Leorge said they were tired of losing and really wanted to build a winning team, yet they put Shroud on the LCQ team like they had a chance with his -20 ass, i think tehy just want clout till it doesnt suit them and then they create scapegoats for management decisions
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titanwithpp [#3]It was a huge clout move for sure. Someone who didn't compete in years and really didn't put much time in Valorant being signed for LCQ where everything matters was obviously not something a winning team would do. Feels like that clout alone helped SEN become a considerable option for partnership
Nah they would have gotten to the partnership regardless, they could have actually won the whole thing without his ass going -20 and trying to bomb plant when the wall is fkin broken into half already. But now players have to suffer with the 'content creator' tag even though they barely stream. Unfortunate.
SkyX [#5]The shroud move was obviously for clout bro, they're not trying to fool anyone. They were trying their best to get into franchising so they did that.
But now it seems like they're actually trying to win, with the signing of sykko, Kaplan, zekken, etc.
what this guy said ^
SaltyMcNulty [#4]Nah they would have gotten to the partnership regardless, they could have actually won the whole thing without his ass going -20 and trying to bomb plant when the wall is fkin broken into half already. But now players have to suffer with the 'content creator' tag even though they barely stream. Unfortunate.
With shroud I doubt they could've won. You don't sign a retired player to play in Tier 1 tournament.
Perma [#7]werent u a sen dickrider for awhole year? what happen my fren
i like them for their core, not for them, also t1 kekw
charizard_123 [#9]Thats not hypocrisy thats just changing mentality through time and learning with your mistakes
they were losing before that, its called a fucing LCQ, they should've learned by then
SkyX [#5]The shroud move was obviously for clout bro, they're not trying to fool anyone. They were trying their best to get into franchising so they did that.
But now it seems like they're actually trying to win, with the signing of sykko, Kaplan, zekken, etc.
they wouldve gotten in either way my boi. So they get too choose when to win and drop the players who had to suffer because of their decions? what if the core had gotten to champions with a different player than shroud? kinda cringe ngl
sheahhhh [#10]i like them for their core, not for them, also t1 kekw
also T1 will smoke geng, we got Spyder on smokes
Perma [#12]bandwagon + tenz owns ratzam
LMAO SEWER RAT ORG WITH SAYA ON SMOKES KEEP LOSING SHITTER UR COACHES ARE ASS
sheahhhh [#15]LMAO SEWER RAT ORG WITH SAYA ON SMOKES KEEP LOSING SHITTER UR COACHES ARE ASS
#14 + Faker owns chovy
sheahhhh [#11]they were losing before that, its called a fucing LCQ, they should've learned by then
Thats a completely different point lol
titanwithpp [#8]With shroud I doubt they could've won. You don't sign a retired player to play in Tier 1 tournament.
That's what i meant, they probably could have won that without shroud and with one shooter like zekken alongside tenz.
there was nothing they could do before lcq to help them win lol what coach or players could they pick up last minute to improve them that drastically obviously with franchising some of the best coaches and players are available so they could go into a full rebuild now.. there were no drastic upgrades available during lcq now there are its that simple.. some of you "sen fans" just do everything you can to blame the org and not ur favorite streamers for falling behind and not working as hard as other teams but hey thats just me i guess
edit: btw its obvious why they went with shroud and it worked considering they made franchsing which was the end goal
charizard_123 [#17]Thats a completely different point lol
u literally said they learn with mistakes, they made mistakes before lcq, they should've fixed them by lcq GET IT?
manwhat [#19]there was nothing they could do before lcq to help them win lol what coach or players could they pick up last minute to improve them that drastically obviously with franchising some of the best coaches and players are available so they could go into a full rebuild now.. there were no drastic upgrades available during lcq now there are its that simple.. some of you "sen fans" just do everything you can to blame the org and not ur favorite streamers for falling behind and not working as hard as other teams but hey thats just me i guess
edit: btw its obvious why they went with shroud and it worked considering they made franchsing which was the end goal
bro said drastic upgrade like any tier 1 smokes player wouldve been better (skuba), shroud was a fucing content creator u dumbass
sheahhhh [#21]bro said drastic upgrade like any tier 1 smokes player wouldve been better (skuba), shroud was a fucing content creator u dumbass
lmao u know im right so you go straight to insults.. classic vlr user and btw skuba isn't a tier one smokes player but keep coping lil bro you do everything to deflect blame from the rest of the players any player they brought in would have two weeks prac either way it was not going to change the outcome what about everyone saying before lcq they didn't practice often? what the excuse for that? the org fault too huh? ur hilarious cause there were other tourneys before lcq where they picked up kanpeki but no one complained huh they didnt care its that simple go cry ur streamers are gone go find another team to cry about
sheahhhh [#20]u literally said they learn with mistakes, they made mistakes before lcq, they should've fixed them by lcq GET IT?
Im saying that that has nothing to do with hypocrisy lmao. People arent robots who change after every mistake, of course they wouldve given shahzam a final chance after what he has done for them
manwhat [#22]lmao u know im right so you go straight to insults.. classic vlr user and btw skuba isn't a tier one smokes player but keep coping lil bro you do everything to deflect blame from the rest of the players any player they brought in would have two weeks prac either way it was not going to change the outcome what about everyone saying before lcq they didn't practice often? what the excuse for that? the org fault too huh? ur hilarious cause there were other tourneys before lcq where they picked up kanpeki but no one complained huh they didnt care its that simple go cry ur streamers are gone go find another team to cry about
the content creator they brough in before hand that got -20 per match and they still won a game and made 2 matches close, ur just braindead so u don't understand the difference between a content creator and a tier 1 smokes player
yes they played kanpeki and made sick play smokes very nice, do u even hear urself ur quite delusional
charizard_123 [#23]Im saying that that has nothing to do with hypocrisy lmao. People arent robots who change after every mistake, of course they wouldve given shahzam a final chance after what he has done for them
shahz cant do anything with a shitter on his team, shroud was their worst mistake by far I didn't know after bad mistakes u make worse mistakes???
charizard_123 [#9]Thats not hypocrisy thats just changing mentality through time and learning with your mistakes
But you are throwing rest of the members under the bus. TenZ could have easily gotten into a T1 team if they won that shit. shahz wouldn't have lost his job but I have less sympathy for him since he approved the move.
sheahhhh [#24]the content creator they brough in before hand that got -20 per match and they still won a game and made 2 matches close, ur just braindead so u don't understand the difference between a content creator and a tier 1 smokes player
yes they played kanpeki and made sick play smokes very nice, do u even hear urself ur quite delusional
skuba is not a tier one smokes player but ur calling me braindead.. i can name 7-10 better smokes players in na.. marved,bang,supamen,zander,valyn,aproto,moose,ayrin and most of those players had teams but i guess he is tier 1 to u lol..u know nothing about competitive valorant ur just a follower who repeats what they hear
manwhat [#28]skuba is not a tier one smokes player but ur calling me braindead.. i can name 7-10 better smokes players in na.. marved,bang,supamen,zander,valyn,aproto,moose,ayrin and most of those players had teams but i guess he is tier 1 to u lol..u know nothing about competitive valorant ur just a follower who repeats what they hear
so u are saying skuba is the same skill lvl as shroud let me confirm
sheahhhh [#25]shahz cant do anything with a shitter on his team, shroud was their worst mistake by far I didn't know after bad mistakes u make worse mistakes???
So u think sen management just forced shahzam and the team to play with shroud without their approval after over 2 years of doing stuff their way. Its clear shahzam wanted to play with shroud
sheahhhh [#25]shahz cant do anything with a shitter on his team, shroud was their worst mistake by far I didn't know after bad mistakes u make worse mistakes???
rat is the worst on sen, zombs wasnt the problem
sheahhhh [#24]the content creator they brough in before hand that got -20 per match and they still won a game and made 2 matches close, ur just braindead so u don't understand the difference between a content creator and a tier 1 smokes player
yes they played kanpeki and made sick play smokes very nice, do u even hear urself ur quite delusional
LMAO i just saw in one of ur replies u said shaz is better than fns yeah u know nothing about the game at all.. im not debating with someone that stupid every coach and gm in valorant would say fns is a top 3 igl in the world but i guess u know best
SaltyMcNulty [#27]But you are throwing rest of the members under the bus. TenZ could have easily gotten into a T1 team if they won that shit. shahz wouldn't have lost his job but I have less sympathy for him since he approved the move.
Changing mentality to try to win and dropping tenz are to different issues and definitely not coinciding. If anything they should keep him, but again, thats a different issue than hypocrisy 🤷♂️
charizard_123 [#30]So u think sen management just forced shahzam and the team to play with shroud without their approval after over 2 years of doing stuff their way. Its clear shahzam wanted to play with shroud
yes shahz wanted to play with Shroud, shroud doesn't even like shahz, its obvious tenz or some shit wanted him nah it was def management
manwhat [#32]LMAO i just saw in one of ur replies u said shaz is better than fns yeah u know nothing about the game at all.. im not debating with someone that stupid every coach and gm in valorant would say fns is a top 3 igl in the world but i guess u know best
dodged the question HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
sheahhhh [#29]so u are saying skuba is the same skill lvl as shroud let me confirm
last time im responding but nope im not saying that but bringing in skuba instead does not change the result with such little time to practice there are bound to be mistakes whether u have shroud or marved for two weeks and thats the reality of it.. but keep using shroud as ur scapegoat and giving no one else blame
manwhat [#36]last time im responding but nope im not saying that but bringing in skuba instead does not change the result with such little time to practice there are bound to be mistakes whether u have shroud or marved for two weeks and thats the reality of it.. but keep using shroud as ur scapegoat and giving no one else blame
shroud is going -20 2/3 games bro do you not understand how bad that is, almost no one did close to that bad on both teams when SEN played, it was literally a 4 v 5 it doesn't matter about practice. a seasoned t1 smoker is just not doing that
sheahhhh [#37]shroud is going -20 2/3 games bro do you not understand how bad that is, almost no one did close to that bad on both teams when SEN played, it was literally a 4 v 5 it doesn't matter about practice. a seasoned t1 smoker is just not doing that
dickridaaaaaaa
sheahhhh [#37]shroud is going -20 2/3 games bro do you not understand how bad that is, almost no one did close to that bad on both teams when SEN played, it was literally a 4 v 5 it doesn't matter about practice. a seasoned t1 smoker is just not doing that
its really funny that you believe the org was forcing the team to make these moves its widely known in valorant halo and even the apex scene that sen as an org gives their players the power over roster moves and such hence shaz saying the players wanted to bench zombs, them signing kanpeki because of tenz recommendation, and even them hiring rawkus.. yes kaplan was the first option but his buyout was expensive which is not the org's fault lol but there were other experienced coaches available and not first time, team friend, coach rawkus but shaz decided on that he has literally said he himself chose rawkus many times but yeah everything is the org's fault ur pathetic u do everything u can to deflect blame from shaz its honestly sad that u defend someone who does not know u exist so hard but i guess it's the org's fault for trying to win now lol u shouldnt even care about den anymore if ur only there for shaz and tenz cause its likely neither of them are there anymore so find a new team and let it go lil bro trust its better for ur mental health
sheahhhh [#11]they were losing before that, its called a fucing LCQ, they should've learned by then
They even lost really bad in Stage 1 but they dropped Zombs for Kanpeki. Don't you think they should've learnt from their mistakes and prepped well for Stage 2? If they had set this bootcamp and signed these analysts before Stage 2 Challengers then they could've done better. LCQ was a last ditch attempt to fix several mistakes and therefore the short term prep backfired.
manwhat [#39]its really funny that you believe the org was forcing the team to make these moves its widely known in valorant halo and even the apex scene that sen as an org gives their players the power over roster moves and such hence shaz saying the players wanted to bench zombs, them signing kanpeki because of tenz recommendation, and even them hiring rawkus.. yes kaplan was the first option but his buyout was expensive which is not the org's fault lol but there were other experienced coaches available and not first time, team friend, coach rawkus but shaz decided on that he has literally said he himself chose rawkus many times but yeah everything is the org's fault ur pathetic u do everything u can to deflect blame from shaz its honestly sad that u defend someone who does not know u exist so hard but i guess it's the org's fault for trying to win now lol u shouldnt even care about den anymore if ur only there for shaz and tenz cause its likely neither of them are there anymore so find a new team and let it go lil bro trust its better for ur mental health
U keep repeating the same bullshit and dodge the fact about Shroud
NG1nS [#40]that was before franchising dickhead, they had to get it in to compete seriously remember?
Stfu u dumbass, they were already in even u who had 0 iq would k ow that
noobmaster3000 [#41]Its just business bro, your team hasnt been performing enough to attend any international events and you have to rely on others losses for getting into lcq, and your igl is going around throwing excuses and your prodigy player is getting 1 kill on jett, why wouldnt you drop them
They could've performed if they didn't have shroud for lcq they won 1 game and almost beat both finalists
sheahhhh [#13]they wouldve gotten in either way my boi. So they get too choose when to win and drop the players who had to suffer because of their decions? what if the core had gotten to champions with a different player than shroud? kinda cringe ngl
they would not have won lcq with jesus christ as the 5th man
Sugma [#46]they would not have won lcq with jesus christ as the 5th man
no shit, Jesus Christ has never even played Valorant and there would be a language barrier
sheahhhh [#43]U keep repeating the same bullshit and dodge the fact about Shroud
ngl u gotta be the most braindead shaz dick sucker in the world
Perma [#14]also T1 will smoke geng, we got Spyder on smokes
you got ban on your team, please you guys are already trash
OPTIC_YAY_NO1_FAN [#48]you got ban on your team, please you guys are already trash
ban is way better than you think he is
Sugma [#46]they would not have won lcq with jesus christ as the 5th man
They almost beat the finalists with a dude going -20, do you understand what that means?
babysasuke [#47]no shit, Jesus Christ has never even played Valorant and there would be a language barrier
language barrier 💀
sheahhhh [#49]They almost beat the finalists with a dude going -20, do you understand what that means?
it means you're reaching
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