Guild 10th and FPX with full roster 6th, thats worse than Paper Rex, DRX and on level with XSET... They just have an EMEA hate boner this split, thanks Balla for being reasonable.
Classic platchat, on some teams/regions they always talk about what their strenghts are and overhype them while for others they just focus on their weaknesses, so funny when they said some weeks ago EMEA fell off and teams looked like shit while saying NA looked good when all matches are coinflips because every1 is just taking fights and there is no teamplay, no fundamentals and 0 structure
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Faraday [#6]guild is in a group with loud and optic so its 10th that unreasonable?
why not just rank the teams based on their strength and trust that people will have enough brain to see they lost to top ranked teams even if they finish badly?
Giannero [#2]Do people actually care about what platchat says lmao
I doubt it but its so funny, they dont make any sense, it feels like they only watch NA valorant, motherfuckers were putting zekken on top10 players and leo was 15th, NA player has 1 good match against ill optic and he is top 10 player in the event but Leo destroys EMEA for a whole year and he is barely top20, they always just put some EMEA players on the top10 to not get shit on them and then just fill it with NA players, they completly ignore any EMEA players who are not Derke, Alfajer or others who have no clout, they are also the same people who were putting shahzam in top10 last year when he was mediocre af
Faraday [#6]guild is in a group with loud and optic so its 10th that unreasonable?
we are ranking them on stenght afaik, they could also beat those 2 in a good day, they are underrated af
kocunar [#8]why not just rank the teams based on their strength and trust that people will have enough brain to see they lost to top ranked teams even if they finish badly?
trust that people will have enough brain
said on vlr about people that watch valorant
idkbro [#10]we are ranking them on stenght afaik, they could also beat those 2 in a good day, they are underrated af
oh ok, yeah they are prob sleeping on guild although I think most teams after 6th all have chance to beat each other tbh
kocunar [#5]Guild 10th is kinda ridiculous
true but FPX 6th with full roster is absurd, they have played 3 times against Fnatic who look like the best team we have ever seen and put a fight against them all 3 times and thats considering ange1 is literally playing from a country at war, fpx has the potential to win the event, they are the most adaptive team in valorant and they are the only team in all of valorant who have an experienced csgo IGL who had tier1-2 experienced from cs, most of these teams in copenhaguen have dogshit IGLs with no experience, ange1 is literally an old dog he knows almost every trick and he will punish you on LAN
Faraday [#12]oh ok, yeah they are prob sleeping on guild although I think most teams after 6th all have chance to beat each other tbh
I just feel trexx, sayf and leo is the best trio in valorant atm, they are underrating all 3 too much
- sayf: he has been playing kinda meh this stage but remember that last year he was one of the best players in all of EMEA, insane mechanics, flexibility, firepower and he is smart and by smart I mean he probably is on 130+ IQ no doubts
- leo: fucking animal just look at his stats, how can they rank zekken better than this guy
- trexx: animal, insane mechanics, great Raze in a raze meta, I dont like him playing duelist and would prefer for Guild to pick up a duelist main instead of Russ so sayf/trexx can play flex roles but he is still incredible player, just look at his stats
meyournightmare [#7]platchat is probly most NA biased podcast
some of them arent even american which makes it even funnier
idkbro [#14]I just feel trexx, sayf and leo is the best trio in valorant atm, they are underrating all 3 too much
- sayf: he has been playing kinda meh this stage but remember that last year he was one of the best players in all of EMEA, insane mechanics, flexibility, firepower and he is smart and by smart I mean he probably is on 130+ IQ no doubts
- leo: fucking animal just look at his stats, how can they rank zekken better than this guy
- trexx: animal, insane mechanics, great Raze in a raze meta, I dont like him playing duelist and would prefer for Guild to pick up a duelist main instead of Russ so sayf/trexx can play flex roles but he is still incredible player, just look at his stats
yeah but clearly they aren't doing as well as a team as their individuals
idkbro [#15]some of them arent even american which makes it even funnier
that means they all objective
I've been saying this exact same thing. They have been really anti-EMEA this year. I guess some of it makes sense, but some of their points just don't. I kind of compared this to situation like if EMEA was the oldest sibling in the family who always gets shit for mistakes and anything they do isn't seen as that impressive by the parents aka they focus way too much on the negatives, while most of the other regions especially NA this stage is like that little sister who gets all the attention and praises from the parents even for the smallest stuff aka they focus more on the positives(didn't happen in my family, but you get the picture). Everyone knows that EMEA was really successful on 2021 and especially Champions, but now when other regions have started to catch up and EMEA didn't have good Masters 1 for obvious reasons I think some people started to believe way more on these smaller regions while taking it away from EMEA.
But I also think part of it is just that they are keeping certain personalities and try to bring comedic value. Also majority of them are now working on NA staff so they spend way more hours around that scene and because of that has less time to focus on others. So even from that perspective it kind of makes sense why they see way more positives on let's say NA because they have to for work.
tonyhart7 [#17]that means they all objective
I mean they live in America so its understandable but it seems they never learn, EMEA shut their mouths in Champs and we will do it again
patuj [#18]I've been saying this exact same thing. They have been really anti-EMEA this year. I guess some of it makes sense, but some of their points just don't. I kind of compared this to situation like if EMEA was the oldest sibling in the family who always gets shit for mistakes and anything they do isn't seen as that impressive by the parents aka they focus way too much on the negatives, while most of the other regions especially NA this stage is like that little sister who gets all the attention and praises from the parents even for the smallest stuff aka they focus more on the positives(didn't happen in my family, but you get the picture). Everyone knows that EMEA was really successful on 2021 and especially Champions, but now when other regions have started to catch up and EMEA didn't have good Masters 1 for obvious reasons I think some people started to believe way more on these smaller regions while taking it away from EMEA.
But I also think part of it is just that they are keeping certain personalities and try to bring comedic value. Also majority of them are now working on NA staff so they spend way more hours around that scene and because of that has less time to focus on others. So even from that perspective it kind of makes sense why they see way more positives on let's say NA because they have to for work.
you are spot on m8
Gyro [#21]like how everyone crying abt plat chat being anti-EMEA
what did EMEA do last masters?
also, most of u dont even watch apac or kr/jp regions to have full understanding
so u all are the ones who are actually biased
What did Asia and South America do in 2021?
I'm not gonna mark EMEA as bad after a single event
Besides, G2 and TL are no longer our reps
People have set such high standard for EMEA that if we perform worse than this standard, they start to shit on us and beg Riot to decrease our slots (3 is already a joke but whatever)
EMEA got fucked by a war and for 1 international performance they underperform, now everyone think their best teams are worse than SEA, BR, JP, LATAM best teams. The community's reaction to NA underperformance at champs was not even close to being this reactionary or kneejerk. It's like ppl also forgot Guard went 0-2. Optic lost to xerxia + loud, then EG, then Xset in recent regional but they get treated like gods.
Do they not realize guild is better than both liquid and g2 previous LAN? I also tend to dislike how platchat base their opinions on 90% eyetest, and the stats that they do refer to are dogshit or very small sample size, 1-tournament performance type shit so player's consistency is lost and its all extremely recency bias.
All that being said, Balla is fine tho and got respectable takes.
no_noise_979 [#27]EMEA got fucked by a war and for 1 international performance they underperform, now everyone think their best teams are worse than SEA, BR, JP, LATAM best teams. The community's reaction to NA underperformance at champs was not even close to being this reactionary or kneejerk. It's like ppl also forgot Guard went 0-2. Optic lost to xerxia + loud, then EG, then Xset in recent regional but they get treated like gods.
Do they not realize guild is better than both liquid and g2 previous LAN? I also tend to dislike how platchat base their opinions on 90% eyetest, and the stats that they do refer to are dogshit or very small sample size, 1-tournament performance type shit so player's consistency is lost and its all extremely recency bias.
All that being said, Balla is fine tho and got respectable takes.
so true, also they complety ignore the fact g2 shouldnt have even made playoffs in emea and got lucky zeek didnt play against bbl, liquid are crap and fnatic had 2 subs, no good teams in masters from emea but they act like g2 was one of the best in emea lmao
Olofboost [#23]What did Asia and South America do in 2021?
I'm not gonna mark EMEA as bad after a single event
Besides, G2 and TL are no longer our repsPeople have set such high standard for EMEA that if we perform worse than this standard, they start to shit on us and beg Riot to decrease our slots (3 is already a joke but whatever)
so true, they set our standard that high that if we dont look incredible we are just dogshit
idkbro [#14]I just feel trexx, sayf and leo is the best trio in valorant atm, they are underrating all 3 too much
- sayf: he has been playing kinda meh this stage but remember that last year he was one of the best players in all of EMEA, insane mechanics, flexibility, firepower and he is smart and by smart I mean he probably is on 130+ IQ no doubts
- leo: fucking animal just look at his stats, how can they rank zekken better than this guy
- trexx: animal, insane mechanics, great Raze in a raze meta, I dont like him playing duelist and would prefer for Guild to pick up a duelist main instead of Russ so sayf/trexx can play flex roles but he is still incredible player, just look at his stats
I just feel trexx, sayf and leo is the best trio in valorant atm
this makes no sense when yay, marved, and victor exist
Sushi_ [#32]PLATCHAT: Only talks about EMEA and NA
Everyone: tHeiR diSrEspEcTiNg tHe oTheR rEgiOns
PLATCHAT: Give Apac and brazil/latam some proper respect and rate them fairly
Everyone: tHeY hAvE aN eMeA hAtE bOnErMfers really only watching emea playoffs then rating guild higher than all of apac lmfao
m8 I watch all regions, apac are not good, I am losing braincells watching PRX, literally the most counterable style ever, how can say you say guild is not better than all of apac? considering they only lost to fnatic/fpx who are the best teams in the tournament together with loud/optic, even g2 beat zeta last masters, g2 who should never had made it out of emea groups
idkbro [#33]m8 I watch all regions, apac are not good, I am losing braincells watching PRX, literally the most counterable style ever, how can say you say guild is not better than all of apac? considering they only lost to fnatic/fpx who are the best teams in the tournament together with loud/optic, even g2 beat zeta last masters, g2 who should never had made it out of emea groups
Saying PRX is an easily counterable style proves the only apac youve seen is at reykavik and maybe the xerxia vs prx finals. PRX has a ton of set plays to get man advantage and use controlled aggression incredibly well, combined with having two of the best fraggers in the world with jinggg and forsaken idk what your talking abt. Also guild? who lost to NAVI and got flattened by fpx? better than zeta and prx and drx, Zeta who finished 3rd at reykavik and only lost to g2 when they were good and optic? Prx who shit on g2 and tgrd (who had just played a nailbiter series against optic)? and drx who literally played optic closer than anyone else? This Apac slander is bullshit. Guild is solid, but there overrated by emea fanboys who watch apac once a year and say they watch apac.
idkbro [#33]m8 I watch all regions, apac are not good, I am losing braincells watching PRX, literally the most counterable style ever, how can say you say guild is not better than all of apac? considering they only lost to fnatic/fpx who are the best teams in the tournament together with loud/optic, even g2 beat zeta last masters, g2 who should never had made it out of emea groups
EMEA fanboy spotted. just because APAC doesnt play slow like EMEA doesnt mean that they didnt put a lot of thought into their set plays and also if it was easily counterable PRX wouldnt have reached 4th place last masters. get over yourself kid
KssS [#37]EMEA fanboy spotted. just because APAC doesnt play slow like EMEA doesnt mean that they didnt put a lot of thought into their set plays and also if it was easily counterable PRX wouldnt have reached 4th place last masters. get over yourself kid
no good emea teams in masters 1, thats why they got 4th
idkbro [#38]no good emea teams in masters 1, thats why they got 4th
So #2 seed from emea is bad. Damn emea must be a 1 team region, especially if g2 lost to such a bad team like prx
Gyro [#21]like how everyone crying abt plat chat being anti-EMEA
what did EMEA do last masters?
also, most of u dont even watch apac or kr/jp regions to have full understanding
so u all are the ones who are actually biased
Ok india
Sushi_ [#35]Saying PRX is an easily counterable style proves the only apac youve seen is at reykavik and maybe the xerxia vs prx finals. PRX has a ton of set plays to get man advantage and use controlled aggression incredibly well, combined with having two of the best fraggers in the world with jinggg and forsaken idk what your talking abt. Also guild? who lost to NAVI and got flattened by fpx? better than zeta and prx and drx, Zeta who finished 3rd at reykavik and only lost to g2 when they were good and optic? Prx who shit on g2 and tgrd (who had just played a nailbiter series against optic)? and drx who literally played optic closer than anyone else? This Apac slander is bullshit. Guild is solid, but there overrated by emea fanboys who watch apac once a year and say they watch apac.
lol u got no idea about the game, they are literally braindead, its not controlled aggression, 0 fundamentals, they just go push everything like morons, dont even play together, first thing I see in apac finals is prx in 2v1 and jing satcheling for the kill instead of waiting for his teammate and play together, they will get exposed by teams like fnatic and fpx who know how to counter agression, DRX are just dogshit, they think they can just do set plays every round, 0 midrounding, 0 elite defaulting, 0 capacity to adapt, they play the same way koreans played in csgo nothing changed, setups on defence and setplay/executes on attack, once you make the game chaotic and have to play on the fly instead of by the book they are tier99, thats why NA always shits on them too, DRX will never win a tournament with this playstyle, once you know what they do they are dogshit, mediocre players too
Sushi_ [#39]So #2 seed from emea is bad. Damn emea must be a 1 team region, especially if g2 lost to such a bad team like prx
g2 biggest flukers, shouldnt have never made it out groups, prx are better 100%, m3c fpx fnatic guild acend and even liquid were better than them in stage 1
idkbro [#41]lol u got no idea about the game, they are literally braindead, its not controlled aggression, 0 fundamentals, they just go push everything like morons, dont even play together, first thing I see in apac finals is prx in 2v1 and jing satcheling for the kill instead of waiting for his teammate and play together, they will get exposed by teams like fnatic and fpx who know how to counter agression, DRX are just dogshit, they think they can just do set plays every round, 0 midrounding, 0 elite defaulting, 0 capacity to adapt, they play the same way koreans played in csgo nothing changed, setups on defence and setplay/executes on attack, once you make the game chaotic and have to play on the fly instead of by the book they are tier99, thats why NA always shits on them too, DRX will never win a tournament with this playstyle, once you know what they do they are dogshit, mediocre players too
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok bro. masters is right around the corner lets see whether you are right or wrong. im just gonna leave this comment here so i can come back to this thread later.
idkbro [#41]lol u got no idea about the game, they are literally braindead, its not controlled aggression, 0 fundamentals, they just go push everything like morons, dont even play together, first thing I see in apac finals is prx in 2v1 and jing satcheling for the kill instead of waiting for his teammate and play together, they will get exposed by teams like fnatic and fpx who know how to counter agression, DRX are just dogshit, they think they can just do set plays every round, 0 midrounding, 0 elite defaulting, 0 capacity to adapt, they play the same way koreans played in csgo nothing changed, setups on defence and setplay/executes on attack, once you make the game chaotic and have to play on the fly instead of by the book they are tier99, thats why NA always shits on them too, DRX will never win a tournament with this playstyle, once you know what they do they are dogshit, mediocre players too
Yeah and g2 got 2-0'd by prx and their "braindead" play.
idkbro [#41]lol u got no idea about the game, they are literally braindead, its not controlled aggression, 0 fundamentals, they just go push everything like morons, dont even play together, first thing I see in apac finals is prx in 2v1 and jing satcheling for the kill instead of waiting for his teammate and play together, they will get exposed by teams like fnatic and fpx who know how to counter agression, DRX are just dogshit, they think they can just do set plays every round, 0 midrounding, 0 elite defaulting, 0 capacity to adapt, they play the same way koreans played in csgo nothing changed, setups on defence and setplay/executes on attack, once you make the game chaotic and have to play on the fly instead of by the book they are tier99, thats why NA always shits on them too, DRX will never win a tournament with this playstyle, once you know what they do they are dogshit, mediocre players too
Man says ive got no idea about the game than looks at prx and says 0 fundamentals im fucking dead lmao. Did you watch a jinggg highlight video that was 5 minutes long of him running around styling on people and assumed that was prx's gameplan in a nutshell. Forsaken and Jinggg are aggresive, but davai and mindfreak are always close behind them ready to effectively trade and support them with util. Benkai has some excellent lurks and great calling. They make use aof set plays to incredible success which allows them to get man advantage and win rounds. My man opened up xerxia vs prx, watched round 1, closed it, than made the thread. As for DRX, while i agree they are somewhat inflexible which has been their downfall, there protocalls, set strats and set plays are incredibly solid. They struggle with midrounding but forcing drx to have to divert from their original strategy is still ridiculously hard and requires extensive anti stratting. Stop basing entire regions off of two rounds you saw in a highlight reel.
Jwpp33 [#44]Yeah and g2 got 2-0'd by prx and their "braindead" play.
I mean, g2 are not good, dogshit players and braindead playstyle too also no1 was really expecting this playstyle from PRX, now every1 is ready for them and they are no longer underdogs, they have the pressure to perform since they are one of the favourites, kinda delusional to think that playstyle wont get countered by serious teams
Sushi_ [#45]Man says ive got no idea about the game than looks at prx and says 0 fundamentals im fucking dead lmao. Did you watch a jinggg highlight video that was 5 minutes long of him running around styling on people and assumed that was prx's gameplan in a nutshell. Forsaken and Jinggg are aggresive, but davai and mindfreak are always close behind them ready to effectively trade and support them with util. Benkai has some excellent lurks and great calling. They make use aof set plays to incredible success which allows them to get man advantage and win rounds. My man opened up xerxia vs prx, watched round 1, closed it, than made the thread. As for DRX, while i agree they are somewhat inflexible which has been their downfall, there protocalls, set strats and set plays are incredibly solid. They struggle with midrounding but forcing drx to have to divert from their original strategy is still ridiculously hard and requires extensive anti stratting. Stop basing entire regions off of two rounds you saw in a highlight reel.
I didnt even know Jingg had highlight videos tbh but no, they have no fundamentals, aggression like braindead is not fundamentals, they play situations like crap, they only think about going for the kill (maybe this is only because they are playing in apac and want to farm stats, maybe they wont do this in masters but they look very undisciplined in apac)
KssS [#43]HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok bro. masters is right around the corner lets see whether you are right or wrong. im just gonna leave this comment here so i can come back to this thread later.
idc, I know I am right, if they win its on better teams playing like dogs tbh, any serious analyst will tell you same thing
idkbro [#48]idc, I know I am right, if they win its on better teams playing like dogs tbh, any serious analyst will tell you same thing
ok mister analyst. thank you for enlightening us plebs with your vast wisdom. you are unmatched in your knowledge o high and mighty one
idkbro [#47]I didnt even know Jingg had highlight videos tbh but no, they have no fundamentals, aggression like braindead is not fundamentals, they play situations like crap, they only think about going for the kill (maybe this is only because they are playing in apac and want to farm stats, maybe they wont do this in masters but they look very undisciplined in apac)
If you really think paper rex have zero fundamentals your not worth debating. Keep watching emea, who knows, they might win there pretty good. But hopefully one day you can learn to appreciate different playstyles that are just as effective.
idkbro [#46]I mean, g2 are not good, dogshit players and braindead playstyle too also no1 was really expecting this playstyle from PRX, now every1 is ready for them and they are no longer underdogs, they have the pressure to perform since they are one of the favourites, kinda delusional to think that playstyle wont get countered by serious teams
Really? G2 3-0'd complete roster fnatic and 2-0'd M3C and liquid before masters. Plus prx has been keeping that playstyle since masters 3 last year, teams were definitely aware of their playstyle and the fact that they're producing good results means that it's working.
alexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [#40]Ok india
yeah , i unlike u am very proud of my country but dont get triggered if someone analysts give their opinion on it
alex, stop being racist
babysasuke [#56]Honestly its only SHITMEA fans that think this is a hot take.
Guild looks atrocious, FPX looks ok at best. Fnatic hasnt been tested since last Masters (which they bombed out of btw).
Rating any EMEA teams in top 8 is kind of a stretch at this point, but everyone loves an underdog story, right?
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HaSanity [#54]who cares bro. honestly if u watched all the regions and came to the conclusion that emea is better than doesnt your opinion matter than anyone elses? it seems like you are trying to convince yourself otherwise by taking plat chat into account. if its true, then we will see at masters, its simple.
YUP https://imgur.com/a/8eOx6ae. NEVER LISTEN TO OTHERS AND MAKE UR OWN OBJECTIVE JUDGEMENT https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/480cabb7
Azzlack [#57]This thread should have 50 Likes, but its gonna have 100 downvotes cuz average silver twitch user.
im always right, vlr just full of delusional platinum players who dont even understand what they are watching
YouDii [#62]They were kind of spot on with the rankings aside from Loud, FNATIC, and Northeption
No guild and fpx already proved they are top 8 at least
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