(In order of occurence)

• Legit Wins:-

  1. Gambit (Masters 3 2021)
  2. FunPlus Phoenix (Masters 2 2022)
  3. Loud (Champions 2022)

• Fluke Wins:-

  1. Acend (Champions 2021):- Yea it's been 2 years and we still don't know how they won. (Cned)
  2. Optic (Masters 1 2022):- FPX weren't available. They would've won.

• Debatable Wins:-

  1. Sentinels (Masters 2 2021):- They played against plumbers and carpenters, but even they were the same. Everyone was equal and Sentinels showed they're a better plumber (first and last time).
  2. Fnatic (LOCK//IN 2023):- Single-elimination bracket, but again everyone had the same chances. Fnatic went 5-0 so deserved.

Edit:- Moving Optic's win to debatable. Reason same.

Acend win just makes me sad
Im neither gambit nor acend fan, im happy eu won it but gambit back to back wouldve been legendary

Why is FNC and Acend debatable yet Gambit, FPX, and Loud are legit?

Gambit fell off, FPX got lucky one tourney, Loud is carried by Aspas

w thread from pussyslayer

CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#2]

Acend win just makes me sad
Im neither gambit nor acend fan, im happy eu won it but gambit back to back wouldve been legendary

fr gambit's jacket was so hot they deserved to win Champions

you will die whit false acusasions like saing that fnatic dind+t deserve to bwin is crime

Jogular [#3]

Why is FNC and Acend debatable yet Gambit, FPX, and Loud are legit?

Gambit fell off, FPX got lucky one tourney, Loud is carried by Aspas

11-3 comeback is debatable. LOUD could have won that

Chikenwarrior23 [#6]

you will die whit false acusasions like saing that fnatic dind+t deserve to bwin is crime

Dibetebal =/= not disarvd

Accurate take ngl.

But lock-in top 4 teams were top 4 before the event also

Jogular [#3]

Why is FNC and Acend debatable yet Gambit, FPX, and Loud are legit?

Gambit fell off, FPX got lucky one tourney, Loud is carried by Aspas

stopped reading at Jogular unfortunately

“Optic won masters and fox would won if they went” who told you that bruh? As if optic didnt have a better run in champs and finished top 2 or consistently finished at the top in internationals. That argument is so much cope you never know if optic wouldve won or if fpx wouldve won.

benmaimoon [#7]

11-3 comeback is debatable. LOUD could have won that

replying to jogular = losing braincells

hanafuuji [#10]

stopped reading at Jogular unfortunately

not like u know how to read anyways

i dont think optics win is a fluke considering they placed 3rd at copenhagen and 2nd at champs too, optic were really just that good. imo it wouldve been 50/50 betewen fpx and optic

pussyslayer [#12]

replying to jogular = losing braincells

for you it's fine bc u can't lose what u don't have

Jogular [#13]

not like u know how to read anyways

hanafuuji [#16]

stopped reading at Jogular unfortunately 😂😂😂

didn't hit the first time so bro typed it twice 😂😂😂

Cresp [#11]

“Optic won masters and fox would won if they went” who told you that bruh? As if optic didnt have a better run in champs and finished top 2 or consistently finished at the top in internationals. That argument is so much cope you never know if optic wouldve won or if fpx wouldve won.

FPX showed us in M2 what they could've done in M1

I don't think you can call Acend's win or Optic's win a fluke.

Optic was a top team for the whole of 2022, multiple finals appearance.
You could argue that fpx could've beaten them but that is not a certainty.

Acend had decent results prior to Champions 2021, making grand finals at Redbull beating gambit in that event.
Also making quarters at Masters Berlin, before being stopped by a monstrous comeback from 100t.

I would rather put these wins in "debatable", calling it a "fluke" is a disservice to their achievements.

How about we realize no win is a fluke

You can’t fluke beating 11-15 other teams in a tournament

pussyslayer [#18]

FPX showed us in M2 what they could've done in M1

And lost to xset and drx in champs bro. “This would happen if ____ were there” is a super dumb argument, teams are not always at their best or worst and teams that are close to each other can trade wins all the time (hence optic and loud) just because fpx won against optic once doesn't mean they would've won the event optic won.

Jogular [#17]

didn't hit the first time so bro typed it twice 😂😂😂

Jogular [#3]

Why is FNC and Acend debatable yet Gambit, FPX, and Loud are legit?

Gambit fell off, FPX got lucky one tourney, Loud is carried by Aspas

Gambit fell off

..that doesn't make their run a fluke smh

FPX got lucky one tourney

I have no word. Braindead argument.

Loud is carried by Aspas

This is kinda like OPTIC plays where they set up yay for fragging, also doesn't make their run a fluke

Conclusion - You're braindead

hanafuuji [#22]

JOGULAR 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Hanfauuji detected, Opinion rejected 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Jogular [#24]

Hanfauuji detected, Opinion rejected 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Cresp [#21]

And lost to xset and drx in champs bro. “This would happen if ____ were there” is a super dumb argument, teams are not always at their best or worst and teams that are close to each other can trade wins all the time (hence optic and loud) just because fpx won against optic once doesn't mean they would've won the event optic won.

you might be right but it'll still be debatable

pussyslayer [#5]

fr gambit's jacket was so hot they deserved to win Champions

I got one and the quality is very good

Awesome jacket

hanafuuji [#25]

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Dokka [#27]

I got one and the quality is very good

Awesome jacket

Man I really wanna buy an esports jersey (any valorant team) but all of them fucking cost $60+ excluding shipping. Im broke. Gambit's jacket must've costed you $$$$

Jogular [#28]

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pussyslayer [#26]

you might be right but it'll still be debatable

That was my point, im fine if you put it in debatable

Agree

Cresp [#31]

That was my point, im fine if you put it in debatable

good point cresp. thank you for educating me.

hanafuuji [#30]

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Jogular [#34]

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Jogular [#13]

not like u know how to read anyways

hanafuuji [#35]

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Jogular [#17]

didn't hit the first time so bro typed it twice 😂😂😂

pussyslayer [#33]

good point cresp. thank you for educating me.

🥰🥰🥰😁

Jogular [#37]

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hanafuuji [#40]

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