Imo he's borderline top 3 initiator in the world, just needs a better team. I think once he gets on a better team he will have a mvp calibre showing like Leo did
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How highly do VLR users rate Giants Cloud?
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danii1 [#3]HES INSANE
I don't think i've been as impressed with anyone not named Leo or Crashies when it comes to initiator play
Yessirskiiii [#4]I don't think i've been as impressed with anyone not named Leo or Crashies when it comes to initiator play
YEAH HES WAY TOO OVERLOOKED
HOPEFULLY GIANTS GET IN CHAMPS THROUGH LCQ
gamr [#8]overrated asf, prob not even a top 10 initiator worldwide
LOL i know you actually have a good understanding of Valorant and don't believe this. Give me your real take
Yessirskiiii [#9]LOL i know you actually have a good understanding of Valorant and don't believe this. Give me your real take
in no particular order, i prefer
Leo
crashies
Shao
nzr
zekken if he counts
arguably Sacy
Jamppi
and arguably cauanzin
trent
so Cloud is probably around 10th
gamr [#11]in no particular order, i prefer
Leo
crashies
Shao
nzr
zekken if he counts
arguably Sacy
Jamppi
and arguably cauanzin
trentso Cloud is probably around 10th
So you haven't seen him play then, fair enough. Also Shao has been playing controller for a while now so i didn't put his name in the convo because of that
Yessirskiiii [#12]So you haven't seen him play then, fair enough. Also Shao has been playing controller for a while now so i didn't put his name in the convo because of that
ive seen him play plenty, i know who is better
gamr [#11]in no particular order, i prefer
Leo
crashies
Shao
nzr
zekken if he counts
arguably Sacy
Jamppi
and arguably cauanzin
trentso Cloud is probably around 10th
bro never watched cloud
Asuna_Yuuki [#16]He’s overrated.
Everyone swears he is underrated which makes him overrated
Man has been so mediocre this split
Many initiator players better than him imo
so you mean if people calls someone underrated that means he is overrated? wtf
benmaimoon [#15]top 5 itw at least (initiator)
Crashies cauanzin Leo shao(when he does play init) f0rsaken stax/zest soulcas sacy are all better
benmaimoon [#18]so you mean if people calls someone underrated that means he is overrated? wtf
if an entire community calls him underrated then he becomes overrated yes
Asuna_Yuuki [#19]Crashies cauanzin Leo shao(when he does play init) f0rsaken stax/zest soulcas sacy are all better
Troll list or you never saw Cloud play. Only Leo, Shao (when ini) and Crashies are better. Soulcas, f0rsaken and stax(?) or zest aren't Cloud level. Cauanzin is very good but Cloud is still better
benmaimoon [#18]so you mean if people calls someone underrated that means he is overrated? wtf
Yes. If EVERYONE calls him underrated then he is no longer underrated. He is overrated
Yessirskiiii [#22]Troll list or you never saw Cloud play. Only Leo, Shao (when ini) and Crashies are better. Soulcas, f0rsaken and stax(?) or zest aren't Cloud level. Cauanzin is very good but Cloud is still better
Bro cloud has been so mediocre this season though.
Just look at how he has been performing in all of his matches
Asuna_Yuuki [#24]Bro cloud has been so mediocre this season though.
Just look at how he has been performing in all of his matches
Mediocre?????? Yup that just confirmed you literally didn't watch him play
Yessirskiiii [#22]Troll list or you never saw Cloud play. Only Leo, Shao (when ini) and Crashies are better. Soulcas, f0rsaken and stax(?) or zest aren't Cloud level. Cauanzin is very good but Cloud is still better
You can’t even compare Cauanzin and Cloud btw.
Cauanzin is the real most underrated player
Cauanzin has consistent performances every game is definitely the 3rd best initiator in the world behind Leo and crashies.
F0rsaken has been tearing up the competition on init and soulcas has been so clutch and good for liquid as well. And yea maybe I went too far with stax or zest but players like Sacy are still better than him
Yessirskiiii [#25]Mediocre?????? Yup that just confirmed you literally didn't watch him play
Bro he was terrible in playoffs and decent in regular season.
Why do people overrate this man so much???
Asuna_Yuuki [#23]Yes. If EVERYONE calls him underrated then he is no longer underrated. He is overrated
He is top 10 rating wise in EMEA league on a mid team. Arguably been the 2nd best initiator in a region that has the best initiators. Eye test tells me theres only 2 initiators definitely better (not counting Shao)
Yistyy [#27]He had a few good games early on, but then disappeared for the rest of the season. He's mid and overrated
#29 you didn't watch him play a single game i guarantee
Asuna_Yuuki [#28]Bro he was terrible in playoffs and decent in regular season.
Why do people overrate this man so much???
He had one bad game where they got stomped. Top 10 in ratings counting all EMEA players on a mid team. Carrying Giants the whole season, the 2nd best initiator in a region with the best initiators. Just admit you didn't watch him play
Asuna_Yuuki [#23]Yes. If EVERYONE calls him underrated then he is no longer underrated. He is overrated
how many threads you ever seen about Cloud so far? tell me
Yessirskiiii [#25]Mediocre?????? Yup that just confirmed you literally didn't watch him play
What results/evidence do you have that Cloud is better than those mentioned above
Asuna_Yuuki [#33]What results/evidence do you have that Cloud is better than those mentioned above
Eye test, understanding of the game, actually watching all of those play unlike you who only watches Americas games and waffles random nonsense
Yessirskiiii [#31]He had one bad game where they got stomped. Top 10 in ratings counting all EMEA players on a mid team. Carrying Giants the whole season, the 2nd best initiator in a region with the best initiators. Just admit you didn't watch him play
let them waffle bro. they wont understand anyway
Yessirskiiii [#34]Eye test, understanding of the game, actually watching all of those play unlike you who only watches Americas games and waffles random nonsense
Bro I watch EMEA too.
Results, statistics, and eye test(which is subjective) all point to Cloud not being a top initiator in the world
benmaimoon [#36]let them waffle bro. they wont understand anyway
I don't get why they act like they watch too. Someone that says Cloud is mediocre, for a fact has never seen him play
Yessirskiiii [#30]#29 you didn't watch him play a single game i guarantee
I have watched him, and trust me he is average at best. There are even plenty of tier 2 NA initiators that are superior in his role.
benmaimoon [#32]how many threads you ever seen about Cloud so far? tell me
Not many BUT every thread I’ve ever seen about cloud is about him being underrated
Asuna_Yuuki [#37]Bro I watch EMEA too.
Results, statistics, and eye test(which is subjective) all point to Cloud not being a top initiator in the world
Results: on a mediocre team
Statistics: 2nd best initiator in the league, doing that on a mediocre team
Eye test: elite util, incredible mechanics and clutch
Yessirskiiii [#29]He is top 10 rating wise in EMEA league on a mid team. Arguably been the 2nd best initiator in a region that has the best initiators. Eye test tells me theres only 2 initiators definitely better (not counting Shao)
I can accept that he is one of the top initiators in EMEA, but he is definitely not one of the top initiators in the world
Yessirskiiii [#29]He is top 10 rating wise in EMEA league on a mid team. Arguably been the 2nd best initiator in a region that has the best initiators. Eye test tells me theres only 2 initiators definitely better (not counting Shao)
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Asuna_Yuuki [#43]I can accept that he is one of the top initiators in EMEA, but he is definitely not one of the top initiators in the world
He is a top 5 initiator in the world. Will be common knowledge once he gets a decent team. Also EMEA has the best initiators in the world so if he's a top EMEA ini then he's also a... fill in the blank
Yessirskiiii [#39]I don't get why they act like they watch too. Someone that says Cloud is mediocre, for a fact has never seen him play
Bro I’ve watched most Giants games this season
The fact is that you have barely any objective reasoning that proves that Cloud is a top initiator in the world
Asuna_Yuuki [#46]Bro I’ve watched most Giants games this season
The fact is that you have barely any objective reasoning that proves that Cloud is a top initiator in the world
#42 nt
Yessirskiiii [#42]Results: on a mediocre team
Statistics: 2nd best initiator in the league, doing that on a mediocre team
Eye test: elite util, incredible mechanics and clutch
F Tier stats tbh na clowns clears him easily
Yessirskiiii [#45]He is a top 5 initiator in the world. Will be common knowledge once he gets a decent team. Also EMEA has the best initiators in the world so if he's a top EMEA ini then he's also a... fill in the blank
Americas has the best initiators in the world bro. Crashies, cauanzin, sacy, nzr all top initiators
Asuna_Yuuki [#50]Americas has the best initiators in the world bro. Crashies, cauanzin, sacy, nzr all top initiators
Another L take. Trexx, Cloud, Jamppi, Shao and Leo clear so hard
GreyDaze [#58]Was fantastic in regular season and kinda bad in playoffs which deflated his stats but he was still top 10. Potential to be top 5 initators itw easily
He already is top 5 ini itw
WinterZ20 [#60]top 3 is a stretch but he is an excellent player yes
Ok so i will say i should of said "you can make an argument that he's top 3". Sometimes i get lazy and don't complete the sentence u know
Yessirskiiii [#61]Ok so i will say i should of said "you can make an argument that he's top 3". Sometimes i get lazy and don't complete the sentence u know
allg g Cloud will pop off against KC trust
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