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Turkish crowd misunderstanding

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#1
Barisos22

People seem to be very harsh towards the crowd but i don't think they fully understand everything.

1) We never not clapped for anyone when they showed up on stage, we never disrespected any player or team. Its just that our sound didn't go through to the stream when we only clapped(for example, people seem to think there was no reaction for ayrin, but i was surprised/saddened to hear that as we DID clap for him, like we did for everyone) It seems our voice can only be heard when we scream, and even then it is not at the level it actually is(in terms of how loud the atmoshpere actually is)

2) The fact that we only CLAPPED for xset players and then screamed until our voices were gone for alfajer shouldn't mean we disrespected xset. The situation of FNATIC is special for this crowd, and NA people really should be understanding of the cheering amount difference between these two teams. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CLAPPED AND CHERED FOR XSET WHEN THEY SHOWED UP ON STAGE, JUST NOT AS MUCH AS WE DID FOR ALFAJER, AND EU STREAM SEEMS TO HAVE DIFFICULTIES CAPTURING OUR SOUND.

3)We are not EU, we are TR. Yes we are biased towards the likes of scream and boaster compared to ayrin or zekken, but that should be expected? Im sorry but most people in TR region don't know who some of the NA players are(i do but many don't). And yet like i said, no one disrespected them, booed at them(EXCEPT xset coach) and clapped for them when they won a good round or when they showed up on stage. I am only telling this to further explain why the cheering levels were different, but again NO ONE WAS NOT CHEERED FOR IN THIS EVENT.

4)WE ONLY BOOED THE XSET COACH, AND THAT WAS WHEN HE SAID WHY SO QUIET AND SHUSHED US. WE DIDN'T BOO AT ANY XSET PLAYER(personally i admire bcj, watched his documentary) AND WE DIDNT BOO AT XSET COACH BECAUSE THEY WERE NA AND WE WERE EMEA. MOST PEOPLE IN TR DON'T GIVE A FK ABOUT EU VS NA. The coach disrespected us first, don't forget that. The only turkish person representing us is playing against you, don't be mad that there is a cheering amount difference between your team and fnatic.

5)We cheered/screamed for both drx and optic when they were playing against emea teams. DRX fans were half the arena. And there was funny banter between liquid and optic fans in the crowd. Liquid fans tried to shush the optic fans by whisteling, so optic fans screamed even louder. Especially on the third map they were quiet hyped up. If you don't believe me, please watch yay's interview after the liquid match.

FNATIC IS A SPECIAL TEAM FOR TR BECAUSE OF ALFAJER, THE WAY ACEND WAS LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF CNED, so when the coach disrespected us(which is in the nature of sports to shush a crowd) we booed at him(which is also in the nature of competitive sports). UNDERSTAND THAT WE AIMED FOR THIS ARENA TO BE A HOME TURF FOR FNATIC/ALFAJER. You may not like this concept as you may want everyone to be happy and cheered for equally, but Turkey and Eastern Europe in general when it comes to sports has a VERY competitive and proud nature. If you feel bad for xset because we only CLAPPED for them while we SCREAMED for fnatic, you should really stay away from football or any kind of sports in this area of the world. It was just unfortunate that one of the less known teams(in TR) were against the team whole TR region supports. If this match was between xset liquid, you can be sure that cheers would be on a higher level for xset.

We showed respect to xset by clapping for them when they won a good round and when they showed up on stage. We NEVER disrespected anyone in this event and we were never quiet for any team.

NOTE: Since we wanted XSET to feel like the away team, their coach has the right to shush us when he wins. I only called it disrespect because people called us disrespectfull. I also feel we have the right to boo at him for this act. For me, these things are part of competitive sports with crowds. I can write right here that xset played much better than fnatic and fully deserved that win. Cryo was insane. We have no issues with any player, we just gave a reaction to the coach's action which was probably his right seeing the difference between cheering amounts.

ADDITION: Just now we screamed for fpx and continued to clap for leviatan players. Some even screamed for lev but as should be expected, not as much as fpx. I don't know how much of it was heard from the stream.

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a lot of people don't realise how big of an effect production mixing has on crowd volume

even in other games - i was at the PGL stockholm major, there were many times when the audience did something super loud and not heard on stream at all, and mainly only chants (rewatched after)

great crowd yesterday, aswell as the day before.

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W crowd

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minte [#2]

a lot of people don't realise how big of an effect production mixing has on crowd volume

even in other games - i was at the PGL stockholm major, there were many times when the audience did something super loud and not heard on stream at all, and mainly only chants (rewatched after)

great crowd yesterday, aswell as the day before.

Thank you for understanding.

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Why are they turning down the crowd so much it makes the stream more exciting to hear how excited the crowd gets

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Inadequit [#5]

Why are they turning down the crowd so much it makes the stream more exciting to hear how excited the crowd gets

probably to make caster sound more clear, happens in most games

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no worries
esports nerds are just soft and whiny as always

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Had to be said and im glad its been clarified now, tbh even through the stream i could tell there was no hostility only bias which is completely understandable towards a hometown player.
XSET coach is a dick and has no respect for what he pulled, the rest of the team and Optic were much more professional and even heard optic receiving applauds for the way they played.

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nice

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imagine if we had cNed playing at champs

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Hecking_Love_Tenz [#7]

no worries
esports nerds are just soft and whiny as always

You're definitely one of them.

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why so quiet isn't disrespect tho its just banter

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NG1nS
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Fr33style [#12]

why so quiet isn't disrespect tho its just banter

and boo'ing is banter

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Unsicklaupedy
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so Xset coach abused the misunderstanding?

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NG1nS [#13]

and boo'ing is banter

never had a problem with booing it's fun

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Unsicklaupedy [#14]

so Xset coach abused the misunderstanding?

The XSET coach mentioned in his post-match comments that it's a 'show'
There is no disrespect on either side.

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too bad i ain't reading that long

#18
Gyro
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chill dude, i loved watching turkish crowd, ppl here are just dumb and dont understanding home support.
i think most ppl dont watch sports so they dont get it, like imagine, asking arsenal fans to cheer for united or spurs or asking indians to cheer for aus just cause they played "good" that day.

obvsly everything shld be kept in game, and not turn to toxic hate outside of it

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Fr33style [#12]

why so quiet isn't disrespect tho its just banter

TBH yeah we wanted them to feel like the away team so he has the right to shush us when he wins. I only called it disrespect because people called us disrespectfull. I also feel we have the right to boo at him for this act. For me, these things are part of competitive sports with crowds. I can write right here that xset played much better than fnatic and fully deserved that win. Cryo was insane. We have no issues with any player, we just gave a reaction to the coach's action which was probably his right seeing the difference between cheering amounts.

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Gutssz [#16]

The XSET coach mentioned in his post-match comments that it's a 'show'
There is no disrespect on either side.

The guy just hit 5k followers 20 hours ago and now he's almost 6.5k, creating such a drama just for followers (I admire him for his intelligence but he's low on character)

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alright, i respect the clarification and i'll take your word for it.

it was kind of hard to believe at first because it was EXTREMELY silent for ayrin yet the claps were extremely audible for the rest of fnatic, i guess it must've been a noise gate thing. i don't think anyone rational is upset at the crowd supporting a team more, that makes total sense. but i personally hated the disrespect that came with no claps or applause for the walkouts since that's more a sign of respect rather than a sign of support for another team.

if they clapped for xset then there's no problem. fuck riot production then

p.s. i think the booing is totally fine, it's all banter just like what xset's coach did. people are upset at that but they're stupid for that. it's all in good fun

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W take I read all of it

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Subreezy [#21]

alright, i respect the clarification and i'll take your word for it.

it was kind of hard to believe at first because it was EXTREMELY silent for ayrin yet the claps were extremely audible for the rest of fnatic, i guess it must've been a noise gate thing. i don't think anyone rational is upset at the crowd supporting a team more, that makes total sense. but i personally hated the disrespect that came with no claps or applause for the walkouts since that's more a sign of respect rather than a sign of support for another team.

if they clapped for xset then there's no problem. fuck riot production then

p.s. i think the booing is totally fine, it's all banter just like what xset's coach did. people are upset at that but they're stupid for that. it's all in good fun

it's too quiet i can hear some crickets lmao

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DDot [#8]

Had to be said and im glad its been clarified now, tbh even through the stream i could tell there was no hostility only bias which is completely understandable towards a hometown player.
XSET coach is a dick and has no respect for what he pulled, the rest of the team and Optic were much more professional and even heard optic receiving applauds for the way they played.

i wouldn't call him a dick. xset is seen as the "enemy" and xset's coach played into that role by shushing the crowd and fnatic. it's all banter the same way booing is banter. you can't justify one and shame the other.

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Elcatsu
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NG1nS [#13]

and boo'ing is banter

banter - the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.

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Unsicklaupedy [#20]

The guy just hit 5k followers 20 hours ago and now he's almost 6.5k, creating such a drama just for followers (I admire him for his intelligence but he's low on character)

oh come on, i don't know if i became brainwashed by americans and their social media dramas but that's very normal

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DDot [#8]

Had to be said and im glad its been clarified now, tbh even through the stream i could tell there was no hostility only bias which is completely understandable towards a hometown player.
XSET coach is a dick and has no respect for what he pulled, the rest of the team and Optic were much more professional and even heard optic receiving applauds for the way they played.

Being overly hostile and toxic is definitely unacceptable, but I feel like XSET coach was perfectly fine. It just seemed like harmless banter, it adds some spice to the matches too.

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Elcatsu [#25]

banter - the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.

i don't even know how this is being downvoted lol is there anything wrong with the definition?

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Elcatsu [#25]

banter - the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.

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i don't give a fuck about what you think

#30
Unsicklaupedy
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NG1nS [#26]

oh come on, i don't know if i became brainwashed by americans and their social media dramas but that's very normal

https://twitter.com/SyykoNT/status/1568746303751864321?t=tNidUnwLZMQ8TbSAG0ezDg&s=19
I mean what he did was cruel

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hazard25 [#10]

imagine if we had cNed playing at champs

imagine the crowd lol gonna be worse. i just rather have copenhagen 5 times than this one

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Chirby [#27]

Being overly hostile and toxic is definitely unacceptable, but I feel like XSET coach was perfectly fine. It just seemed like harmless banter, it adds some spice to the matches too.

then nobody should complain about boo's

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how is that disrespect a by the XSET coach doing a "shh" gesture?

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Unsicklaupedy [#30]

https://twitter.com/SyykoNT/status/1568746303751864321?t=tNidUnwLZMQ8TbSAG0ezDg&s=19
I mean what he did was cruel

can u explain it? i don't get the reference and the istanbul answer

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Unsicklaupedy [#30]

https://twitter.com/SyykoNT/status/1568746303751864321?t=tNidUnwLZMQ8TbSAG0ezDg&s=19
I mean what he did was cruel

context please

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Elcatsu [#28]

i don't even know how this is being downvoted lol is there anything wrong with the definition?

eu fans needs a better reading comprehension ig seems these mofo can't understand basic definitions.

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NG1nS [#34]

can u explain it? i don't get the reference and the istanbul answer

https://twitter.com/EsportsDoug/status/1568674065061396482?t=FAoV0md3u7brq9ohZSvi4A&s=19

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Elcatsu [#36]

eu fans needs a better reading comprehension ig seems these mofo can't understand basic definitions.

mf i'm downvoting you too
you've been nothing but toxic in a thread that's meant to spread positivity and explain misconceptions and now you're complaining about downvotes? genuinely grow up

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Elcatsu
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Subreezy [#38]

mf i'm downvoting you too
you've been nothing but toxic in a thread that's meant to spread positivity and explain misconceptions and now you're complaining about downvotes? genuinely grow up

seriously tho what's wrong with the definition?

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Elcatsu [#39]

seriously tho what's wrong with the definition?

nothing's wrong, but everything else you've said in this thread has been cringe as fuck so why shouldn't people downvote you?

just log off and reconsider the hatred in your heart for a little bit and come back when you're better

#41
soraol
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OKAY

#42
DDot
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Subreezy [#24]

i wouldn't call him a dick. xset is seen as the "enemy" and xset's coach played into that role by shushing the crowd and fnatic. it's all banter the same way booing is banter. you can't justify one and shame the other.

thats the whole issue the crowd wasnt booing them till he tried to play some villain role acting like hes the main character, i would expect that from the players not him

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DDot [#42]

thats the whole issue the crowd wasnt booing them till he tried to play some villain role acting like hes the main character, i would expect that from the players not him

a coach is integral to a team's success, he has every right to banter as much as his players. i'm not saying the crowd was in the wrong for booing, all i said is that it's wrong to call him a dick for that.

#44
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Unsicklaupedy [#37]

https://twitter.com/EsportsDoug/status/1568674065061396482?t=FAoV0md3u7brq9ohZSvi4A&s=19

i don't understand what vandal episode means, i genuinely don't understand anything

#45
SigmaMale
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Me when I lie 🥱🥱🥱
Sykko got boos even during the walkout
https://clips.twitch.tv/FineAmazonianPelicanOSfrog-W7a3JRnUs4nhkkp9

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Barisos22
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SigmaMale [#45]

Me when I lie 🥱🥱🥱
Sykko got boos even during the walkout
https://clips.twitch.tv/FineAmazonianPelicanOSfrog-W7a3JRnUs4nhkkp9

How?

#47
NG1nS
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Barisos22 [#46]

How?

he's a baiter don't take him seriously

#48
Unsicklaupedy
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NG1nS [#44]

i don't understand what vandal episode means, i genuinely don't understand anything

search for the meaning of the word vandal

#49
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NG1nS [#47]

he's a baiter don't take him seriously

Sykko got boos even during the walkout
https://clips.twitch.tv/FineAmazonianPelicanOSfrog-W7a3JRnUs4nhkkp9

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SigmaMale [#49]

Sykko got boos even during the walkout
https://clips.twitch.tv/FineAmazonianPelicanOSfrog-W7a3JRnUs4nhkkp9

dude ur such a baiter u sent a wrong clip

#51
goofy_goober
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SigmaMale [#45]

Me when I lie 🥱🥱🥱
Sykko got boos even during the walkout
https://clips.twitch.tv/FineAmazonianPelicanOSfrog-W7a3JRnUs4nhkkp9

bro really showed a clip without sykko in it LMFAO

#52
NG1nS
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Unsicklaupedy [#48]

search for the meaning of the word vandal

i still don't get it, never mind i lost interest
u could've just explained it instead of this mystery play

#53
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Elcatsu [#17]

too bad i ain't reading that long

you act like people care

#54
SigmaMale
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NG1nS [#50]

dude ur such a baiter u sent a wrong clip

Mb check again

#55
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Inadequit [#5]

Why are they turning down the crowd so much it makes the stream more exciting to hear how excited the crowd gets

I yhink it's because turkish casting on the background

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goofy_goober [#51]

bro really showed a clip without sykko in it LMFAO

Check again

#57
Berkaybaba11
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nice explanation

#58
brado
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bros, you should boo the enemy. thats the whole point of home crowd advantage

ive made nhl goalies choke from all the chirps they get for an entire game. get into it!

#59
Inadequit
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AdS [#55]

I yhink it's because turkish casting on the background

Me personally, if I'm at the event. I wouldn't give a crap about the casting. I want the crowd lit. I'll just watch the screen. I don't need the casters walking me through everything lmao

#60
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I ain't reading all that

#61
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you dont need to justify home crowd support, brev. ignore the sensitive fans. I can guarantee you NA fans (as well as other regions) would do the same, especially in esports. majority enjoys the spice and shit talking, or the game wouldn't grow without it.

#62
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I swear these motherfuckers wouldn't be able to handle American sports arenas. It's all just banter at the end of the day. XSET coach playing the villain role perfectly. The booing is whatever.

#63
Perma
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minte [#2]

a lot of people don't realise how big of an effect production mixing has on crowd volume

even in other games - i was at the PGL stockholm major, there were many times when the audience did something super loud and not heard on stream at all, and mainly only chants (rewatched after)

great crowd yesterday, aswell as the day before.

MINTE W

#64
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Unsicklaupedy [#48]

search for the meaning of the word vandal

You realize Vandals is the name of Doug's podcast right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkONndmlP-c

Syyko is saying they should record an episode while in Istanbul. You are misunderstanding what he's saying.

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