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Yeah I don't disagree with any of your points. Just tired of the savior narrative when it truly is just random person after random person with no provable impact. Feels truly like inauthentic experience of a league that's dying. But I'm huge franchise-hater so it makes sense.
I know I'm bias af because it should be me...
But just because someone has won in the past is not a guarantee that they will win in the future. To me this feels like a "I hired these people so I could explain my reasoning in case we lost." Speaking of losses, TSM lost to Envy in the finals. Some people think it was throwing and others don't. Regardless, Nbs was the coach. The way they lost didn't seem like some masterclass of coaching... I mean if you're losing to Stunner, how are you winning against VCT coaching, which is supposed to be the pinnacle of coaching in Valorant.
So I don't really see the logic behind your opinion. And in your response, if you can tell me where you would find the map Icebox then you can get bonus points.
LOL... no way this caught on... I'm unbelievably talented.
Exactly.
When I think about abilities like Reyna's Devour, Riot devs must have thought that armor would help with fights after the first encounter.
You're not wrong. But let's take a quick look at that, let's say that this is the 5th or 6th round of the game and you already have a rifle and full armor. Would you drop your current gun for an Outlaw? And what if the team played double smokes or was using smokes to cut long angles off in the map?
And to take it one step farther, who are you putting on this assignment? A rifler who is has been practicing that spot for two weeks in preparation for this game or forcing your OPer to this spot who has also been practicing his space for the last two weeks in prep for the game?
I think a lot of people just think that you can drop players into any space and they will perform the same. I don't think that's the case or if it is the case, the performance level will not be the same.
Yeah I think the key is the simplistic nature of rifle gunplay in Valorant that allows for the conversation at the least. When you get into the SMG and Odin spam, you're dealing with more complex damage interactions which I think full armor is a better option.
I think you have to watch the video plus read what I wrote. TMV finding that half-armor is more about the economy of it and not the gunplay. The natural next step is the question whether there is anything more to push as far as a boundary goes. And my post is saying that there is, there's justification for it and it is the same as half-armor. If half-armor provides more economy then no armor does the same but provides you with more.
If duels have a high chance in ending in a headshot, then armor is never a factor. If it's a body shot, the damage allows for no armor based on the way the spread values work out. You can survive an initial two shot burst from a rifle and then the ttk allows for a response. If you land a headshot before the 3rd body shot then you win the duel.
It's basically pulling all the gun mechanics under a single theory.
Quick overview, the half shield buy gives you the ability to absorb three body shots (120 and 117 respectively for Vandal and Phantom) However, if you consistently buy half-shield, you will have more chances to buy a rifle over the course of a game. If you play Valorant like a slot machine and are all about the probabilities then a Vandal or a Phantom will produce more kills over the course of a game or a series. Despite what the hive mind wants you to think about eliminations, they win games and make it infinitely easier to win rounds with every person you eliminate.
BUT! There is a world beyond half-shield meta. The truth of the matter is that you can play the exact same way without shields all together. I've been playing with this concept for two seasons now and there is no difference in results for me:
It's been a minute since I've wasted your time... BUT!
TMV finally arrives at half-shield meta and notices that tier 1 is finally using it. I've been using it for I think two years at this point.
Quick overview, the half shield buy gives you the ability to absorb three body shots (120 and 117 respectively for Vandal and Phantom) However, if you consistently buy half-shield, you will have more chances to buy a rifle over the course of a game. If you play Valorant like a slot machine and are all about the probabilities then a Vandal or a Phantom will produce more kills over the course of a game or a series. Despite what the hive mind wants you to think about eliminations, they win games and make it infinitely easier to win rounds with every person you eliminate.
BUT! There is a world beyond half-shield meta. The truth of the matter is that you can play the exact same way without shields all together. I've been playing with this concept for two seasons now and there is no difference in results for me:
What's going on here:
Both the half-shield and no-shield approach are based off the fact that the rifles have a 3 bullet low variation spread. For Vandal it's .25->.35 and for Phantom it is .2->.35. What this means in layman terms is that a fight usually (depending on distance with the Phantom but not with the Vandal) results in either 1 bullet win or a 4 bullet win. The one bullet case is easy, it's a headshot which is 160 damage or 156 damage.
For body shots, both rifles have a 3 bullet skill check, where if you do not pull down or attempt to control it, you will miss. This results in usually two bullets hitting and produces 80ish damage which is survivable with a starting hp of 100. Thus a duel comes down to whether or not you can hit a headshot consistently vs. your opponent. Since a lot of duels end in a headshot, the no shield strategy has some footing.
For half-shield it's even more dramatic because regardless if you have have full shields, you can still survive 4 bullets. For Vandal, the first 3 bullets are 120 (half-shield is 125) and the fourth bullet is not survivable, which will be 160 damage. The same for the Phantom, 39 damage, hit four times is 156.
One thing TMV got incorrect or missed the reasoning:
Outside of the Outlaw, there are only two real reason to buy full shields if you're going up against a SMG because you are absorbing more bullets over a shorter period of time or you are on a map that has many walls with easy penetration. So the higher the overall hp, the longer you will be able to survive the TTK and give yourself a higher probability of winning the fight.
Next stop:
Teams hopefully having a better understanding between gun-play and distance. Where they start capitalizing on cheaper guns but using utility to create high probabilities wins by (i.e. smokes) closing the distance gaps.
It only kicks in when you hit Ascendant though. And since you can party with an ascendant until you make it to ascendant, you can boost people to immortal with out ever having to register mfa.
In non-5 stack situations. If I'm boosting to Immortal, I can technically do this by playing with my duo in diamond. That's what I don't understand. Who is the MFA meant to protect? Immortal+ and only Immortal+?
If we can group with whatever rank we want then why have MFA at all? Wouldn't you just keep creating diamond smurfs and boost friends that way? Why have MFA at a certain level? Genuinely curious if I'm missing something.
It's located in NA/EU Val Esports official channel, multiple casters, a certified banger meme... 11k posts... nothing of relevance :/
just weird to accuse me of not being able to read but at the same time not spelling correctly... but its vlr... perpetually online warp brain be warped. Full of unaccountable hopium and illogical conclusions.
you spelled "better" as "bette" ... So I guess not :/ Broken English isn't my strong suit.
"they were better than RRQ" ... loses to RRQ. I didn't watch... hmm.
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5th-6th stage 1.
3rd stage 2.
top 2 in your heart?
How we got here:
Sgares showed the community that everyone is throwing for crypto.
Community said wow... but nobody cheats in Valorant so you're wrong.
Ban gets banned and now everyone is like wow... but nobody cheats in Valorant.
Community is split.
Hence your question.
What gives you this confidence? Certainly you haven't been watching the games...
it wasn't... just bored and trying to wake up vlr. ty for the mild enjoyment <3
VLR is the mob. Trying to express a thoughtful opinion to a mob of people is impossible. If you want to be liked by a mob, express emotions. They understand those.
Don't try to explain laziness to this community. It's like trying to describe air. They praise and deserve the laziness.
Approved list. Will build a sculpture in you glory on Bennett Island.
I knew sayaplayer when he was posting on YouTube his highscores on Aim Hero. We didn't deserve his talent.
Phantom superior when holding an area under 20m. Vandal superior while taking 1v1s and long distance fights. Phantom feels superior on certain maps because of the distances in the spaces you take. In the release maps, no spaces really had longer than 20m unless they were clearly a long angle for an operator. That's why you had the overreaction of Breeze which exaggerated the space and made Vandals superior on that map.
How come I've never seen this topic on VLR before? What's with the British invasion of Valorant? The best historical team yal got is 4kings. Too much British representation in Valorant. There should be way more Norway and Sweden in this scene. Just sayin...
By the time we get competent coaches we won't care about Valorant anymore.
Wrong Leo bud! Leo Faria! The best Esports Overlord we could ever ask for. Bow before his greatness peasants!
please drop new account here so we don't have to guess
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