How many of u are ready for jee??
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WelcomeWardy [#3]agreed
its been 4yrs now had got 65th percentile had no hope in life
5 weeks later gave Mh-Cet got 98th percentile and a good college life was been better since then
but still of the same opinion fuck these stupid tests like JEE MHCET CAT GATE and what not fuck Boards too these one dimensional stupid tests are the reason why we are so backwards compared to the rest of the world along with reservation system btw
NightFury1513 [#12]I am. And I am definitely not gonna fail and disappoint my parents. Also not getting kicked out of my house
Unless you are in the top 1% you have effectively failed JEE.
SnooTangerines [#13]Unless you are in the top 1% you have effectively failed JEE.
there is no use of jee if you aren't in top 1%
SnooTangerines [#13]Unless you are in the top 1% you have effectively failed JEE.
well 97th percentile gets you into NITs so its not as bad as you think but yes
OzyMeister [#15]well 97th percentile gets you into NITs so its not as bad as you think but yes
IIT is the goal
Like so much competition there is just to get an average job
NightFury1513 [#12]I am. And I am definitely not gonna fail and disappoint my parents. Also not getting kicked out of my house
goodluck mate
OzyMeister [#4]its been 4yrs now had got 65th percentile had no hope in life
5 weeks later gave Mh-Cet got 98th percentile and a good college life was been better since then
but still of the same opinion fuck these stupid tests like JEE MHCET CAT GATE and what not fuck Boards too these one dimensional stupid tests are the reason why we are so backwards compared to the rest of the world along with reservation system btw
absolutely i mean if i want to take a major i should be tested in it not in pcm
NightFury1513 [#12]I am. And I am definitely not gonna fail and disappoint my parents. Also not getting kicked out of my house
thats the spirit :D
Nollihd [#10]Not everyone who is Indian has PCM bruh
most of the science students write jee whether they've studied for it or not so yeah + most of my school commerce kids have lives and ppl on vlr don't have lives lol
OzyMeister [#4]its been 4yrs now had got 65th percentile had no hope in life
5 weeks later gave Mh-Cet got 98th percentile and a good college life was been better since then
but still of the same opinion fuck these stupid tests like JEE MHCET CAT GATE and what not fuck Boards too these one dimensional stupid tests are the reason why we are so backwards compared to the rest of the world along with reservation system btw
completely disagree
jee is the best and its absolutely necessary
i reached b1 from i1 just because of jee
now i can count the probability of my bullets hitting the enemy's head while running and gunning
KadiChaawal [#25]completely disagree
jee is the best and its absolutely necessary
i reached b1 from i1 just because of jee
now i can count the probability of my bullets hitting the enemy's head while running and gunning
LMAO
KadiChaawal [#25]completely disagree
jee is the best and its absolutely necessary
i reached b1 from i1 just because of jee
now i can count the probability of my bullets hitting the enemy's head while running and gunning
for phantom, vandal:- 0/30
WelcomeWardy [#20]absolutely i mean if i want to take a major i should be tested in it not in pcm
I don't think you are ready for that then.
How are you going to test subject majors?
CS? Do you know Machine Learning? Do you know Data structures? Do you know graph theory?
Same for Electrical or literally any other branch. All that matters is problem-solving skills and JEE is enough to test it.
I agree on the part that it's not everyone's cup of tea. It should not be a life-deciding exam but questioning the relevancy of JEE is nonsense.
The only way to improve the admission to IITs might be to introduce an interview after the exam but I am sure most of the people coming from small cities will be against it cause ofc, they are not "smart" enough.
But letting you know my first-hand experience, JEE is an excellent filter (to test engineering skills) and all I would want is a personality interview to be added on top to filter out these idiots who still make it into IITs.
Zephyros [#16]IIT is the goal
Like so much competition there is just to get an average job
dude IITs are down bad.
They are average at best engineering colleges. Honestly I won't be surprised if 50% of my batch does not have a job by the end of next year.
SnooTangerines [#33]dude IITs are down bad.
They are average at best engineering colleges. Honestly I won't be surprised if 50% of my batch does not have a job by the end of next year.
mainly it depends on the branch like circuit branch will get most of them
KilOOty [#35]mainly it depends on the branch like circuit branch will get most of them
Hahahaa LMAOOO.
Nope. Barely 20% of my batch has got internships and less than 5% of them are in good companies.
We only have 4 branches in our institute and 3 out of them are core/circuit branches including CSE.
Placements stats are no better.
Let me also tell you that these is the stats of an IIT with relatively better placements where your average CTC all branches is 16LPA and for CSE is 24+LPA. In the case of other IITs its worse.
SnooTangerines [#32]I don't think you are ready for that then.
How are you going to test subject majors?
CS? Do you know Machine Learning? Do you know Data structures? Do you know graph theory?
Same for Electrical or literally any other branch. All that matters is problem-solving skills and JEE is enough to test it.
I agree on the part that it's not everyone's cup of tea. It should not be a life-deciding exam but questioning the relevancy of JEE is nonsense.
The only way to improve the admission to IITs might be to introduce an interview after the exam but I am sure most of the people coming from small cities will be against it cause ofc, they are not "smart" enough.
But letting you know my first-hand experience, JEE is an excellent filter (to test engineering skills) and all I would want is a personality interview to be added on top to filter out these idiots who still make it into IITs.
i suggest schools should give the children the option to do either pcm where u decide on ur major after doing pcm that you may or may not like or start learning machine learning and etc during ur 11th and 12th, it's a risk reward and in that way u don't lose the og pcm option
second suggestion is to add an extra subject for the major.. ik like many schools offer like cs(like ours) as a separate subject but the portions isn't interesting at all it's very gray and boring at times.. its a lot mark based and stuff
i do agree on problem solving ability and jee tests it but jee also removes a lot of talent
for example a child could be very good with computers, know good coding and stuff but he could be bad at either of pcm and that could ruin his life
jee however is the only exam and it would be amazing if we had like more exams not just based on pcm but like on other stidf
like cs,etc..
SnooTangerines [#36]Hahahaa LMAOOO.
Nope. Barely 20% of my batch has got internships and less than 5% of them are in good companies.
We only have 4 branches in our institute and 3 out of them are core/circuit branches including CSE.
Placements stats are no better.
Let me also tell you that these is the stats of an IIT with relatively better placements where your average CTC all branches is 16LPA and for CSE is 24+LPA. In the case of other IITs its worse.
your in iit?
WelcomeWardy [#37]i suggest schools should give the children the option to do either pcm where u decide on ur major after doing pcm that you may or may not like or start learning machine learning and etc during ur 11th and 12th, it's a risk reward and in that way u don't lose the og pcm option
second suggestion is to add an extra subject for the major.. ik like many schools offer like cs(like ours) as a separate subject but the portions isn't interesting at all it's very gray and boring at times.. its a lot mark based and stuff
i do agree on problem solving ability and jee tests it but jee also removes a lot of talent
for example a child could be very good with computers, know good coding and stuff but he could be bad at either of pcm and that could ruin his lifejee however is the only exam and it would be amazing if we had like more exams not just based on pcm but like on other stidf
like cs,etc..
The CS you study in school should not even be called "Computer Science".
It should be called introduction to C++/Python heck you cannot call it "Programming" cause they are just teaching you the language and not "programming". Programming can be learnt without ever learning a language and that is usually how it's taught in universities (we never wrote a single line of code in our intro to CS course). Programming was only done in lab classes.
If you think that "Programming" or "Coding" is CS, you are in for a surprise.
In plain text - you cannot really teach "CS" without first studying hardcore PCM in 12th first.
Machine Learning is nothing but Linear Algebra which does not count your 9th-grade graphs and stuff, it includes Vector spaces matrices and other stuff. It also has a lot of probability and statistics among other things.
Also, you guys really do not value physics and chemistry as subjects. But I cannot emphasise enough that these three subjects are taught to you for a reason. I can give a few examples here -
In this year's Inter-IIT a problem statement was to analyze solar X-ray data from XSM sensors that ISRO has on the moon. It obviously required programming knowledge, but we had to go really deep into physics as well.
Also, a good friend of mine is doing a project this summer to detect droplets under a microscope in the chemistry/material science domain. You need a good knowledge of chemistry to do this.
In the 4 years, you spend studying CS you will actually be using maths, physics and in "some" instances chemistry. Maybe when you get a job you can get away from it but in academics and research at least to my experience, these things will never leave you.
Finally to your point of "a child is good with computers" does not mean he is good with CS. Programming and CS are two different things.
You don't need a 4 year CS degree to learn to program and get a job. You can learn javascript react and nodeJS and get hired as a full-stack developer in 1-2 years. It does take 4 years to become a computer engineer and get hired as a "Software Engineer" instead of a web developer.
WelcomeWardy [#38]your in iit?
I think I mentioned it once a long time ago but yes (just ended 3rd year btw).
SnooTangerines [#40]The CS you study in school should not even be called "Computer Science".
It should be called introduction to C++/Python heck you cannot call it "Programming" cause they are just teaching you the language and not "programming". Programming can be learnt without ever learning a language and that is usually how it's taught in universities (we never wrote a single line of code in our intro to CS course). Programming was only done in lab classes.
If you think that "Programming" or "Coding" is CS, you are in for a surprise.
In plain text - you cannot really teach "CS" without first studying hardcore PCM in 12th first.
Machine Learning is nothing but Linear Algebra which does not count your 9th-grade graphs and stuff, it includes Vector spaces matrices and other stuff. It also has a lot of probability and statistics among other things.
Also, you guys really do not value physics and chemistry as subjects. But I cannot emphasise enough that these three subjects are taught to you for a reason. I can give a few examples here -
In this year's Inter-IIT a problem statement was to analyze solar X-ray data from XSM sensors that ISRO has on the moon. It obviously required programming knowledge, but we had to go really deep into physics as well.
Also, a good friend of mine is doing a project this summer to detect droplets under a microscope in the chemistry/material science domain. You need a good knowledge of chemistry to do this.
In the 4 years, you spend studying CS you will actually be using maths, physics and in "some" instances chemistry. Maybe when you get a job you can get away from it but in academics and research at least to my experience, these things will never leave you.
Finally to your point of "a child is good with computers" does not mean he is good with CS. Programming and CS are two different things.
You don't need a 4 year CS degree to learn to program and get a job. You can learn javascript react and nodeJS and get hired as a full-stack developer in 1-2 years. It does take 4 years to become a computer engineer and get hired as a "Software Engineer" instead of a web developer.
wow i didnt know. well now i have to find another excuse for my own behaviour lol
SnooTangerines [#41]I think I mentioned it once a long time ago but yes (just ended 3rd year btw).
if u don't mind me asking which iit are you in rn?
WelcomeWardy [#44]if u don't mind me asking which iit are you in rn?
I do mind :)
lol jk I am in Jodhpur RN.
deathlyclaws [#45]I will give it next year.....and it's already the worst thing in my life
same lol
SweetyMajdoor [#43]Gave JEE four years ago and graduating in a week from my dream college of that time lol. Honestly everyone just grind coding and have a nice paying job now a days.
what college ?
hehe just curious
KadiChaawal [#25]completely disagree
jee is the best and its absolutely necessary
i reached b1 from i1 just because of jee
now i can count the probability of my bullets hitting the enemy's head while running and gunning
Yeah dude i used conditional probability to know the exact amount of hours it would take for me to get out of Silver by pre setting my next game as a loss and came to the conclusion i would have a better chance of getting my seat in IIT or NIT over an SC ST with 20-30 marks less then me
OzyMeister [#4]its been 4yrs now had got 65th percentile had no hope in life
5 weeks later gave Mh-Cet got 98th percentile and a good college life was been better since then
but still of the same opinion fuck these stupid tests like JEE MHCET CAT GATE and what not fuck Boards too these one dimensional stupid tests are the reason why we are so backwards compared to the rest of the world along with reservation system btw
How do you think these tests should be?
SnooTangerines [#33]dude IITs are down bad.
They are average at best engineering colleges. Honestly I won't be surprised if 50% of my batch does not have a job by the end of next year.
So if IITs are average, did you find any better engineering colleges in India?
Also, the situation is a lot better in older IITs than in newer IITs.
well not very well , I have completed the course once .
But I cant focus the way I used to before pandemic , these 2 years have fcked me real hard .
lack on concentration is at its peak , first attempt is gonna go waste for sure .
I hope to get 180 in 2nd tho .
IIT roorkee is the main target am preparing for it , and BITS too . so yeah .
best of luck to y'all 👍👍🙏 .
PAPApred8r [#53]well not very well , I have completed the course once .
But I cant focus the way I used to before pandemic , these 2 years have fcked me real hard .
lack on concentration is at its peak , first attempt is gonna go waste for sure .
I hope to get 180 in 2nd tho .
IIT roorkee is the main target am preparing for it , and BITS too . so yeah .
best of luck to y'all 👍👍🙏 .
All the best!
Don't spend much time on vlr or Valorant or any social media for that matter.
EntryKJ [#55]All the best!
Don't spend much time on vlr or Valorant or any social media for that matter.
Thanks ,
well I am not that active here since like 2-3 months havent played valo since a year and half , but idk why when studying after max. 1 hour I just sit idle and think of nothing . its wierd but I cant help it , my parents will feel bad if I dont get in an IIT,NIT,BITS cuz for me its not everything but for them its everything for me . 😢😫
EntryKJ [#52]So if IITs are average, did you find any better engineering colleges in India?
Also, the situation is a lot better in older IITs than in newer IITs.
Not a lot better. They are much better in some other aspects like the volume and variety of research conducted.
Also, the situation is a lot better in older IITs than in newer IITs.
Stats would say otherwise, google up some stats comparing IITJ for example with older IITs like IIT D and IITK. It's not that different or in a lot of cases even better. Don't look at the number of offers/students btw cause older IITs to have a crowd.
However, I won't say the stats paint an accurate picture. I would they are marginally better yes. I was actually offered all the IITs but I chose a subject of my interest instead of going to a larger college. That should give you an idea that the difference is not really that huge especially if placements are on your agenda.
I would go on to say that even the NITs and colleges like DTU, NSIT and some IIITs are equivalent to larger IITs in opportunities given to BTech students. Its only at a PhD level that it starts to make a difference.
did you find any better engineering colleges in India?
No. Go to a GOOD uni outside if you actually want to study stuff. If you are ready to put in enough effort and are not looking for a noble prize or a Turing award or something, IITs will suffice. But they are way below the international standards of a good university.
SnooTangerines [#54]You don't need to tell me that KEK.
BTW I am already placed :) and under an NDA for now.
It's just that no engineering college including IITs is able to keep job securities in COVID.
However, you cannot really generalize a "Not a good IIT" with every aspect of a college. It has a lot to do with other stuff which does not influence Btech students at all.
Just to let you know we were ranked 8th this year in Inter IIT Tech and IITs like Patna, Indore, Bombay, Hydrabad and Jodhpur are at the top when it comes to placements stats. So I am exclusively talking about placements and not other aspects of an institute.
Not shit-talking iitj, but don't flex inter-iit tech meets for college rankings lmao. It's just a pure shit show every now and then, with lots of politics going. Maybe have a better parameter.
SweetyMajdoor [#60]Not shit-talking iitj, but don't flex inter-iit tech meets for college rankings lmao. It's just a pure shit show every now and then, with lots of politics going. Maybe have a better parameter.
It's the only parameter to compare students tho.
Everything else just comes down to so many parameters including the location of the city.
lots of politics going
LOL, it happened this year and I don't want to take names but glad that people know this. Even my batchmates don't know what shit happens.
pure shit show
It has a lot of stakes with a lot of companies involved so it cannot get into that.
I would love some shit-talk tho. We love doing it ourselves. It should become common knowledge to not join IITs if you are serious about your acads. Sad that some very talented students still join IITs (especially new ones) leaving foreign institutes which are not even comparable.
SnooTangerines [#36]Hahahaa LMAOOO.
Nope. Barely 20% of my batch has got internships and less than 5% of them are in good companies.
We only have 4 branches in our institute and 3 out of them are core/circuit branches including CSE.
Placements stats are no better.
Let me also tell you that these is the stats of an IIT with relatively better placements where your average CTC all branches is 16LPA and for CSE is 24+LPA. In the case of other IITs its worse.
well in my college all circuit branch have like 15 lpa avg (cse 22+) and having 95% placement record.
TheHardStuckImmortal [#26]I'm humanities kid hehe
really we need more people appreciating this stream
KilOOty [#64]well in my college all circuit branch have like 15 lpa avg (cse 22+) and having 95% placement record.
I would like to gladly inform you that more than half of the IITs have a worse record than your college. Further proving my point.
SnooTangerines [#67]I would like to gladly inform you that more than half of the IITs have a worse record than your college. Further proving my point.
thats very nice of you helping indian brothers :)
SnooTangerines [#63]It's the only parameter to compare students tho.
Everything else just comes down to so many parameters including the location of the city.lots of politics going
LOL, it happened this year and I don't want to take names but glad that people know this. Even my batchmates don't know what shit happens.
pure shit show
It has a lot of stakes with a lot of companies involved so it cannot get into that.
I would love some shit-talk tho. We love doing it ourselves. It should become common knowledge to not join IITs if you are serious about your acads. Sad that some very talented students still join IITs (especially new ones) leaving foreign institutes which are not even comparable.
Yeah politics part isn't well known, unless you are in the core team of snt teams.
Besides, Many of talented students aren't even interested in going deep into academics, they just want to get shit rich and IIT isn't a bad option considering how much HFTs pay.
SnooTangerines [#59]Not a lot better. They are much better in some other aspects like the volume and variety of research conducted.
Also, the situation is a lot better in older IITs than in newer IITs.
Stats would say otherwise, google up some stats comparing IITJ for example with older IITs like IIT D and IITK. It's not that different or in a lot of cases even better. Don't look at the number of offers/students btw cause older IITs to have a crowd.
However, I won't say the stats paint an accurate picture. I would they are marginally better yes. I was actually offered all the IITs but I chose a subject of my interest instead of going to a larger college. That should give you an idea that the difference is not really that huge especially if placements are on your agenda.
I would go on to say that even the NITs and colleges like DTU, NSIT and some IIITs are equivalent to larger IITs in opportunities given to BTech students. Its only at a PhD level that it starts to make a difference.
did you find any better engineering colleges in India?
No. Go to a GOOD uni outside if you actually want to study stuff. If you are ready to put in enough effort and are not looking for a noble prize or a Turing award or something, IITs will suffice. But they are way below the international standards of a good university.
I feel like you're only looking at placements when comparing older and newer IITs. You can't really expect much when you just have a BTech, and if your whole batch puts in the required effort, they will all get placed, but they won't. I graduated from an IIT.
Yes, I know that NA and Europe have better colleges. They're also expensive (if you go to a good one). I joined for MS in the US.
Just don't say that IITs are down bad when they're among the best options you have in India (also much cheaper than the US and better ROI if you put in some work).
_necromancer_ [#73]So many engineer's out there are jobless, why so much hardwork if you will stay jobless?
"if ur going to be jobless, get a degree and be jobless"
not even joking i asked my mom this and this is what she sai
WelcomeWardy [#74]which college if u don't mind?
Graduated from IIT Gandhinagar, joined UCSD for MS.
FlyDoggoWoweeClap [#6]WHOOOOOOOO?
everything starting with "ind" isnt about your country, heck half the world doesnt even know you guys exist in the first place
sueYA [#78]everything starting with "ind" isnt about your country, heck half the world doesnt even know you guys exist in the first place
half would be an understatement
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