5 boys vs 5 girls doesn't matter in my point. My point mentions a fully staffed team, losing to a random t3 team.

We have to compare 5 boys vs 5 girls because we can't compare 5 girls vs 5girls. We're talking about how V1/Gc teams can join mixed teams, so we have to use data that we've seen when they're competing with their competition.

tier1 should be out of this discussion overall as a thread. No teams around GC will be near t1 anytime soon.

If we look at tier 2 - ascension
tier 3 - knights monthly, etc.
V1 are an above average team in tier3. They're a fully staffed team, salaried, getting beat by teams with unsalaried players, with maybe an unpaid coach.
The raw skill isn't there for GC. The support and funding is there. The raw skill is what is developing. As that develops, the support staff will grow to be more competent, as the league starts to get taken more seriously.

Mixed rosters will happen in the future. Right now, I can hardly see it unless fluorescent, Mel and Sarah join a mid tier3 team. tier2 right now is out of the question. Top tier3 they'll be competing against players who are honestly better than them right now.

When I mention effys being competant, it's not as opposed to VCT coaches. They're by far a step and ahead of everyone. It's more he was hired to coach a GC team, and he's done a great job at that so far. The results in non Gc events is just a repeat of what happened in C9W. the team steamrolls teams in GC, just to be mediocre against t3 teams.

the main idea behind my point, is everyone arguing about v1 players deserving trials and spots in higher tier teams. Why though? They're struggling in t3 events, against non salaried teams, against players who probably wont ever hit tier1.
At this moment, with the GC scene being underdeveloped, it'll be years until we truely see a player from GC be t1 material. right now the closest we have is Fluorescent, and there's no shot she's getting on a t1 or t2 team anytime soon. There's far too many talented Jett mains in t3 atm.

With V1 having decent staff, they're also a decent team. If we compare support staff with vct, we should compare players aswell. The disparity between both is astronomical. IT's clear as that. However a decorated team, shouldn't be losing to Anima Squad Only.

My main inital point even with support staff, they're a above average team in the t3 scene. They're in a spot they deserve as of now. They're far from being a t2 team, and the top teams in t3 are far superior than them, be it with staff, and players. It's the sad truth. In a few years, we'll see players from GC shining in t2, and hopefully t1.

p.s. if my rambling didn't make sense, my bad. like 4 am here.

The fact she was denied because of her gender is fucked. I just hate how they never say the team who denied them. I'd love to see how a team defends having a garbage human on their team.

Lets also not look past the fact that Runi was on a tear in tier2(before ascension), and tier 3 when on SQ. Jake was hardly a bad player in his own when playing in t2/3. They wernt high profile players, but wernt dogshit. They were just "we cant afford buyout" pickups as c9 had to find players to place vanity and yay with.

Plus the most important reason they got picked up. C9 were broke and couldn't afford any buyouts from any team, so they had to find the most talented tier2/3 players they could, for as cheap as they can. Going from dropping two high profile players, to picking up 2 players nobody would have thought they'd pick up, says it was more money based than anything.

You're missing his point though.

V1 have support staff and experienced players with success behind their name. They're getting rolled by tier3 players nobody has ever heard of.
right now there's a clear disparity in raw skill between random t3 players, and one one of the most supported and developed GC team in the world.

Also you mention a few coaches who weren't proven until earlier this year.
Saying Effys is not a proven coach, isn't really fair on his behalf. He retired from playing, and coached a team into winning the GC split, without dropping a map. So not really fair on his behalf, as imo he's proven himself to be a competent coach. He's just didn't prove himself in tier1 or 2.

I agree with the GC being an underdeveloped aspect of the scene. It's made up of a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase due to decades of esports being male dominated. I dont disagree with that. However, as of right now. The GC players are by far not good enough for t2, let alone t1 teams.

Your analogy I'd agree with, if Alfajer wasn't the hard carry for surreal for so long, and known in EMEA before his pickup by fnatic, for how good of a player he was.

I'd also say your analogy would fit in years to come. I get the idea, but the GC scene is so underdeveloped compared to the generic T3/2 scene, so it's not the leadership that's lacking, it's also the lack of overall skill when compared to the counterparts in T3/2. We're in the really really early years of GC. It's why players like Flourescent can make it in t3/2(potentially), because they're still young, and will grow with the scene. Other players, will most likely never make it into a co-ed team. Be it the sexism, or just not good enough.

It's a shit situation right now for players trying to go co-ed. However it is the sad truth. Players right now in an underdeveloped scene, just aren't better prospects than others. That will change in the future though. We will see co-ed teams one day. Just right now, there's probably a handful of players in the world who can go co-ed and be successful.

The point everyone posting match results is trying to make, is the current GC players outside of probably fluorescent are a few others, are nothing special.

Also why does it matter if they're a 5 female team? They lost to better players in matches, so why would a team look at a losing team for players opposed to teams who won? Why would a t1 or t2 team look at V1, over a team like YFP or Turtle Troop to get players?

Despite V1 being a good team with talented players. There are better players in every role, in t2/3 NA. It's the sad truth. Fluorescent has the highest chances of going to a co-ed team, along with mel as experienced IGLs are always slim. However in the grand scheme of t1/2/3 of val, the v1 team is just another 5 players who are talented, but not the best.

he's by far the best awper to ever come from Asia in CS. He would be the best player to come out of Asian CS, but BnTeT exists.

Crazy how you say Saadhak flash/initiator then just relegate Leo to "import"

As an esports org. G2 and fnatic are probably the most stable right now.
Overall
EDG, Bilibili,and probably T1/DWK. Probably the richest and most stable orgs atm. Asia orgs are just insane with the investment going into the scene in the past 10 years.
Bleed are supposedly up there, but idk much about them.

EDG, T1 and Bilibili are in a world of their own though.

my gut is telling me it'll be xaccurate, but my head reminds me he's an awper.
in before he just does what Nivera did and mainly rifle.

Even if people didn't consider fnatic a superteam before this year, Gambit was considered one in 2021, and FPX was one in 2022.
Original argument was EMEA not having superteams to be successful, when Gambit was one of the earliest teams in val to be considered one.

Yeah, the NA scene will take the hardest hit from CS2.
Emea, I think will sit the same, or t2 might take a hit from people trying to seek success, only to return, or stagnate even worse.

last year - Boaster top5 igl itw, derke top3 duelist itw,.

It's harder for people to rank igls, but boaster has led a team to playoffs consistently for the past 3 years when having his full 5.
Derke was a top3 duellist itw for a consistent 2 years.
Alfajer only really came into proper form this year, but was always considered a star player from his pickup. He just found his stride towards the end of last year.

Thinking Fnatic wernt a superteam given 3 members being in the top5/10 for their role, is insane. Plus when they first picked up Alfajer is when people started talking about them building a superteam. Just when they got Leo and Chronicle, it cemented that their team is a superteam. It's just there's no debate regarding it now.

When cs2 comes out, Val will be the exact same. People who swapped to val from CS, couldn't stay in T2. Only people who'll swap back, are the people who got banned in csgo, and their ban was uplifted.

dw bro, he thinks EMEA never had superteams during the past 3 years, yet forgets what FPX, Gambit, and Fnatic were.

Vandal
-prelude
-prime
-reaver
-ion
-Forsaken

Phantom
-Oni
-Ion
-blast x
-Protocol
-Reaver

Fnatic the main character who turns into the final boss in the sequel.

The navi core will stay together. They're still a great team. Just his point of saying optic disbanded, when that wasn't the fact at all. Yay got bought out to go to c9, and the rest went to NRG because Optic didn't get a franchised spot.
Then bringing in faze and g2 like they wont just pick up another roster when ascension comes back around.
Those orgs wont fully leave the scene. they'll just drop their team during off season because it's bad business to keep salaried players who aren't playing.

yeah, kangkang reminded me of yr1 Jett, which I miss as a viewer.
I am enjoying watching a lot more raze than oping tbh. It's not as flashy, but aim duels with rifles are always satisfying to me.

faze and g2 left the scene so they dont have to pay salaries during off season. Like wym?
If optic or NRG were in t2, they'd do the same. Without an open circuit system, there's no reason to keep a roster if they're not able to attend high profile events.

Foxy9 was mainly a better Jett player than Buzz. for awhile Buzz had consistancy issues on Jett, and was struggling. This is what led to role swaps with buzz going on KJ for a bit, or smokers, etc. That's when they had RB take over the aggressive role for awhile.

I do agree with Buzz's performances not looking spectacular, however it's better to have 5 people being comfortable and playing consistent, than having them all play disorganised.

I love how accurate this is.

used to be an insanely aggressive op player. Had to change his whole playstyle to play chamber. Now he can't go back to how he used to play Jett.
Chamber ruined this man.

EMEA being a farmers league holds 0 value to the region being the most successful in val. Also every region but Americas is a 2/3 team region, i.e. farmers leagues.
Valorant just isn't that big in EU because the whole genres fanbase in EU is still CS. NA fanbase moved when CS died in NA. Asia never had a mainstream FPS with large international events.

Also Riot wont be making anything off the leagues. Their main, and probably only profit is through the skin sales at champs.

Bro, from the sounds of it you want to watch 10mans over events.
You watch esports for the competition and to see the highest level val there is. It would suck if we had a team like astralis. YOu'd always assume the winning. However if you were a fan of watching perfect CS, no other team was better than it than Astralis. It's why I enjoyed watching them. They showed the game how it can be played, and should be played. It's why we're watching the best teams, and not tariks 10mans.

Like, watch the game for the game, not for the winner. It makes things 10x better. Just appreciate the gameplay itself, rather than who's doing what. MY fav team went out early in playoffs. It sucks, but we move on. it was entertaining watching fnatic play their matches, and watching EG's run. Final match could have been more hype if it went the distance, however even without it, we had 2 good maps, and lotus.

you mentioned loud with roster changes, so did fnatic. Pretty much every single team made big roster changes. It's not restricted to one.
You can't blame lock/in performance on roster changes when nearly every roster made changes and was adjusting.
Bringing up the pedigree of the players is just finding an excuse for their loss.

I agree that fnatic aren't anywhere close to astralis. tbh it's weird to even call it a dynasty, as it's just two events. I guess because there's less than a handful of events in a year, that we can't really find a good metric for a dynasty.

Loud and NRG being out of form, is just unfortunate. It happens at most events. Even DRX who were one of the most consistant teams out there, looked like pure ass this event. PRX missing something, was a shitty situation. If they had something, I see them taking the GF spot from EG. However Champions will hopefully show us every team in form. Would make for better matches.

wait, did fnatic not have 2 roster changes aswell :/

not underestimating. People overestimated cNed, and all his pickup did was fuck with roles, causing inconsistencies.

cNed can only play Jett, and as of recent even that looks pretty meh. What made Navi a great team before, was all of them fit their roles perfectly. Ardis would swap from Jett/chamber when needed, and still do a decent job. So far cNed has been an insanely average Raze. Only his Jett is good, and his sage when he can play.

Unless NAVI run Jett 100% of the time instead of Raze, or at least get cNed to learn another agent and have zyppan as raze.

Just right now the only players who look the same as before, is shao, suygetsu, and maybe ange1. Everyone else looks honestly underwhelming.

bro tried to sneak in NAVI.

man is living in the optic days when yay was the best chamber itw. Dude hasn't realised that their only constant, was yay chamber taking them to finals.

Whoever said Leo was almost equal to Enzo were by far delusional. Leo was a top initiator in guild. Only reason he wasn't their star player, was because Sayf was abusing tf out of Chamber, like every other Jett main did.

I did see far more saying the two were good upgrades

played bad, but somehow still did good on entries.

Mocking people because of their weight is more likely to make them isolate themselves and be depressed, opposed to make them go out of their way to improve. Encouraging them to change is the better way.

I do agree with parents instilling bad habits into their children. My sister does it to my niece and nephew. It's going to fuck their health up for a long time, as it just makes them picky af eaters, who only eat processed trash.

cant be a navi fan bro. Ange1 is on the roster. He's not a fan of players not having a cookie cutter personality.

yeah, I leave the metal clasps off, and if it's too much and I cant rerack. Once it hits my chest just tilt it and gravity does the rest for you.

or ask some random dude if they could spot. Dont think I've ever seen anyone say no to spotting someone.

It's not about the different in game mechanics, but culture. The esports culture in CS is by far one of the most taxing. the top val teams played 17 matches (loud, getting to finals of lockin) matches matches since champs. Champs was last September.
Navi have played 47 matches since September 29th.

the point I'm making is the setup for Val isn't as bad as it's counterpart. It's honestly one of the more relaxed t1 esports. Teams are ofc going to fight to make the event. CS teams dont just think "oh well, we'll qual for the next event".
These esports players are playing for the achievment, not the prizepool. ofc the prizepool is a plus, but they're already getting paid absurd amounts. this is the t1 scene btw.

With the game mechanics being different with flashes etc. That's what scrims are for, and what coaches and analysts are for. A val player playing 8-10 hours a day isn't any different than a CS player playing 10-12 hours a day. They're both putting in server time for their respective game. The semantics of meta changes isn't relevant to having breaks between events. If we look at meta changes, compare with league. Where T1 have played over 100maps since September. There's countless comparisons that show val is one of the more lax esports schedules out there.

The main thing that burned out CS pros was the travel. They'd go to an event, travel ,play, travel, play. Especially NA pros in EU. They'd spend majority of their time travelling and going from event to event. Past 6 months val players have been to 3 places so far. Brazil, (where their respective league is held), and Tokyo.

I'm just adamant that the current schedule as it is, isn't as big of an issue as it's made out to be.

You argue that he's cocky.
Then say he's a bottom fragger and not a good igl, despite DRX being one of the most consistant teams since the game was launched. This is their worst performance in over a year btw.

You might not like the guy, but you can't deny that he's a good igl. The results literally show that.

past year of international events;
lockin - 3/4
champs - 3rd
master copa - 5/6
master reyk - 5/6

constant top6 team itw, this being their worst placement since champs 2021.

The team was on a rise every event, and then had one bad event being this one. Hardly a cause of having him dropped. DRX main issue is not sticking with a stable 5, and constantly swapping their Jett player around.

I find it far more entertaining to watch a cocky player.
If they win, storylines develop. if they lose, storylines close and karma kicks in. Then it repeats the next time.

Dude hates stax because he's cocky lmao. Must hate quite a lot of pro players then.

This guy must hate atleast 1/2 players on every team at this point.

I always go by this. Walking 10 minutes a day is better than not. Lifting 5kg is better than lifting 0.
Any type of actively you do tends to be better than doing nothing. Even if that's just walking to the store and back, or just walking around your house for 10minutes.
Just getting used to being more active, and learning to enjoy being active was the most important, and beneficial thing that happened to me. Now I feel like shit if I dont go every day, or take more than one rest day. My body just feels uncomfortable if I'm being lazy.

also with benching with no spot. Just dont put the caps on the side to secure the plates. That way if you fail the rep, you just push the bar in one direction and the plates slide off. I've been doing that for awhile, and it's saved me a few times where I didn't have anyone to spot me lmao

I think majority of my meals was wholegrain pasta with chicken and a cream sauce. I'd have that like 4/7 days a week. Other than that, I'd make chicken burgers, or prep some wraps for a week. Wraps/burritos are great to prep.
I just aim to hit my 150-180g protein a day. The real workout is having to actually eat constantly throughout the day, and reach macro targets.

Soup, I need to actually make a nice soup. Easy to prep and freeze, and reheat.

Even if the time between the two was a bit longer, they wouldn't have rested anymore than they did. They'd be scrimming everyday still, and still constantly playing. Most of these players are accustomed to practicing everyday.
It's usually the travel that burned a lot of CS pros out, and val players aren't hugely forced to travel every month like cs players are.

I honestly believe them constantly swapping back and forth hurt the chemistry and playstyle of both foxy9 and drx as a whole.
It was clear when foxy9 first started playing that his playstyle was far different than how drx play as a team. This was clear through his matches. However swapping buzz in as a Jett when it didn't go to their plan/allow for enough time to get accustomed to it during official matches.
It just looks like it hurt them more than anything. Not having a consistent duellist playing, just hurts their performance when they do.

concept artists and designers are still part of the development process. They're still game devs. You dont need to be a technical developer to be a game dev.

The start of gym is the worst. You're not used to muscle ache, and the initial boost to get up and go, was horrid. It's the same with diets.

The start is dogshit, however as soon as it becomes a habit to follow through, it's more uncomfortable on the days you dont go.

For diet, look for recipes that cheat. Learning how to cook breaded chicken that isn't high in fats, or grease. Find low calorie dense foods. Dense low calorie foods is probably the easiest way friends of mine lost weight. They'd be too full when dinner came, yet only consumed around 1100 calories before dinner.
With chicken, or pork. Get cornflakes, or low fat potato chips. Crush them and use that to bread the meat, and put it in the oven, or airfryer if you have one. Just with that it makes the food actually nice, while still being mostly healthy.

The worst part for me about having a healthy diet, is it's a lot of effort to prep everything. The issue I had when I was eating unhealthy, was how convenient shit was for me. I could just go to the shop, get a frozen pizza, put it in the oven and in 16mins I was eating food. Now I end up spending 2-3 hours prepping every couple days, which is pretty aids as a uni student. However after a few months of it, you see how it pays off, and how it's worth the extra effort.

What ruined drx was not having a superstar Jett, and then getting the wrong one and constantly swapping back and forth between buzz and foxy9 on Jett.

Their roster shuffles are the worst by far. Picked up lakia, played him a handful of times before he left. Gets foxy9, keeps swapping between buzz and foxy on jett.

It hasn't even been a super long season, wym. After last champs there was like a 4/5month break from official events, and then they played 12 matches over 2 months.

bro people made fun of his weight when he was on g2

It would be pointless. IT's like watching 2 ai chess go against eachother, or any sports game on the hardest difficulty play against eachother.
At that point it's just a simulation game. It would defeat the purpose of esports, and sport. Like there'd be a market for it. A niche market, and would be more like having esports for football manager or something similar. However it'll never be mainstream.

I also think it'll be boring af to watch. What makes esports and normal sports interesting, is the room for error. The whole purpose of professional sports, is to see who is better than the rest. Having AI would be counter productive to the initial essence of competition.

DRX