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Tenz was the problem???

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#1
Ldiablo69

I don't know tenz was the problem or not , back they looked soo lost and now looks like they have plan of every situation and looks soo focused with even 50% marved only. Man missed marved soo much🥺

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Roles problem

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nulluye
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Let the guy rest bro , he's not well and don't be so reactionary after 1 map

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Simon_Digger
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Kaplan diff

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Ullyr
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nulluye [#3]

Let the guy rest bro , he's not well and don't be so reactionary after 1 map

He's for sure gonna be bench now xd

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derptz
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Sykko problem

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Tashfeen
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it's kaplan magic 🤫🤫

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Yahya
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KajotLord [#2]

Roles problem

how exactly does tenz effect the roles

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HavocWEEB
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them being lost and uncoordinated was a coach thing not a tenz thing
its a kaplan diff

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clutchzero
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so far i didn't said a shit about tenz's personal life, but seriously?

he can't play with so much shit fckin his personal life, let him take care of himself so we can get him back on server asap.

he's human, not a robot.

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Selex
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HavocWEEB [#9]

them being lost and uncoordinated was a coach thing not a tenz thing
its a kaplan diff

How tho? Kaplan was still doing all the strats while sykko was coach. I think it was just roles and tenz lacking experience at the highest levels of play(first masters was too long ago).

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Selex [#11]

How tho? Kaplan was still doing all the strats while sykko was coach. I think it was just roles and tenz lacking experience at the highest levels of play(first masters was too long ago).

tenz lacking experience has to be a joke and there was no role issues

kaplan was still doing all the strats while sykko was coach is a dumb take he did not do everything on his own. Sykko and deph had a big part in that too and all players have some level of input.

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Sacy on smokes and weird comps were the problem. Also tenz was off form as well.

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HavocWEEB [#12]

tenz lacking experience has to be a joke and there was no role issues

kaplan was still doing all the strats while sykko was coach is a dumb take he did not do everything on his own. Sykko and deph had a big part in that too and all players have some level of input.

Tenz hasn't been at the top of competitive play since early 2021, two years. In those two years, the game has progressed and the vast majority of the time, he was without a real coach. Saying he lacks competitive experience at the top level of play isn't a joke, it's the truth. Everyone else on his team was top 6 at least at champions last year.

As for sykko, from the interview he did with wyatt a few months ago, we know that he relies heavily on others for strategy/analysis when it comes to coaching. He is more an emotional leader when it comes to coaching. Yes, kaplan wasn't doing all the strats. But what I'm saying is that removiing sykko alone shouldn't be such a big strategic change as that wasn't really his thing in the first place.

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Selex [#14]

Tenz hasn't been at the top of competitive play since early 2021, two years. In those two years, the game has progressed and the vast majority of the time, he was without a real coach. Saying he lacks competitive experience at the top level of play isn't a joke, it's the truth. Everyone else on his team was top 6 at least at champions last year.

As for sykko, from the interview he did with wyatt a few months ago, we know that he relies heavily on others for strategy/analysis when it comes to coaching. He is more an emotional leader when it comes to coaching. Yes, kaplan wasn't doing all the strats. But what I'm saying is that removiing sykko alone shouldn't be such a big strategic change as that wasn't really his thing in the first place.

not even gonna touch the experience comment cuz idk what to do with that ive never seen a take so bad

as head coach sykko essential created the whole system that the entire team used from when sykko was signed until he was dropped. Part of this included having kaplan do a lot of strating. Since sykko leaving Kaplan now has free rain to do wtv he wants and the whole system the team is running on changed. Strating is not the only thing a coach does.

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Yahya [#8]

how exactly does tenz effect the roles

With Tenz on duelist zekken plays in Sacy role

#17
Pengu12
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Tf is this?? Just let him be

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mocaxoxo [#18]

?????

he plays kayo and sage so well...

what is this erasure

people also forget he was a viper main before jett too

“people also forget he was a viper main before jett too”

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HavocWEEB [#15]

not even gonna touch the experience comment cuz idk what to do with that ive never seen a take so bad

as head coach sykko essential created the whole system that the entire team used from when sykko was signed until he was dropped. Part of this included having kaplan do a lot of strating. Since sykko leaving Kaplan now has free rain to do wtv he wants and the whole system the team is running on changed. Strating is not the only thing a coach does.

Not gonna touch the experience comment? Please touch it. I don't think anything I've said is unreasonable or controversial. Tenz didn't attend a single international tournament last year. Playing valorant regionally and finding success is is not equivalent to playing internationally and finding success. He didn't even manage to do the first last year, which wasn't necessarily his fault but the point still stands, he hasn't experienced what the others have since 2021. Valorant is a young game. Things have changed a lot in the last year.

As for the head coach point, fair enough.

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DELUSIONAL_SCOURGE_FAN
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mocaxoxo [#18]

?????

he plays kayo and sage so well...

what is this erasure

people also forget he was a viper main before jett too

aint no way bro said viper

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KajotLord
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Yahya [#8]

how exactly does tenz effect the roles

My bad, I meant that team's performance was not directly due to tenz but rather the team having messed up roles

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HavocWEEB
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Selex [#20]

Not gonna touch the experience comment? Please touch it. I don't think anything I've said is unreasonable or controversial. Tenz didn't attend a single international tournament last year. Playing valorant regionally and finding success is is not equivalent to playing internationally and finding success. He didn't even manage to do the first last year, which wasn't necessarily his fault but the point still stands, he hasn't experienced what the others have since 2021. Valorant is a young game. Things have changed a lot in the last year.

As for the head coach point, fair enough.

he played every international event 2021, played at the highest regional level 2022, then played lock in before this season. He played the last international event of 2021 and the first international event of 2023 so he missed one season of international play not 2 years like u said. Missing 3 tournaments doesnt make a tier 1 player lack experience at the highest level of play, and him missing those 3 tournaments certainly isnt enough to say the issue with sen is tenz lacking experience. Him having played 2 less international events than dephh and zekken last year does not make him lack experience at the highest level considering hes played more international val than both.

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HavocWEEB [#23]

he played every international event 2021, played at the highest regional level 2022, then played lock in before this season. He played the last international event of 2021 and the first international event of 2023 so he missed one season of international play not 2 years like u said. Missing 3 tournaments doesnt make a tier 1 player lack experience at the highest level of play, and him missing those 3 tournaments certainly isnt enough to say the issue with sen is tenz lacking experience. Him having played 2 less international events than dephh and zekken last year does not make him lack experience at the highest level considering hes played more international val than both.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Sentinels only looked good at the first international event of 2021. At both berlin and champions they looked mediocre. I don't think whatever he learned at those two tournaments/2021 reykjavik is anywhere close enough to have him prepared to face the elevated level of competition we're seeing in americas.

Like I said, valorant is a young game. Things progress quickly in new games and it is extremely easy to be left behind if you're not near the top fighting through the innovation and continuously oncoming talent that arises as a game's professional scene is thoroughly established. Sure he was at lock/in but he only had a single official match.

You're not changing my mind about this and it seems I'm not changing yours. Lets leave it at that.

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