The tournament can only fit into a certain timeslot, and it can't overshadow champions at the end of the year. While there have been some questionable decisions around the event, just treat it as a March Madness style tournament and enjoy watching the high pressure matchups. It's not that serious.
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n1cf [#3]bros just mad cuz their teams are not great enough to make their way to finals no mattter what the matchup is
riot have done the best
excatly nothing can stop lulquid from going home in ro32
the only true gods in emea are natus vincere
and ironically they only have 1 player from eu
Subreezy [#5]when will riot learn that single elim brackets are dogshit
instead of a bo3 against 1 singular team, it should've been bo1 group stages at least. people are watching this shit to see the different matchups between teams, not to see their favorite team get maybe 2 matchups if they're lucky
With 32 teams it's really great
Kiklop [#6]With 32 teams it's really great
i don't think a single person thought this format would have anything besides groups. single elim 32 team bracket is somehow the worst choice they could've made
Yeah you've never watched a good tournament before if you're saying this.
Hella ways to not overshadow champions and fit within time constraints.
If you think a format where half the teams get to watch the other half play and take notes for a week is good....
If you think flying to Brazil, quarantini6for a week to play one bo1 is a good example of sustainability in eSports....
Thumbs up to you sir
yungbasel [#11]Yeah you've never watched a good tournament before if you're saying this.
Hella ways to not overshadow champions and fit within time constraints.
If you think a format where half the teams get to watch the other half play and take notes for a week is good....
If you think flying to Brazil, quarantini6for a week to play one bo1 is a good example of sustainability in eSports....
Thumbs up to you sir
considering these teams are here for 4 years MINIMUM talking about sustainability of eSports based on one a kickoff tournament makes you look like a 🤡
The one thing that does give it a bit of a question mark was giving the LOCK//IN winning region an extra slot at Masters.
Other than that, it was more or less apparent that this might not be a Masters-type event (paraphrasing the original announcement that LOCK//IN is a 'celebration of a new milestone for VCT')
OzyMeister [#12]considering these teams are here for 4 years MINIMUM talking about sustainability of eSports based on one a kickoff tournament makes you look like a 🤡
Why are you making excuses for a shitty event? This is literally one of THREE international tourneys we'll have in the entire year. It is supposed to be masterclass.
Kiklop [#6]With 32 teams it's really great
It's not. Just make 2-4 streams at once instead of limiting yourself to only 1 stream, and do as many games as possible, with Swiss too.
That would require more studios, but they should've thought about it beforehand.
id rather they dont do the kick off tournament rather than proceed with this bad format.
the format could've been 2 16 team groups bo1s(simulcast the group stage because people are only gonna watch the teams they like. highly unlikely that the teams you like would play at the same time). top 8 from each group proceeds to single elim bracket b03s with grandfinals being bo5.
Olofboost [#17]Why are you making excuses for a shitty event? This is literally one of THREE international tourneys we'll have in the entire year. It is supposed to be masterclass.
plus as a ge fan he should be worried abd happy
because this is the only time they will play on an international stage
B0omsl4ng [#20]plus as a ge fan he should be worried abd happy
because this is the only time they will play on an international stage
Yes, GE will play only 1 game, but if there was double Swiss stages, they'd play minimum 3 games.
Olofboost [#17]Why are you making excuses for a shitty event? This is literally one of THREE international tourneys we'll have in the entire year. It is supposed to be masterclass.
Bro trust you need to touch grass, exit from posting or find a girl, all you do is spreading hate
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#22]Bro trust you need to touch grass, exit from posting or find a girl, all you do is spreading hate
Moatz your original account has more posts than me while being 1.5 years newer.
Subreezy [#9]i don't think a single person thought this format would have anything besides groups. single elim 32 team bracket is somehow the worst choice they could've made
who tf thought this format would have groups, this number of teams in that timeframe screamed double elim
SkyX [#13]W take. But they should change it so that both groups play at the same time, instead of alpha first and then omega. With the current format, teams that qualify first will have like 10 days to study their opponents, and it will be a disadvantage for whoever qualifies in omega.
Is your brain filled with rocks? The other teams get an equal amount of time to study their opponent lol
brobeans [#15]March madness isn’t international and players aren’t forced to quarantine
"Players aren't forced to quarantine" besides that time when they all were
KssS [#19]id rather they dont do the kick off tournament rather than proceed with this bad format.
the format could've been 2 16 team groups bo1s(simulcast the group stage because people are only gonna watch the teams they like. highly unlikely that the teams you like would play at the same time). top 8 from each group proceeds to single elim bracket b03s with grandfinals being bo5.
the format could've been 2 16 team groups bo1s(simulcast the group stage because people are only gonna watch the teams they like.
This is the exact reason they're making every match available on a centralized broadcast. They don't want to take away any potential viewership and exposure from the lesser matches/teams. They rather have a consistent, continuous viewership that even if it fluctuated, it won't hypothetically having that much gap compared to a simulcast.
They want every team and match to have equal amount of opportunity to gain as much viewership in certain context and times.
TMosura [#28]the format could've been 2 16 team groups bo1s(simulcast the group stage because people are only gonna watch the teams they like.
This is the exact reason they're making every match available on a centralized broadcast. They don't want to take away any potential viewership and exposure from the lesser matches/teams. They rather have a consistent, continuous viewership that even if it fluctuated, it won't hypothetically having that much gap compared to a simulcast.
They want every team and match to have equal amount of opportunity to gain as much viewership in certain context and times.
What is this logic 😆. Its 2023 viewers aren't dumb
VinsmokeLaw [#26]"Players aren't forced to quarantine" besides that time when they all were
Confused what this means
OzyMeister [#12]considering these teams are here for 4 years MINIMUM talking about sustainability of eSports based on one a kickoff tournament makes you look like a 🤡
There's something wrong with your brain.
I'm talking about sustainability from a point of having over 150 players fly in from all over the world, stay for a week, incur costs, to play one match and then bounce.
That's just stupid and uneconomical. You wouldn't understand this though, cus you're a retard with bad grades and no bitches.
yungbasel [#32]There's something wrong with your brain.
I'm talking about sustainability from a point of having over 150 players fly in from all over the world, stay for a week, incur costs, to play one match and then bounce.
That's just stupid and uneconomical. You wouldn't understand this though, cus you're a retard with bad grades and no bitches.
That's just stupid and uneconomical
care to explain the economics behind it and how the teams or players or riot for that matter is making a loss on this event?
Olofboost [#17]Why are you making excuses for a shitty event? This is literally one of THREE international tourneys we'll have in the entire year. It is supposed to be masterclass.
the Individual leagues are technically international tourneys too
and I think it is a masterclass
no room for error
one bo3
win it or go home
don't know about you but I think its quite hype
like boaster said quite ruthless but exciting nonetheless
OzyMeister [#33]That's just stupid and uneconomical
care to explain the economics behind it and how the teams or players or riot for that matter is making a loss on this event?
stop taking powder up your nose and you will understand it yourself
OzyMeister [#35]the Individual leagues are technically international tourneys too
and I think it is a masterclassno room for error
one bo3
win it or go home
don't know about you but I think its quite hypelike boaster said quite ruthless but exciting nonetheless
bro do you even think before writing
B0omsl4ng [#36]stop taking powder up your nose and you will understand it yourself
so you got nothing thought so
B0omsl4ng [#4]excatly nothing can stop lulquid from going home in ro32
the only true gods in emea are natus vincere
and ironically they only have 1 player from eu
NA education
OzyMeister [#35]the Individual leagues are technically international tourneys too
and I think it is a masterclassno room for error
one bo3
win it or go home
don't know about you but I think its quite hypelike boaster said quite ruthless but exciting nonetheless
In esports it doesn't work
Don't compare tennis-esque sport to playing a videogame
Real sports is much more exhausting that 1 Bo3 of Valorant, and usually much less random, as in Valorant anyone can beat anyone on any given meta
B0omsl4ng [#4]excatly nothing can stop lulquid from going home in ro32
the only true gods in emea are natus vincere
and ironically they only have 1 player from eu
bro is slowly turning me against KOI and i hate it
WinterZ [#43]bro is slowly turning me against KOI and i hate it
they fact that lulquid is going home early makes you mad
wow
go sleep kid
? Bracket makes it basically a waste of time for the players, imagine going to brazil to possibly fail in their first match, that's going to be in their head, there's no 2nd chance, it means it's completely random and depends on the day, u can't even bet properly in brackets like these, who bets in the first matches are dumb cuz it's 50/50, not to mention it's extremely boring to watch since u wont see matches that you would like to see since this bracket is so limited...
B0omsl4ng [#45]they fact that lulquid is going home early makes you mad
wow
go sleep kid
KOI leaving earlier
This isn't overreacting this is the truth the format isn't that great. Imagine teams having to travel a week or 2 before the event and then in their very first game lose and say bye and leave, it doesn't make it good. Besides in this format you can't basically rate teams as you know there is a world where Either of Sen or FNC go out in Ro32 and FUT or RRQ make it to Ro16 you get what I'm saying right. There are different formats that you can run with 32 teams just not this it doesn't seem fair enough. Like there can be grps of 8 or 4 whatever and some games can be BO1 there isn't any necessity for having all the games as Bo3s. Single Elimination is ruthless and not nice as imagine fans can't see more than one game of their fav team playing like FNC TL Sentinels DRX PRX etc. So yeah I don't think this format is great it's kinda ruthless and might kill the interest of some fans hope people agree to this
Rebellion2408 [#49]This isn't overreacting this is the truth the format isn't that great. Imagine teams having to travel a week or 2 before the event and then in their very first game lose and say bye and leave, it doesn't make it good. Besides in this format you can't basically rate teams as you know there is a world where Either of Sen or FNC go out in Ro32 and FUT or RRQ make it to Ro16 you get what I'm saying right. There are different formats that you can run with 32 teams just not this it doesn't seem fair enough. Like there can be grps of 8 or 4 whatever and some games can be BO1 there isn't any necessity for having all the games as Bo3s. Single Elimination is ruthless and not nice as imagine fans can't see more than one game of their fav team playing like FNC TL Sentinels DRX PRX etc. So yeah I don't think this format is great it's kinda ruthless and might kill the interest of some fans hope people agree to this
As I said the same thing before u, I agree completely bro, glad u made it more detailed, these people that are "happy" because of this bracket are just a**lickers, they don't give a shit about the players nor the fans as they don't have their own take on it, just taking the riot doggy bowl and lickin it up
Monspeet [#50]As I said the same thing before u, I agree completely bro, glad u made it more detailed, these people that are "happy" because of this bracket are just a**lickers, they don't give a shit about the players nor the fans as they don't have their own take on it, just taking the riot doggy bowl and lickin it up
Exactly they try bringing this Time constraint reason. Well my only question is..in the brackets after the Alpha brackets are over 2 days are break days and then Omega brackets start and then 2 more days break post Omega brackets and then the Final 4 showdown start. 4 days just gone waste. I think there could be a better format which would end within this time constraint I guess
Rebellion2408 [#51]Exactly they try bringing this Time constraint reason. Well my only question is..in the brackets after the Alpha brackets are over 2 days are break days and then Omega brackets start and then 2 more days break post Omega brackets and then the Final 4 showdown start. 4 days just gone waste. I think there could be a better format which would end within this time constraint I guess
In my opinion this event should overshadow champions since it's a once in a lifetime event most probably so I don't think they should have a time constraint, all the teams came to one place, that's not gonna happen again, so making it half assed like this is just plain stupid... We waited a long time for this event to be half assed as fans and as for the players it's just wrong to have a bracket in general that's single elimination.
Nothing we can do about it now, since it's already set in stone however I hope riot in the future doesn't make these single elim brackets anymore... hope they actually listen to people
Monspeet [#52]In my opinion this event should overshadow champions since it's a once in a lifetime event most probably so I don't think they should have a time constraint, all the teams came to one place, that's not gonna happen again, so making it half assed like this is just plain stupid... We waited a long time for this event to be half assed as fans and as for the players it's just wrong to have a bracket in general that's single elimination.
Nothing we can do about it now, since it's already set in stone however I hope riot in the future doesn't make these single elim brackets anymore... hope they actually listen to people
The unfortunate thing is Riot already announced that there would be this 30-32 team tourney in Brazil just before franchised teams were announced. To think they made this format is kind of an L for me. There's nothing we could do about it now as you rightfully said but hey atleast one good thing is it's been a long wait since Champs so let's see how it goes.
OzyMeister [#33]That's just stupid and uneconomical
care to explain the economics behind it and how the teams or players or riot for that matter is making a loss on this event?
bruhhhh, this is how I know you're not built for this discussion. uneconomical doesn't automatically making a loss. It means its wasteful.
And if you don't think flying out a shit load of players around the world to play 1 match in a relatively inconsequential tournament is wasteful, then I can't help you.
You're allowed to like the format, but don't try and defend it with logic when you have none.
yungbasel [#54]bruhhhh, this is how I know you're not built for this discussion. uneconomical doesn't automatically making a loss. It means its wasteful.
And if you don't think flying out a shit load of players around the world to play 1 match in a relatively inconsequential tournament is wasteful, then I can't help you.
You're allowed to like the format, but don't try and defend it with logic when you have none.
by that logic GE flying out their shit Indian roster to Singapore every single time to get destroyed 0-2 0-2 by SEA teams to a relatively inconsequential tournament would be considered wasteful in your books too right?
but there's a lot of other things that these orgs/brands do achieve besides playing just the tournament when they are there and guess what that did contribute to them getting a slot in franchising to some extent so its not really as wasteful as you think it is.
OzyMeister [#56]by that logic GE flying out their shit Indian roster to Singapore every single time to get destroyed 0-2 0-2 by SEA teams to a relatively inconsequential tournament would be considered wasteful in your books too right?
but there's a lot of other things that these orgs/brands do achieve besides playing just the tournament when they are there and guess what that did contribute to them getting a slot in franchising to some extent so its not really as wasteful as you think it is.
You're actually in over your head on this.
You just compared GE trying to qualify for the biggest tournament, to lock ins 150+ players, which is a throwaway tournament for the most part.
So with that, I'm done with you, if I don't stop now, proper won't eve able to tell who's stupider. Me for replying or you for your L take.
yungbasel [#57]You're actually in over your head on this.
You just compared GE trying to qualify for the biggest tournament, to lock ins 150+ players, which is a throwaway tournament for the most part.
So with that, I'm done with you, if I don't stop now, proper won't eve able to tell who's stupider. Me for replying or you for your L take.
throwaway tournament
sure xD
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