I have come to the conclusion that neither rob or shahz is telling the complete truth. shahz is probably blowing things out of proportion and twisting the truth because he is salty he was dropped. Rob on the other is trying to keep good PR of SEN so he is twisting the truth. Both sides at fault for the lack of communIcation and mismanagement of the situation. And boths sides publicly arguing over a thread of a SEN content short making a joke is just idiotic. If there was a serious problem between the two, twitter is definitely not the place I would go. Unless either side can provide concrete proof of their accusations consider this argument point less and a bait for impressions.
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cobalt21312 [#2]imo def the most likely explanation. rob probably said something like "if you team up with shroud we'll likely keep you in sen" and shaz took that as a guaranteed spot. no other explanation would have shaz call them out and rob deny everything
I think that when figuring who to sub. Rob and esports management proposed and encouraged Shroud. There prob some incentive but im p sure it wasnt a promised spot. Rob and shahz knows that with franchising no ones spot is guaranteed. Shahz then argeed because shroud has then fps talent and no one else stood out particularly. I think there is a clear middle story and both sides are stretching it for their argument. But still arguing over twitter?? Like cmon
cobalt21312 [#2]imo def the most likely explanation. rob probably said something like "if you team up with shroud we'll likely keep you in sen" and shaz took that as a guaranteed spot. no other explanation would have shaz call them out and rob deny everything
Doubt it as shahz quoted him saying favor but even so takes sens credibility into question
My theory is that Shahz all of last year blew the team off because of org frustrations in how they wouldn't sign a proper coach and analyst
To be clear I think he was still trying, but imagine all these other orgs having all these resources surpassing you and your org is denying that you get the proper help they need. I mean wasn't Sen investing in Halo before making sure one of their biggest sources of revenue for the org retains itself?
Shahz bad attitude, but for good reason as well
I mean look at how well Sen did with Shroud and Zellsis in such a short amount of time once they actually had that support
Imagine if the org had supported them like that the entire year leading up
Mjtchell [#6]My theory is that Shahz all of last year blew the team off because of org frustrations in how they wouldn't sign a proper coach and analyst
To be clear I think he was still trying, but imagine all these other orgs having all these resources surpassing you and your org is denying that you get the proper help they need. I mean wasn't Sen investing in Halo before making sure one of their biggest sources of revenue for the org retains itself?Shahz bad attitude, but for good reason as well
I mean look at how well Sen did with Shroud and Zellsis in such a short amount of time once they actually had that support
Imagine if the org had supported them like that the entire year leading up
Im going to be honest. But I think streaming 8+ hours a day is at least slightly not trying to win. Im not saying he can’t stream. But when you are losing and then spending 8 hours streaming. There is something more you can do. I personally don’t have a problem his streaming but i refuse to think shahz gave 110% in his preparation when he is streaming 40 hours a week.
shockyyyy [#9]Im going to be honest. But I think streaming 8+ hours a day is at least slightly not trying to win. Im not saying he can’t stream. But when you are losing and then spending 8 hours streaming. There is something more you can do. I personally don’t have a problem his streaming but i refuse to think shahz gave 110% in his preparation when he is streaming 40 hours a week.
40 hours is a full time job 😭.
shockyyyy [#9]Im going to be honest. But I think streaming 8+ hours a day is at least slightly not trying to win. Im not saying he can’t stream. But when you are losing and then spending 8 hours streaming. There is something more you can do. I personally don’t have a problem his streaming but i refuse to think shahz gave 110% in his preparation when he is streaming 40 hours a week.
You also have to remember he was doing 3 people's jobs
For the first year he was Coach and Analyst as well as IGL
After that they got Rawkus to relieve him a little bit, but that only takes the load bearing and puts part of it on Rawkus
There's no systems in place to make sure he has the support he need or to limit him to what he's doing or not doing
I understand he's an adult and can make his own decisions, but sometimes you need an outside perspective to help you realize what's going wrong.
zen-o [#10]40 hours is a full time job 😭.
Yeah, i have mad respects shahz and his grind in general. But like when something is going wrong, you need to change something. That didn’t really happen. Is some stuff out of his control. Definitely, but i feel like shifting the blame on external factors like sick taking a break, tenz moving, etc. is actually contradictory to shahz’s recent tweet about owning up to your mistakes
shockyyyy [#3]I think that when figuring who to sub. Rob and esports management proposed and encouraged Shroud. There prob some incentive but im p sure it wasnt a promised spot. Rob and shahz knows that with franchising no ones spot is guaranteed. Shahz then argeed because shroud has then fps talent and no one else stood out particularly. I think there is a clear middle story and both sides are stretching it for their argument. But still arguing over twitter?? Like cmon
shahz been in controversies since cs and been a dickhead since cs not denying rob may be stretching the truth BUT shahz was no saint in the situation and is lowk an asshole no team with him will work out
Mjtchell [#12]You also have to remember he was doing 3 people's jobs
For the first year he was Coach and Analyst as well as IGL
After that they got Rawkus to relieve him a little bit, but that only takes the load bearing and puts part of it on Rawkus
There's no systems in place to make sure he has the support he need or to limit him to what he's doing or not doing
I understand he's an adult and can make his own decisions, but sometimes you need an outside perspective to help you realize what's going wrong.
I do agree that somethings you don’t know what’s going on. But shahz is smart enough to take 1 hour out of his stream to maybe do more review to fix those problems. Instead of doubling down on his, “its out of my control” and “its not due my streams”
shockyyyy [#15]I do agree that somethings you don’t know what’s going on. But shahz is smart enough to take 1 hour out of his stream to maybe do more review to fix those problems. Instead of doubling down on his, “its out of my control” and “its not due my streams”
I understand he's an adult and can make his own decisions, but sometimes you need an outside perspective to help you realize what's going wrong.
xiphon [#14]shahz been in controversies since cs and been a dickhead since cs not denying rob may be stretching the truth BUT shahz was no saint in the situation and is lowk an asshole no team with him will work out
Yeah. Im just hesitant to declare a winner because we actually have no proof or insight from an outside source on what actually happened bts.
Mjtchell [#16]I understand he's an adult and can make his own decisions, but sometimes you need an outside perspective to help you realize what's going wrong.
Fair but i just personally think he could’ve more but you make a valid point i just dont 100% agree
shockyyyy [#17]Yeah. Im just hesitant to declare a winner because we actually have no proof or insight from an outside source on what actually happened bts.
wont be a "winner" unless proof gets released (and considering there wasnt a contract i doubt there will be)
shockyyyy [#19]Fair but i just personally think he could’ve more but you make a valid point i just dont 100% agree
I just feel like its unfair as well for an org owner to solely blame the player that blew up Sentinels in such a way that they've gained a franchising spot
It's not just Rob either it's the entirety of management
Like they have employees and still no help
It's just a very lopsided exchange imo
shockyyyy [#11]I feel like he would’ve said that when the dephh news came out. His always very vocal when it comes to these things. And surely he was more pissed at the dephh news than a SEN short making fun of last year
he was still contracted to SEN back then
jawn [#23]he was still contracted to SEN back then
But they didnt offer a contract renewal so he wouldnt be playing on sen next year
shockyyyy [#24]But they didnt offer a contract renewal so he wouldnt be playing on sen next year
how is that related in the slightest
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