What do we see Vanity doing next year?

I ask this question with the intention of having a genuine conversation and not just people randomly typing "FNS clears" or "he's trash"

What are people's thoughts on Vanity not as a player but as an IGL? I feel like with the recent Ascension results, everyone's eyes are on JQ and Flyuh as the 2 guys that really stood out and showed they could lead a team of both proven and unproven players, and put them in a position to succeed. Obviously coaching and having "secondary IGLS" who can also have input during the game like depth/ayrin did on XSET, or Zander/JQ on m80 also have an effect on how mid-rounding plays out, but how do we all feel about Valyn?

I think when he was on c9 and the team had a clear vision of roles they had a ton of success, and personally even though c9 got better when they dropped Diablo and him, the team was still clunky as hell. I mean in their last series 2 of their players played a different agent on each map, and in times completely different roles.

Also, I think it's tough to really lay the hammer on him when it comes to the SR squad, he joined mid-tourney, and building chemistry that abruptly is difficult.

Again this is all my opinion but what are y'all thoughts on him? I think the dude is really talented, and at least from what we saw before in 2021/22, he was widely regarded as a great IGL. Its easy to have recency bias and judge, but one thing we also have to look at is the MASSIVE lack of talented and more importantly seasoned(veteran) IGLs. Depth was a huge flop, stellar isn't looking well stellar, marved could get a shot but i think everyone can agree that he needs tons more experience to really see if that role fits him.

Thoughts?

to the people who took the time to read and reply, thank you

decent but dont see any franchised team getting him

well see him flipping whoppers at McDonald's next year

top 3 igl in emea 🗿

Vanity is a fraud

depth clears dephh🗿

prob will be on a solid T2 team next year

OXG def comes to mind if vanity can learn to play sentinel

aint

He feels too loose in his calling for the modern valorant

Imo on a scale of vanity to dephh, most IGLs should be in the middle, a little on the dephh side in terms of micromanaging their teams

Nachtel [#9]

He feels too loose in his calling for the modern valorant

Imo on a scale of vanity to dephh, most IGLs should be in the middle, a little on the dephh side in terms of micromanaging their teams

Depth almost has a steel issue i feel, steel is on the extreme though and i love the guy but if the first 7 seconds of the round do go as planned its chaos, at least with a young team. It worked on 100t because everyone besides asuna was a cs OG

It'll be interesting to see where he ends up. Like, which teams would realistically change their IGL right now?
In NA:

• NRG and EG: Even if they flop at champs, they probably won't change the IGL
• 100T: only a possibility for vanity if they drop both stellar and bang imo (I guess vanity played initiators for SR, but I'm pretty sure he prefers smokes). It's not out of the question, a lot of IGLs don't really play the same role as stellar, so if they do decide to rebuild the team around another IGL, at least one more player will be on the chopping block. bang is great but sometimes it just doesn't work out. It's also possible that 100T only make changes to their coaching staff though. On the other hand johnqt also slots into stellar's role quite nicely and could be an option for 100T
• C9: While jakee and Runi were never the plan A, they were pretty good throughout a majority of the season (though they choked twice in important playoff games). I think there's a good chance that C9 hang on to their roster for at least the first split of 2024. Jakee and Runi likely still won't really get the highest salaries, and signing a bigger name might be too much of a risk. They've shown they can compete.
• SEN: They will definitely make changes. I highly doubt Marved will stay on the IGL role. It was a decent temporary solution, but I would be surprised if that was their long term plan. But I also think they will probably keep Marved on the roster, which means I think vanity wouldn't be the ideal IGL to sign either, since again I think his smokes are better than his initiators.

So quite honestly I think there's a good chance he will not end up on a tier 1 NA team at all.

In EMEA, the teams with a clear IGL problem are TH, Vitality and KC. KC is not an option for language reasons. TH and Vit will definitely sign an IGL in the off season, and I would not be surprised if he was pretty high up on their lists. It could be a realistic option (IF he is actually willing to move to Berlin. It's a big decision)

That being said, I do believe johnqt is the hotter commodity at the moment, but since they tend to play very different roles, it might come down to the orgs' vision for the entire team much more than just to the question "which IGL is better".

But also, I am very stupid, so most of what I say is probably poo poo garbage.

WinterZ20 [#7]

prob will be on a solid T2 team next year

OXG def comes to mind if vanity can learn to play sentinel

Why does he need to learn sentinel? They should just move Mitch back to sentinel and he can play flex igl

SoundStream [#10]

Depth almost has a steel issue i feel, steel is on the extreme though and i love the guy but if the first 7 seconds of the round do go as planned its chaos, at least with a young team. It worked on 100t because everyone besides asuna was a cs OG

Asuna was from CS too, he played on the high tier MDL teams

will be sitting next to goldenboy next year sadly hes desk bound

he was streaming CS but stopped, maybe he’ll be in the VCL again or be a full time desk analyst for americas

BayArea [#12]

Why does he need to learn sentinel? They should just move Mitch back to sentinel and he can play flex igl

Nah I like mitch on this initiator role he can stay on it

Rustun defo needs to go tho that dude is straight dog

he was good for c9 but he was shit on the initiator roles for shopify. idk hes pickup able for 100t and a few tier 2 na teams

WinterZ20 [#16]

Nah I like mitch on this initiator role he can stay on it

Rustun defo needs to go tho that dude is straight dog

How do you like Mitch on initiator when he’s fragging like FNS

BayArea [#18]

How do you like Mitch on initiator when he’s fragging like FNS

his KAY/O is great, just give him more of that and then its gna be good

ntm this is like his first 6 months playing initiator, im sure hell get better on it with time