Indo choose not to play because the organizer consider the bug abuse apparently is just a "minor violation" and doesnt require any punishment.
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TMosura [#2]WHICH is consistent with previous handling of the situation. Minor bug violations have been either a full map restart or a rollback. Rollback was imminent, but it was clear that the Indonesian management wanted a harsher punishment. Unlucky, it is what it is.
Do u think they were pushing their luck a bit too far for wanting more than a map rollback so they ffed or was it justified?
Pogtestic [#4]Do u think they were pushing their luck a bit too far for wanting more than a map rollback so they ffed or was it justified?
Definitely pushing their luck a bit too far, imo.
totneK_kaT_umkaM [#3]https://twitter.com/esportsid_/status/1656476003320098816?t=x7qNb5bx7bOcD96zv_v3hQ&s=19
not everyone here indonesian and i believe we've a better forum to discuss in bahasa rather than here, thats why i dont put that link.
TMosura [#2]WHICH is consistent with previous handling of the situation. Minor bug violations have been either a full map restart or a rollback. Rollback was imminent, but it was clear that the Indonesian management wanted a harsher punishment. Unlucky, it is what it is.
Team still on stage till 4.
Match play at 8.
At 9 the stage will be used for Pubg mobile.
Even with rollback, the mind and body condition add the rush for next event.
The situation clearly not condusive at all.
TMosura [#2]WHICH is consistent with previous handling of the situation. Minor bug violations have been either a full map restart or a rollback. Rollback was imminent, but it was clear that the Indonesian management wanted a harsher punishment. Unlucky, it is what it is.
is it some insider info that we're looking for full DQ or is it just me missing a piece of information?
NotMidUser [#10]Should’ve just map reset or gave points to indo for the amount of bug cams used.
Forcing sg to completely dq is a bit too far imo
Timeout was so long that another bo3 could've been played during that time lol. I definitely feel there is more going on, or the player's feelings got in the way of fair competition.
TMosura [#2]WHICH is consistent with previous handling of the situation. Minor bug violations have been either a full map restart or a rollback. Rollback was imminent, but it was clear that the Indonesian management wanted a harsher punishment. Unlucky, it is what it is.
Honestly whichever the punishment its a bit unfair for both teams. sg shouldnt be dq'd for a bug that is never communicated, but still they should've known better. But bug abuse in pro play is just as severe as cheating imo. These situations would never happen if riot hire BabyJ as their cypher cam bug checker
StrafingGoatWoweeClap [#11]is it some insider info that we're looking for full DQ or is it just me missing a piece of information?
Several instagram stories and convos have definitely implied that Indonesia wanted an FF or at least a harsher punishment than a rollback.
the reason why sgp cypher use it bcs valorant mysg allowed to use the cypher cam(https://imgur.com/a/Q3JAu70), Has the valorant mysg admin never seen the rulebook from Riot?
TMosura [#2]WHICH is consistent with previous handling of the situation. Minor bug violations have been either a full map restart or a rollback. Rollback was imminent, but it was clear that the Indonesian management wanted a harsher punishment. Unlucky, it is what it is.
this is so embarassing tbh, it's not even a bug (according to fayde anyway). good that they FF tho.
luckypleb [#20]this is so embarassing tbh, it's not even a bug (according to fayde anyway). good that they FF tho.
it sure is embarassing if its not but lil bro, do you actually listen to him? 💀
tbh im not taking any sides but I can understand why they consider this a minor offense
1) The cypher cam should be able to see players at A lobby/main before the round starts. However, from what I can see, the Indonesian team could not be seen (at most the enemy cypher cam)
2) If the cypher cam can see the players before the round start, the player would then call the entire team to prepare for a A push. In this case, the cypher had not seen anyone and the SG team seemed to start rotating only when the viper's wall came up.
3) Indonesia still won that same round and economy of both teams are generally not affecting the team that called the bug (Indonesia)
Xffero [#19]the reason why sgp cypher use it bcs valorant mysg allowed to use the cypher cam(https://imgur.com/a/Q3JAu70), Has the valorant mysg admin never seen the rulebook from Riot?
real xffero?
Gamingaids [#22]tbh im not taking any sides but I can understand why they consider this a minor offense
1) The cypher cam should be able to see players at A lobby/main before the round starts. However, from what I can see, the Indonesian team could not be seen (at most the enemy cypher cam)
2) If the cypher cam can see the players before the round start, the player would then call the entire team to prepare for a A push. In this case, the cypher had not seen anyone and the SG team seemed to start rotating only when the viper's wall came up.
3) Indonesia still won that same round and economy of both teams are generally not affecting the team that called the bug (Indonesia)
I think we never knew the truth except they can investigate the comms or see the whole cypher vod.
Also I see somewhere, that the other "illegal" cam is also used by SG when they were on attacking side. It's illegal because before the match, the organizer told to the Indonesian team that it was not allowed to use which made the Indonesian cypher did not used it during attacking side...
gonfreacks [#24]I think we never knew the truth except they can investigate the comms or see the whole cypher vod.
Also I see somewhere, that the other "illegal" cam is also used by SG when they were on attacking side. It's illegal because before the match, the organizer told to the Indonesian team that it was not allowed to use which made the Indonesian cypher did not used it during attacking side...
source?
RebelHeartXO [#15]SMH Cambodia
hopefully Opal and Riot SEA should be on site in the next SEA Games and possibly Asian Games (might be handled by Riot JP since Japans hosting it in 2026)
The Indonesian teams already did an appeal to Riot, but still since its not Riot's official tournament so they cant take any decision or punishment.
The decision is fully on the committee
TMosura [#2]WHICH is consistent with previous handling of the situation. Minor bug violations have been either a full map restart or a rollback. Rollback was imminent, but it was clear that the Indonesian management wanted a harsher punishment. Unlucky, it is what it is.
why wouldnt INDOs take the map and go map 3? wtf
wartkaros [#26]and they abused that bug at 5-3
And regardless, it was deemed a minor offense, similar to BOOM vs BLEED, BOOM vs X10, SSET vs FPX, and ACEND vs VK
daugg [#29]they wanted to DQ sg.
even VK during VCT didnt get a DQ, this was minor compared to that. indos shouldve taken the 1-1
crashhacker1 [#31]even VK during VCT didnt get a DQ, this was minor compared to that. indos shouldve taken the 1-1
i think because they believe the bug has been used consistently against cambodia as well
TMosura [#2]WHICH is consistent with previous handling of the situation. Minor bug violations have been either a full map restart or a rollback. Rollback was imminent, but it was clear that the Indonesian management wanted a harsher punishment. Unlucky, it is what it is.
I think you should be careful with the use word of "clear Indonesia wanted" because you said in other post it's still "implied"
Based on current information, nobody knows what EXACTLY Indonesia wanted from TO, and nobody know what EXACTLY the PLAYERS wants from TO ( The players and the management might have different opinion)
Usually I don't care for things like this, but because you're moderator you should be careful with the words you using in order not to exacerbate existing conditions. (We know SG players already received death threats from some idiots)
luckypleb [#20]this is so embarassing tbh, it's not even a bug (according to fayde anyway). good that they FF tho.
fayde who got owned by a fraud trick? lmao
sacredvlr [#34]I think you should be careful with the use word of "clear Indonesia wanted" because you said in other post it's still "implied"
Based on current information, nobody knows what EXACTLY Indonesia wanted from TO, and nobody know what EXACTLY the PLAYERS wants from TO ( The players and the management might have different opinion)
Usually I don't care for things like this, but because you're moderator you should be careful with the words you using in order not to exacerbate existing conditions. (We know SG players already received death threats from some idiots)
"i like to spread misinformation on the internet" -tmosura, probably
luckypleb [#36]"i like to spread misinformation on the internet" -tmosura, probably
I'll own up to my mistake and I'll change my wording.
My apologies as I should've been a tad bit clearer.
StrafingGoatWoweeClap [#25]source?
I believe this one
https://twitter.com/rafidndr_/status/1656346986906550272/photo/1
TMosura [#37]I'll own up to my mistake and I'll change my wording.
My apologies as I should've been a tad bit clearer.
also TO's decision was not to roll back the map or the round, but to give no punishment to SG. Makes me wonder if the bug abuse actually happened in the first place.
luckypleb [#39]also TO's decision was not to roll back the map or the round, but to give no punishment to SG. Makes me wonder if the bug abuse actually happened in the first place.
From what I've heard from inside sources that rollback was imminent and they were ready to play (without further punishment)
https://twitter.com/NethenoobVAL/status/1656496473419436032?t=6lS5avyn093pbCtrSYKKjQ&s=19
Indonesian management got greedy.
hiroshi_kenji [#40]asking for a punishment is ok, but DQ? nahh 💀 💀
but ff is the best decision imo for the players. even if they played with rollback, they probably would still lose
yeah they pushed it too far. 10-4 to 5-5 rollback is alr good imo.
TMosura [#42]From what I've heard from inside sources that rollback was imminent and they were ready to play (without further punishment)
https://twitter.com/NethenoobVAL/status/1656496473419436032?t=6lS5avyn093pbCtrSYKKjQ&s=19
Indonesian management got greedy.
PBESI strikes again
TMosura [#42]From what I've heard from inside sources that rollback was imminent and they were ready to play (without further punishment)
https://twitter.com/NethenoobVAL/status/1656496473419436032?t=6lS5avyn093pbCtrSYKKjQ&s=19
Indonesian management got greedy.
hadeh frengky ong😅 malu-maluin
crashhacker1 [#28]why wouldnt INDOs take the map and go map 3? wtf
i think the players would want to take it but indo management (which consists of old boomers in the esports federation) don't want to take it in the name of national pride, rly stupid
iframedeez [#41]do they speak for players+coaching staff or is it just from Indonesian officials? this is like Badminton case all over again some want still play but officials put words on their mouths? because honestly, I doubt bege Kaco, Eeyore, and the young players have that kind of mentality (maybe -delbot)
sounds like someone would came from this frengky dude
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