was a very strong prediction considering how close the actual game was!

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