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I mean the roles match up almost perfectly, C9 needs another initiator alongside Xeppaa and an entry with Leaf likely awping a bit more. The obvious problem is the sentinel role but leaf and crashies could probably take that over. Personally i'd prefer zekken and trent but the OPTIC boys would also be good.
GooberBoy [#3]I mean the roles match up almost perfectly, C9 needs another initiator alongside Xeppaa and an entry with Leaf likely awping a bit more. The obvious problem is the sentinel role but leaf and crashies could probably take that over. Personally i'd prefer zekken and trent but the OPTIC boys would also be good.
If Zellsis is confirmed the roles would clash with both Xeppaa and Zellsis
Mjtchell [#4]If Zellsis is confirmed the roles would clash with both Xeppaa and Zellsis
i dont think daddy is going to go to c9 i think hes prolly gonna go back to sen but we'll see
Mjtchell [#4]If Zellsis is confirmed the roles would clash with both Xeppaa and Zellsis
Xeppaa is best at Fade Skye Kayo and will likely play a role similar to Stax since he's significantly better at initiators than duelist
Zellsis is better at Raze, Neon, Kayo and likely the sentinel role who will probably play more aggro. It would probably be like FNC where alfajer plays entry and sentinel and Mistic was a full time initiator.
GooberBoy [#6]Xeppaa is best at Fade Skye Kayo and will likely play a role similar to Stax since he's significantly better at initiators than duelist
Zellsis is better at Raze, Neon, Kayo and likely the sentinel role who will probably play more aggro. It would probably be like FNC where alfajer plays entry and sentinel and Mistic was a full time initiator.
Idk Xeppaa's raze imo is too good to not have him in a role like Asuna or Zellsis
Mjtchell [#7]Idk Xeppaa's raze imo is too good to not have him in a role like Asuna or Zellsis
I hate to say it but his Raze is not good lol
https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=14&event_id=all®ion=na&country=all&min_rounds=100&min_rating=1800&agent=raze&map_id=all×pan=all
Raze was c9's biggest single character weakness all year. Leaf and Xeppaa both sucked at it, and guys like Zellsis, Zekken, Victor were notably better. His Kayo is comfortably top 10 NA(Not Asuna Nismo Zekken level but still great) and his Skye and Fade were statistically the best in NA. My guess is he also picks up sova, breach, and sage a bit more next year as well.
blitzz_ [#8]A team of Leaf-Vanity-Xeppa-Victor-Crashies is solid but has a lower ceiling compared to the old optic roster imo, I can see them consistently making LAN but championship level? Not so sure..
yup, cuz FNS >>> Vanity
GooberBoy [#9]I hate to say it but his Raze is not good lol
https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=14&event_id=all®ion=na&country=all&min_rounds=100&min_rating=1800&agent=raze&map_id=all×pan=all
Raze was c9's biggest single character weakness all year. Leaf and Xeppaa both sucked at it, and guys like Zellsis, Zekken, Victor were notably better. His Kayo is comfortably top 10 NA(Not Asuna Nismo Zekken level but still great) and his Skye and Fade were statistically the best in NA. My guess is he also picks up sova, breach, and sage a bit more next year as well.
If you look at both his all time and 90 day stats on Xeppaa's profile his raze is above average.
You filtered by only VCT of this year. C9 this year seemed to really have an identity crisis with their composition of their comps, and the stats show for everyone on C9 not just Xeppaa. He's still one of the better Razes imo
Mjtchell [#11]If you look at both his all time and 90 day stats on Xeppaa's profile his raze is above average.
You filtered by only VCT of this year. C9 this year seemed to really have an identity crisis with their composition of their comps, and the stats show for everyone on C9 not just Xeppaa. He's still one of the better Razes imo
His 3 raze games were against NYFU, Soniqs, and Virtuoso. I'm sorry but who cares if he puts up 280 ACS against those teams. Even his all time stats aren't impressive, especially compared to Asuna, Nismo, Jawgemo, etc. If you're going to make a franchised team you need to be top 5 on your role, and there's for sure about 10 guys better than him on raze. Even if you wanna do all time rankings, his raze is still not that impressive, especially when he's putting up the same fragging numbers on skye and fade. https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=all&event_id=all®ion=na&country=all&min_rounds=200&min_rating=1800&agent=raze&map_id=all×pan=all
GooberBoy [#12]His 3 raze games were against NYFU, Soniqs, and Virtuoso. I'm sorry but who cares if he puts up 280 ACS against those teams. Even his all time stats aren't impressive, especially compared to Asuna, Nismo, Jawgemo, etc. If you're going to make a franchised team you need to be top 5 on your role, and there's for sure about 10 guys better than him on raze. Even if you wanna do all time rankings, his raze is still not that impressive, especially when he's putting up the same fragging numbers on skye and fade. https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=all&event_id=all®ion=na&country=all&min_rounds=200&min_rating=1800&agent=raze&map_id=all×pan=all
Instead of looking at just these one sided stats how about you actually watch him play raze please for the love of god.
Let's take a look at when C9 was successful during VCT 2021 the only other person that can even compare is Sick.
Xeppaa is good on any role and hes doing good in the initiator spot because he is now the one who has to fill into that role.
Xeppaa playing raze is still insane, but with how complex team play is starting to get, he doesnt have the type of players who can support his entry like Xeta was able to do.
Stop tunnel visioning stats and actually watch the games PLEASE. Not everything is stats, and there is more context to why the stats are the way that they are.
avepalto [#10]yup, cuz FNS >>> Vanity
Yea, that's a large part of it, I don't think people realize how many rounds and games FNS''s mid rounding/calling won optic
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