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hekzy [#4]We have to see what it can achieve without watch parties.
there will probably be a bit of a drop. I prefer watching matches with shroud’s POV and analysis, but I would still watch the match even if he wasn’t streaming it.
beb0p [#5]there will probably be a bit of a drop. I prefer watching matches with shroud’s POV and analysis, but I would still watch the match even if he wasn’t streaming it.
Well you cant even say they are watching the match. They're there for shroud.
hekzy [#7]Well you cant even say they are watching the match. They're there for shroud.
Not necessarily ,and statistics would suggest otherwise as well. While they're there for shroud , it would be incorrect to conclude that they aren't there to watch the match since you'll have to argue that those are two mutually exclusive conditions which is simply not true . While people are there watch to shroud , they're more specifically there to watch shroud's thoughts and reactions to the match they're watching anyway , this is also suggested by the fact that many clips valorant enthusiasts , reporters and such posted on twitter regarding the events were also from shroud's stream , because people would rather watch shroud talking about the game than the casters that most of these people don't know or have any idea about. As to what's supporting my argument , it's as I said in the beginning of the comment , statistics.
Most games that shroud watched during masters had disproportionately higher viewers than he usually gets on stream:
https://twitchtracker.com/shroud/games/516575
Notice that all the days he streamed watching the matches he had quite magnitudes of increment in viewers as opposed to viewers he generally got before that and even after masters , he generally gets between 20-24k viewers with some rare days getting viewers to around 30k . Whereas in comparison most games he streamed for masters had upwards of 50k viewers with few games getting to around 89k and even 101k viewers. Even before masters when he streamed watch parties for few of the important challenger matches he had comparatively higher viewers than he normally was getting around that time when he wasn't streaming those matches (obviously not near as much as Masters but still more than the general) This also holds for some other streamers who do watch parties such as myth.
So the only true way of coming to accurate conclusions is stop watch parties and then study the stats , but based on the info we already have , while the total viewers after addition of these watch parties certainly increased , however the disproportionate amount of viewers increasing for these streamers during these matches suggests that even if they didn't stream ,the total viewers wouldn't fall by much , if at all.
hekzy [#7]Well you cant even say they are watching the match. They're there for shroud.
So you can say the same about CSGO and Gaules, it alone corresponds between 30% to 50% of viewers in CSGO tournaments.
These Watch Party arguments are the dumbest I've ever seen.
The more streamers doing Watch Parties the better it will be.
My perspective might be different as an American, but it feels like the game’s almost gone mainstream in the sense that even people who aren’t dedicated video game players are playing it. CS had high viewership but I don’t think it was as appealing (especially visually) to regular people. I think the future of the game is pretty bright.
josef [#8]Not necessarily ,and statistics would suggest otherwise as well. While they're there for shroud , it would be incorrect to conclude that they aren't there to watch the match since you'll have to argue that those are two mutually exclusive conditions which is simply not true . While people are there watch to shroud , they're more specifically there to watch shroud's thoughts and reactions to the match they're watching anyway , this is also suggested by the fact that many clips valorant enthusiasts , reporters and such posted on twitter regarding the events were also from shroud's stream , because people would rather watch shroud talking about the game than the casters that most of these people don't know or have any idea about. As to what's supporting my argument , it's as I said in the beginning of the comment , statistics.
Most games that shroud watched during masters had disproportionately higher viewers than he usually gets on stream:
https://twitchtracker.com/shroud/games/516575
Notice that all the days he streamed watching the matches he had quite magnitudes of increment in viewers as opposed to viewers he generally got before that and even after masters , he generally gets between 20-24k viewers with some rare days getting viewers to around 30k . Whereas in comparison most games he streamed for masters had upwards of 50k viewers with few games getting to around 89k and even 101k viewers. Even before masters when he streamed watch parties for few of the important challenger matches he had comparatively higher viewers than he normally was getting around that time when he wasn't streaming those matches (obviously not near as much as Masters but still more than the general) This also holds for some other streamers who do watch parties such as myth.
So the only true way of coming to accurate conclusions is stop watch parties and then study the stats , but based on the info we already have , while the total viewers after addition of these watch parties certainly increased , however the disproportionate amount of viewers increasing for these streamers during these matches suggests that even if they didn't stream ,the total viewers wouldn't fall by much , if at all.
man wrote a whole essay
supernova [#9]So you can say the same about CSGO and Gaules, it alone corresponds between 30% to 50% of viewers in CSGO tournaments.
These Watch Party arguments are the dumbest I've ever seen.
The more streamers doing Watch Parties the better it will be.
Isn't gaules a caster though? Wouldn't that make him the brazilian stream? I don't know portuguese so I am not completely aware to whether he is casting or not. Either way, CSGO does actually reach 200k on official stream be it whether through English or Russian streams.
Furthermore, I'd like to add that people watch matches in Valorant because their favourite personality is playing in a team (hiko, tenz, scream, sinatra) and not because of the quality of the games. Etc in Europe G2 and Liquid rake about 10 times the viewership that matches like NiP Vs heretics vs FPX vs acend do, same goes for NA. What happens when these players ultimately retire? Players like Hiko and Sinatraa are already on their way out. This problem will be solved by new personalities rising from this game, people that were never seen before, but is that gonna happen?
josef [#8]Not necessarily ,and statistics would suggest otherwise as well. While they're there for shroud , it would be incorrect to conclude that they aren't there to watch the match since you'll have to argue that those are two mutually exclusive conditions which is simply not true . While people are there watch to shroud , they're more specifically there to watch shroud's thoughts and reactions to the match they're watching anyway , this is also suggested by the fact that many clips valorant enthusiasts , reporters and such posted on twitter regarding the events were also from shroud's stream , because people would rather watch shroud talking about the game than the casters that most of these people don't know or have any idea about. As to what's supporting my argument , it's as I said in the beginning of the comment , statistics.
Most games that shroud watched during masters had disproportionately higher viewers than he usually gets on stream:
https://twitchtracker.com/shroud/games/516575
Notice that all the days he streamed watching the matches he had quite magnitudes of increment in viewers as opposed to viewers he generally got before that and even after masters , he generally gets between 20-24k viewers with some rare days getting viewers to around 30k . Whereas in comparison most games he streamed for masters had upwards of 50k viewers with few games getting to around 89k and even 101k viewers. Even before masters when he streamed watch parties for few of the important challenger matches he had comparatively higher viewers than he normally was getting around that time when he wasn't streaming those matches (obviously not near as much as Masters but still more than the general) This also holds for some other streamers who do watch parties such as myth.
So the only true way of coming to accurate conclusions is stop watch parties and then study the stats , but based on the info we already have , while the total viewers after addition of these watch parties certainly increased , however the disproportionate amount of viewers increasing for these streamers during these matches suggests that even if they didn't stream ,the total viewers wouldn't fall by much , if at all.
I agree, Reykjavik needs to stop watch parties in order to see if the game itself can rake in views.
josef [#8]Not necessarily ,and statistics would suggest otherwise as well. While they're there for shroud , it would be incorrect to conclude that they aren't there to watch the match since you'll have to argue that those are two mutually exclusive conditions which is simply not true . While people are there watch to shroud , they're more specifically there to watch shroud's thoughts and reactions to the match they're watching anyway , this is also suggested by the fact that many clips valorant enthusiasts , reporters and such posted on twitter regarding the events were also from shroud's stream , because people would rather watch shroud talking about the game than the casters that most of these people don't know or have any idea about. As to what's supporting my argument , it's as I said in the beginning of the comment , statistics.
Most games that shroud watched during masters had disproportionately higher viewers than he usually gets on stream:
https://twitchtracker.com/shroud/games/516575
Notice that all the days he streamed watching the matches he had quite magnitudes of increment in viewers as opposed to viewers he generally got before that and even after masters , he generally gets between 20-24k viewers with some rare days getting viewers to around 30k . Whereas in comparison most games he streamed for masters had upwards of 50k viewers with few games getting to around 89k and even 101k viewers. Even before masters when he streamed watch parties for few of the important challenger matches he had comparatively higher viewers than he normally was getting around that time when he wasn't streaming those matches (obviously not near as much as Masters but still more than the general) This also holds for some other streamers who do watch parties such as myth.
So the only true way of coming to accurate conclusions is stop watch parties and then study the stats , but based on the info we already have , while the total viewers after addition of these watch parties certainly increased , however the disproportionate amount of viewers increasing for these streamers during these matches suggests that even if they didn't stream ,the total viewers wouldn't fall by much , if at all.
https://twitchtracker.com/valorant peak viewers: 96k
https://twitchtracker.com/nerdstgamers peak viewers: 44k
So the official stream had a peak of 140k viewers.
supernova [#10]eSports is not the only thing, if you take the tournament numbers from CSGO it is just a dead game.
In addition, if you have been looking at the total numbers between normal streamers and eSports, the Valorant numbers have been better than CSGO numbers for some time.
as they should
ideekae [#12]My perspective might be different as an American, but it feels like the game’s almost gone mainstream in the sense that even people who aren’t dedicated video game players are playing it. CS had high viewership but I don’t think it was as appealing (especially visually) to regular people. I think the future of the game is pretty bright.
yeah the way when reyna got nerf and it was trending world wide? . It was made for mainstream
hekzy [#7]Well you cant even say they are watching the match. They're there for shroud.
shroud gets usually gets his highest viewer count when he’s streaming pro matches. so if they were there for shroud, why wouldn’t they watch his other streams?
supernova [#10]eSports is not the only thing, if you take the tournament numbers from CSGO it is just a dead game.
In addition, if you have been looking at the total numbers between normal streamers and eSports, the Valorant numbers have been better than CSGO numbers for some time.
CSGO tournament numbers bad? they always get over 100k+ when good teams are playing. Wtf are you talking about. The CSGO esports gets a lot more viewers than valorant atm.
beb0p [#20]CSGO tournament numbers bad? they always get over 100k+ when good teams are playing. Wtf are you talking about. The CSGO esports gets a lot more viewers than valorant atm.
Do you know how to read or interpret a text?
supernova [#21]Do you know how to read or interpret a text?
this is what you said, “ if you take the tournament numbers from CSGO it is just a dead game.” 😂 ur braindead LMAO
beb0p [#22]this is what you said, “ if you take the tournament numbers from CSGO it is just a dead game.” 😂 ur braindead LMAO
Exactly! If you take out the numbers of CSGO tournaments and only the numbers of the streams are left, it will be clear that it is a dead game.
supernova [#23]Exactly! If you take out the numbers of CSGO tournaments and only the numbers of the streams are left, it will be clear that it is a dead game.
well you gotta fix your fucking grammar bro, cuz that is nothing like what you wrote down
supernova [#23]Exactly! If you take out the numbers of CSGO tournaments and only the numbers of the streams are left, it will be clear that it is a dead game.
next time write “take out” instead of just “take” confusing me so much. it’s not my problem you didn’t go to kindergarten
hekzy [#15]I agree, Reykjavik needs to stop watch parties in order to see if the game itself can rake in views.
That is such Bullshit Hekzy, just stop man.
CSGO is only big cause of watch parties also then, cause if it weren't for Gaules here in Brazil, all of CSGO matches would have at least 50k less viewers than they normal have.
hekzy [#14]Isn't gaules a caster though? Wouldn't that make him the brazilian stream? I don't know portuguese so I am not completely aware to whether he is casting or not. Either way, CSGO does actually reach 200k on official stream be it whether through English or Russian streams.
Furthermore, I'd like to add that people watch matches in Valorant because their favourite personality is playing in a team (hiko, tenz, scream, sinatra) and not because of the quality of the games. Etc in Europe G2 and Liquid rake about 10 times the viewership that matches like NiP Vs heretics vs FPX vs acend do, same goes for NA. What happens when these players ultimately retire? Players like Hiko and Sinatraa are already on their way out. This problem will be solved by new personalities rising from this game, people that were never seen before, but is that gonna happen?
No, Gaules streams are like watch parties, he makes his insights about the game, but that's it. Also, every single tournament in CS that gets 200k+ are international events with teams from all around the world, while Valorant tournaments are regional, so just add up the numbers from each region when we get to Iceland and you will have your numbers. 100k from NA + 100k from TR + 40k from EU + 40k from BR + more 100k from the rest of the world. That's like 400k people that will watch Masters.
beb0p [#20]CSGO tournament numbers bad? they always get over 100k+ when good teams are playing. Wtf are you talking about. The CSGO esports gets a lot more viewers than valorant atm.
No it doesn't beb0p. It's clear that Valorant has a lot more viewers than CS atm, CS tournaments have the best teams around the world playing each other, while Valorant tournaments are regional, if you add up the viewership of every regional tournament it will surpass CSGO with ease. Doesn't even come close. Val right now has higher numbers and it's growing, while CS is diminishing.
heisback [#28]No it doesn't beb0p. It's clear that Valorant has a lot more viewers than CS atm, CS tournaments have the best teams around the world playing each other, while Valorant tournaments are regional, if you add up the viewership of every regional tournament it will surpass CSGO with ease. Doesn't even come close. Val right now has higher numbers and it's growing, while CS is diminishing.
you can’t just add up the numbers, that’s stupid. also, CSGO teams are mostly European teams anyways lol
heisback [#28]No it doesn't beb0p. It's clear that Valorant has a lot more viewers than CS atm, CS tournaments have the best teams around the world playing each other, while Valorant tournaments are regional, if you add up the viewership of every regional tournament it will surpass CSGO with ease. Doesn't even come close. Val right now has higher numbers and it's growing, while CS is diminishing.
literally one of the most braindead arguments I’ve ever heard
heisback [#28]No it doesn't beb0p. It's clear that Valorant has a lot more viewers than CS atm, CS tournaments have the best teams around the world playing each other, while Valorant tournaments are regional, if you add up the viewership of every regional tournament it will surpass CSGO with ease. Doesn't even come close. Val right now has higher numbers and it's growing, while CS is diminishing.
“cs is diminishing” wtf did I just hear? it’s clearly thriving right now. it has the second highest viewership and most hours watched next to league of legends, valorant isn’t even close😂
heisback [#28]No it doesn't beb0p. It's clear that Valorant has a lot more viewers than CS atm, CS tournaments have the best teams around the world playing each other, while Valorant tournaments are regional, if you add up the viewership of every regional tournament it will surpass CSGO with ease. Doesn't even come close. Val right now has higher numbers and it's growing, while CS is diminishing.
even if you add up the regions it is STILL less viewers than csgo
beb0p [#32]even if you add up the regions it is STILL less viewers than csgo
CSGO fanboys are so cringe WTF
supernova [#33]CSGO fanboys are so cringe WTF
Brazilian mad cuz his country is irrelevant in csgo, I’m not suprised LMAO
supernova [#33]CSGO fanboys are so cringe WTF
literally look at this https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-games-twitch/ how can you possibly think that valorant gets more viewers. you are literally a braindead Brazilian idiot
beb0p [#36]literally look at this https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-games-twitch/ how can you possibly think that valorant gets more viewers. you are literally a braindead Brazilian idiot
lmao
Just check echarts for popular games current month and last months hahahaha
It's not only about eSports your racist dumbass
CSGO lives off the tournament viewers and nothing else ... without it it would be a dead game.
supernova [#37]lmao
Just check echarts for popular games current month and last months hahahaha
It's not only about eSports your racist dumbass
CSGO lives off the tournament viewers and nothing else ... without it it would be a dead game.
well I’m not talking about other numbers
supernova [#37]lmao
Just check echarts for popular games current month and last months hahahaha
It's not only about eSports your racist dumbass
CSGO lives off the tournament viewers and nothing else ... without it it would be a dead game.
supernova [#37]lmao
Just check echarts for popular games current month and last months hahahaha
It's not only about eSports your racist dumbass
CSGO lives off the tournament viewers and nothing else ... without it it would be a dead game.
dumbass heisback over here thinks valorant has more (edit) esports viewers lmao
beb0p [#40]dumbass heisback over here thinks valorant has more (edit) esports viewers lmao
Well Valorant HAS more viewers than CSGO overall.
Only in eSports does CSGO still have more viewers.
supernova [#33]CSGO fanboys are so cringe WTF
I’m talking about the esport viewers, literally shut your dumb Brazilian ass, cuz I’m literally not arguing with you
beb0p [#40]dumbass heisback over here thinks valorant has more (edit) esports viewers lmao
You are so toxic, racist, fanboy and cringe WTF
Yikes
Get a job
supernova [#44]Well Valorant HAS more viewers than CSGO overall.
Only in eSports does CSGO still have more viewers.
You are absolutely right, but I’m still talking about esports numbers here
beb0p [#46]I’m talking about the esport viewers, literally shut your dumb Brazilian ass, cuz I’m literally not arguing with you
Congratulations on being a xenophobic, racist, toxic and fanboy!
If vlr.gg had moderators like other forums, you would be banned.
Bye :) Have a nice day
beb0p [#32]even if you add up the regions it is STILL less viewers than csgo
Ok, where are the evidence to support your claims man? You are smarter than that. Every good team is in EU playing, so of course their tournaments are the same as world tournaments.
What are you talking about? Tournaments nowadays don't get more than 300k viewers, I remember watching Astralis VS VP with more than 1 million, first international masters will already surpass CSGO numbers with ease, also the number of concurrent viewers in Valorant are almost aways higher than CS in twitch.
beb0p [#43]heisback is arguing that valorant has more esports viewers than csgo
Yes it does, because while we are having world tournaments after world tournaments in CS we are only having regional's in valorant, that's pretty obvious. Lot's of people who wont watch LG vs Gen.G will literally kill to Watch Sen VS FunplusFenix for example, the masters will have a lot more viewers than all the Regions added up. Lot's of people who don't care to watch teams that already faced each other dozens of times will stop to watch Iceland Masters, the viewership will skyrocket, it will dwarf CSGO, I'm expecting 600k+ in the finals.
And finally when we get to Champions in the end of the year, Riot will inject a shit ton of money, we will break the records for tactical FPS and CS will die next year.
Also, how can you say CS tournament views are the same as 5 years ago? You are just biased.
heisback [#52]Yes it does, because while we are having world tournaments after world tournaments in CS we are only having regional's in valorant, that's pretty obvious. Lot's of people who wont watch LG vs Gen.G will literally kill to Watch Sen VS FunplusFenix for example, the masters will have a lot more viewers than all the Regions added up. Lot's of people who don't care to watch teams that already faced each other dozens of times will stop to watch Iceland Masters, the viewership will skyrocket, it will dwarf CSGO, I'm expecting 600k+ in the finals.
And finally when we get to Champions in the end of the year, Riot will inject a shit ton of money, we will break the records for tactical FPS and CS will die next year.
Also, how can you say CS tournament views are the same as 5 years ago? You are just biased.
??? whatever man, believe what you want🤪
heisback [#52]Yes it does, because while we are having world tournaments after world tournaments in CS we are only having regional's in valorant, that's pretty obvious. Lot's of people who wont watch LG vs Gen.G will literally kill to Watch Sen VS FunplusFenix for example, the masters will have a lot more viewers than all the Regions added up. Lot's of people who don't care to watch teams that already faced each other dozens of times will stop to watch Iceland Masters, the viewership will skyrocket, it will dwarf CSGO, I'm expecting 600k+ in the finals.
And finally when we get to Champions in the end of the year, Riot will inject a shit ton of money, we will break the records for tactical FPS and CS will die next year.
Also, how can you say CS tournament views are the same as 5 years ago? You are just biased.
I just went to twitch, guess what I found? Valorant NIP vs Guild 15k viewers😂, meanwhile CSGO, Astralis vs Gambit 145k viewers 😂, just stfu lmao it’s not even close
heisback [#27]No, Gaules streams are like watch parties, he makes his insights about the game, but that's it. Also, every single tournament in CS that gets 200k+ are international events with teams from all around the world, while Valorant tournaments are regional, so just add up the numbers from each region when we get to Iceland and you will have your numbers. 100k from NA + 100k from TR + 40k from EU + 40k from BR + more 100k from the rest of the world. That's like 400k people that will watch Masters.
well thats bold of you to assume that each region has entirely different viewers.
heisback [#26]That is such Bullshit Hekzy, just stop man.
CSGO is only big cause of watch parties also then, cause if it weren't for Gaules here in Brazil, all of CSGO matches would have at least 50k less viewers than they normal have.
what are you talking about man. CSGO hit 1.3m viewers without gaules. That happened 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 year ago. Without gaules.
beb0p [#19]shroud gets usually gets his highest viewer count when he’s streaming pro matches. so if they were there for shroud, why wouldn’t they watch his other streams?
but why dont people watch the main stream? even when shroud is not doing a watchparty the main stream doesnt get as many viewers. That's my point.
hekzy [#56]what are you talking about man. CSGO hit 1.3m viewers without gaules. That happened 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 year ago. Without gaules.
Boston major 2018? FaZe vs C9?
heisback [#27]No, Gaules streams are like watch parties, he makes his insights about the game, but that's it. Also, every single tournament in CS that gets 200k+ are international events with teams from all around the world, while Valorant tournaments are regional, so just add up the numbers from each region when we get to Iceland and you will have your numbers. 100k from NA + 100k from TR + 40k from EU + 40k from BR + more 100k from the rest of the world. That's like 400k people that will watch Masters.
I can gaurantee you that most of the viewers are just people watching different regions. I doubt that Masters will get 400k, it will probably get similar numbers to S-tier CSGO tourneys. It will probably be closer to 50-100k depending on the teams, with Grands maybe going to 300k.
V0sotros [#59]I can gaurantee you that most of the viewers are just people watching different regions. I doubt that Masters will get 400k, it will probably get similar numbers to S-tier CSGO tourneys. It will probably be closer to 50-100k depending on the teams, with Grands maybe going to 300k.
I agree👍
greedeetv [#2]It depends on the relevancy of CSGO and other shooter games imo. Right now it's pretty popular because it's flashy and streamers like Shroud and Sykkuno sometimes play it.
+1, there's a possibility that it'll be like fortnite and fall out of favor after a while
heisback [#28]No it doesn't beb0p. It's clear that Valorant has a lot more viewers than CS atm, CS tournaments have the best teams around the world playing each other, while Valorant tournaments are regional, if you add up the viewership of every regional tournament it will surpass CSGO with ease. Doesn't even come close. Val right now has higher numbers and it's growing, while CS is diminishing.
a tier 3 match fixed tournemant against 2 CIS teams got more viewers than the 2 best val EU rosters.
heisback [#51]Ok, where are the evidence to support your claims man? You are smarter than that. Every good team is in EU playing, so of course their tournaments are the same as world tournaments.
What are you talking about? Tournaments nowadays don't get more than 300k viewers, I remember watching Astralis VS VP with more than 1 million, first international masters will already surpass CSGO numbers with ease, also the number of concurrent viewers in Valorant are almost aways higher than CS in twitch.
what has concurrent viewers to do when you are comparing the esport site of the game?
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