How did we lose that last round on haven man? It should have never gone to haven either, that's the worst part! Lost against 2 ecos on breeze, lost both pistols and let Derrek win some insane clutches. People always say SEN guys have crazy mechanics but no strategy but I will be honest we lost this tournament bz in some crucial rounds we just got aim diffed, we couldn't shoot back. Actually sadge how we threw away against bot the tournament favorites in TGRD and 100T.
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valulrantefanboy [#3]If it was SIck instead of Shroud yeah maybe
May be. It's not like shroud can't shoot but he was overthinking a lot of the situations. Like at 11-12 on haven if he just holds high low with TenZ he at least gets one there but it's hindsight cz he probably anticipated getting naded there.
SaltyMcNulty [#5]May be. It's not like shroud can't shoot but he was overthinking a lot of the situations. Like at 11-12 on haven if he just holds high low with TenZ he at least gets one there but it's hindsight cz he probably anticipated getting naded there.
yeah, that TP was terrible. Zellsis was main factor that SEN got so many close series againts 100T and Guard but Shroud was SEN weakness
CraigGarth01 [#4]Sadge, but atleast this time it could be clearly seen that SEN had come prepared and had actually worked hard
So if they continue this hard work and make more team specific antistrats, they can be unstoppable in 2023
nah they were still catching up. Being 'unstoppable' is too far imo cz the to tier teams are insane and gonna be even more insane with the roster shuffles this year. We need change. Need at least 1 more cracked zoomer like Derrek or bang. We lose rounds just cz everyone but TenZ, zellsis lose favorable duels often.
Stupid Logic, it couldn't have been sentinels because they aren't good enough to win pistols, finish off derrek, comfortably win ecos, or close out haven. The team simply wasn't good enough. It doesn't matter if it was close or if the teams they played were really good, they still lost the game and didn't succeed. Don't act like they were on champions doorstep
elayaCL [#10]Man, if only Redgar wouldn't have bought a judge in that round...
KRU vs Gambit OT round? lol
dexter000111 [#11]If u wanna talk about "what could have been" then Haven should have ended at 13-9 when Zellsis got lucky with that lineup on 1 HP
Let's not forget that it was a light buy from 100T and should have never been that close. The point was that we threw and ofc It's a slippery slope but can't get over some of the rounds they threw and how often shroud, shahz and dapr got aim diffed. Ik the scoreboard didn't look like it but we threw Breeze harder than we did on haven.
SaltyMcNulty [#15]Only if dapr and Shroud could shoot that game man!
we just got really unlucky having to face Guard and 100T so early.
Ftwchad30 [#16]Sen would've won, if they had good comps. Also 100t was at there lowest that day, and the fact they still won proves that sen should not be there.
Derrek and Asuna played out of their minds and noone underperformed as far as im concerned. Dont try to discredit sen by saying 100t were at their worst.
h9zard [#17]we just got really unlucky having to face Guard and 100T so early.
That BS. We lost to mechanics even when we had the better positioning and read. Lost to ecos n shit. Dapr whiffed ez kills in an imp round on Breeze. mechanics wouldn't have improved if we faced them later down the road.
Ftwchad30 [#16]Sen would've won, if they had good comps. Also 100t was at there lowest that day, and the fact they still won proves that sen should not be there.
Comp wasn't ideal on haven but we should have just won Breeze. Won more gun rounds but lost against 2 ecos, lost both pistols. Lost when we were stacking site. Unlucky.
SaltyMcNulty [#19]That BS. We lost to mechanics even when we had the better positioning and read. Lost to ecos n shit. Dapr whiffed ez kills in an imp round on Breeze. mechanics wouldn't have improved if we faced them later down the road.
Thats what I said. If we had easier matchups first we could have warmed up and improved before matching up with them.
SaltyMcNulty [#7]nah they were still catching up. Being 'unstoppable' is too far imo cz the to tier teams are insane and gonna be even more insane with the roster shuffles this year. We need change. Need at least 1 more cracked zoomer like Derrek or bang. We lose rounds just cz everyone but TenZ, zellsis lose favorable duels often.
Sen bang would be hype but that'll never happen
h9zard [#21]Thats what I said. If we had easier matchups first we could have warmed up and improved before matching up with them.
How would have warming up helped when Dapr and Shroud can't first bullet to save their life? Imagine if we faced NRG, we could have just lost bc they have much better firepower. Valorant matchups doesn't linearly scale. Just cz we were decent against TGRD and 100T doesn't mean we would have won against NRG/EG.
Micahfinney05 [#22]Sen bang would be hype but that'll never happen
Nah we gotta have a roster bigger than an Army battalion but none of them fits the profile. Gotta go for the most clout replacement when insane FA controllers are out there, yep! I hate this org man.
SaltyMcNulty [#23]How would have warming up helped when Dapr and Shroud can't first bullet to save their life? Imagine if we faced NRG, we could have just lost bc they have much better firepower. Valorant matchups doesn't linearly scale. Just cz we were decent against TGRD and 100T doesn't mean we would have won against NRG/EG.
Bro dapr was really good in the first two series. I agree with shroud but like they signed shroud knowing that he wont be playing like a t1 player so thats expected. Im just saying if the bracket was different we could have gotten a top3 finish thats all.
h9zard [#25]Bro dapr was really good in the first two series. I agree with shroud but like they signed shroud knowing that he wont be playing like a t1 player so thats expected. Im just saying if the bracket was different we could have gotten a top3 finish thats all.
Dapr is good, I am not saying he isn't. I mean he is great with timings and making plays but 1v1 he can't shoot for shit.
h9zard [#18]Derrek and Asuna played out of their minds and noone underperformed as far as im concerned. Dont try to discredit sen by saying 100t were at their worst.
They forced Derrek to clutch so many rounds, they legit would've been out if Derrek wasn't peforming. The team were definitely at their worst, but Derrek and Asuna were indeed in form. Like if you watched the Faze or C9 game they were miles better when they versused Sen.
Ftwchad30 [#27]They forced Derrek to clutch so many rounds, they legit would've been out if Derrek wasn't peforming. The team were definitely at their worst, but Derrek and Asuna were indeed in form. Like if you watched the Faze or C9 game they were miles better when they versused Sen.
yeah ofc you say that when they 2-0d and 3-0d them. your only proof for that is they won cleaner against them so they were better. why cant it be that sen forced them to look that way? they did the same with the Guard.
h9zard [#28]yeah ofc you say that when they 2-0d and 3-0d them. your only proof for that is they won cleaner against them so they were better. why cant it be that sen forced them to look that way? they did the same with the Guard.
Because the coordination from 100T was poor, they overheated, took bad fights. Look im not saying Sen is bad but if you compared the coordination and teamplay from tdy's game or yesterday game it was a huge difference. They looked like a whole new team.
Ftwchad30 [#16]Sen would've won, if they had good comps. Also 100t was at there lowest that day, and the fact they still won proves that sen should not be there.
lmao they were at their lowest cause SEN put them there buddy
Ftwchad30 [#31]and they got dumped on
lmao u almost lost to a team with shroud going -23 trash can org
Ftwchad30 [#29]Because the coordination from 100T was poor, they overheated, took bad fights. Look im not saying Sen is bad but if you compared the coordination and teamplay from tdy's game or yesterday game it was a huge difference. They looked like a whole new team.
ofc they would have won if they played perfectly and everything went according to plan. whats ur point? the other team's job is to destroy the plans, force them to take bad duels and make them uncomfortable. when things are going to plan and the other team isn't doing shit they are obviously gonna look perfect like a whole new team... ?????
h9zard [#33]ofc they would have won if they played perfectly and everything went according to plan. whats ur point? the other team's job is to destroy the plans, force them to take bad duels and make them uncomfortable. when things are going to plan and the other team isn't doing shit they are obviously gonna look perfect like a whole new team... ?????
First off Sen did not force anyone to take bad duels, Im saying 100T THEMSELVES took bad duels/OVERHEAT. They had plays which were bold and not overall not good. For example after Asuna ace he got overconfident and died early forcing an ot, if he didn't do that, there wouldn't be a map 3. Second the argument of C9 and Faze is that they did played safer and less cocky as comparison to Sen match where they had full control of all maps. (They were also doing this against Sen but there ego got the best of them at many times, plus only one rly performing Derrek/Asuna). Finally, the main reason im "underrating or discrediting" Sen is they didn't play their comps to their strengths. Ran triple intitator but had nobody to follow up on site (no neon, raze). No duelist on breeze and avoided mid control. Again Sen played well but the factor that made it as close as it was 100T themselves which is also agreed upon by some pros such as FNS and Tarik. Thank you and Goodnight!
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