Jett jumped onto C sitebox spamming crouch. According to rito, it's an exploit they listed on a bug list that they gave to every team.

Tech was most likely to decide to penalise the team, or just replay the round.

It broke momentum, and potentially cost furia the match.

I guess another way you could work on it, by giving maps played a multiplyer.

So each map played, lowers the multiplyer. So 2 maps is a x1 multiplyer, so 13 rounds won = 13 points. the third map being played, could be a .75 multiplyer.

so 10 rounds would equal 7.5points, instead of 10, etc. or even decrease the multiplier even more. Just a way so playing a third map would always lead to less points than only playing 2.

Not slipping riots mind. Slipping the players mind.

Hell, I even do the jump everyday when I play on haven. I do however think riot should remove it from the exploit list. I've done exploits in matches on other games before, as it's normal to do on a day to day basis, and you sometimes forget you can't do it in official matches.

I just dont think there's any ulterior motives by Riot to do the tech pause, like others think. I just think they were discussing what route to take on the jump.

It's a shitty situation tbh. Shouldn't have been a tech pause as like even the sen players said, aswell as countless others. It's a normal part of the game.

I think it's to even it out, for if a team goes 13-0 121-13 13-0 in a bo3. They'd be rated higher than teams who won 2-0 without losing a map.

Not perfect, but I guess it puts everyone on even ground.

I think it's because he doesn't have a calculation to give teams going for 3 maps a negative rating compared to teams who won 2 straight maps.
A team could win 13-0 11-13 13-0, and he'd have 37 rounds won 13 rounds lost. Would still have lost a map, but would statistically be better than liquid, or vikings.

It is a flawed study tbh. I guess It's just a way to even it out, so people getting 2-0 get the advantage of the extra rounds.

I doubt it was decided on the spot. It could have slipped their mind as it's such a common jump, and 100% not an exploit.

I'm mainly going off what I heard said on stream. If it was on the list, then furia could have been DQ'd. I'm assuming it was similar to the cypher cam on breeze, which I think a SEA team used, and it was discovered to be on the exploit list. Team had to forfeit the series they played I believe.

However this jump is far different from that exploit. The jump should honestly be allowed to be used, as it's able to be done by every agent. I also think it's why Sen didn't do the jump, well from my memory while watching I didn't see them do it.

right now everyone can only make assumptions. I personally think it was more of a slip of mind as it's ingrained in pretty much the map since beta. Just surprised riot list it as an exploit to begin with.

I'm assuming it's whether they replay the round or dq the map.

Apparently teams are given a list of "exploits" that are known an banned by riot, before hand. SO i'm assuming it's riot deciding what they should do about it.

The list of exploits, I think it was vansilli in tariks stream who spoke about it.

5/6 CR let me down :(

tbh the fact it's been in beta since doesn't change anything. Before an event teams are given a list of exploits that aren't allowed to be used. The cypher cam on breeze is one of them.
This was confirmed on Tariks stream where Vansilli - caster for val. Confirmed it.

Like, it's a shitty situation. However at least they were made to do a tech pause, than get DQ for knowingly using something that was explicitly told not to.

I'm assuming that's what took so long. either decideing to let them play on, or DQ. Because if they had a list of exploits (riot list. the jump is by far not an exploit), and still did it. That's a more serious issue as it's making a judgement based on the intention behind ignoring the exploit list, or just forgetting.

I think it's mainly down to people underestimating them after their mediocre domestic tournements in the past couple months. The random rough comps they played, had people assuming they'd struggle.

fnatic do still have a lot to work out, given they nearly lost two maps from a comeback from 11-7, which they lost 11-13. then the fracture map at 12-6 which they got taken to overtime.
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them being a lan team, or c9 having lan jitters. Dont think it was either. There were times both teams looked rough, and times where both teams looked great.

Unless his performance dips to a bad level, I'm sure other teams in eu would pick him up. Even if it's not a top tier team, he can still make a good career in cs if he leaves liquid.

I was just saying that the viewership of the major isn't the reason he's staying, or not switching. His teams qualifications to events and his form still being good enough to compete, is why he wont switch.

Not even viewership.

His performance plus liquid qualifying for events is more than enough incentive to stay.

He has a higher chance of switching due to form dropping, than csgo dying.

To a competitive player a lower tier LAN means less than what champs is. Go into any of their streams and ask if qualifying champs is more important than winning iceland.

Look at it with league. Do you think a team is happy they hit semi in their regional torny, instead of making worlds? Even if you lose in groups, that event is more prestigious, and a bigger achievement than the previous events.

you also seem to forget that prize pools from events are a nice bonus, but not the main money maker from pro players. Sponsors and wages are their main brunt of money they earn.

what would you think would mean more to a runner. Coming third in nationals, not qualifying. Or qualifying for olympics just to come last? Olympics for sure. It's the biggest event for the sport, aswell as ethe most prestigious. No matter his placement, his can put on his CV that he qualified for the largest event in the sport.

That's why going to the biggest event is a bigger achievment than getting to semis. Sure g2 made more money. However do you really think they'd rather hit semis, not qual for champs. Or not make it to semis and go to champs? I can nearly promise you that they'd rather go to champs, than get the chump change they got.

Also when I reference chump change. Each of these players are most likely getting paid 10k or above. Their prizepool was 85k, with that being split with 7 people, not evenly, but still split. It's why prizepools aren't the main money maker, over just wanting to win.

I might hop in and out. Probably wont sit through a whole BO3, or a full match. Just feel no connection with the scene in Brazil, or any of the players. Had the same thing on siege, where I just didn't care about the region when it came to games. Had 0 feeling of hype, or excitement when a team played.

Wouldn't mind dipping in and out, checking them out, etc.

Okay, put it this way.

Who got further in their career. A team who didn't make it to champs, the biggest event of the year. Or the team that did?

C9 might still have gotten there a different way, but they're still there. G2 didn't make it.

Pretty much here's a short answer to your question. Were g2 good enough to make champs? No. Is c9 good enough to make champs, yes.

Champs>master>challengers.
C9 made it to a more prestigious event, thus it's a bigger achievement. It's not hard to understand bud.

C9 made it to the biggest event of the year, G2 didnt. They got far in an event that outside of top2 means nothing compared to champs.

Still getting to champs is a bigger achievement than g2s run in berlin.

Ego

Not flashy, somewhat clean. Nothing hugely eyecatching, or distracting. Especially the gold/white/black variant.

Wait, icebox is G2's best map? Thought it was ascent.

Doesn't matter if they didn't have the best competition.
Also Envy beat 100t, in a convincing fashion. Gambit lost against 100t.

so far gambit has lost 1 match, 3 maps in total. Envy haven't' lost a map, and beat the team that beat Gambit. No shot they're the underdogs going into this. They've literally sent home their whole region, who had the previous champions, and arguable the strongest contender for the trophy, given they beat the other finalist in groups.

dw, friend of mine has Envy at a 2.20, whilst Gambit are at 1.60

he swiftly put 150eur on Envy. No clue how Envy is the underdog for him, given they've not lost a map this event, whilst gambit has.

Not really. It would just benefit people with a higher sens.

The dash is the most busted part of her kit. The free escape from any situation. Nerfing that without making Jett garbage tier, is rough. Some people suggested making it so you cant dash with heavy weps (odin, op), which would kill the character pick rate. Some suggested that you hold down the dash for distance, etc.

having it be front facing, is not ideal as a Jett main, be it with rifle or op. However it's the best nerf to her dash without crippling the characters pickrate.

Also a nerf to the knifes woudl be nice. Something like limiting recharge to at a 1 max, so 10 knifes total. Her knifes on eco is a terror to play against, and great to play with. The fact she can get away with so much with an ult, is nuts. Some nerf to the recharge I feel is needed. That is if they're going to mess with the knifes.

He could be. Hopefully he gets more time on it, and become like yay. Yays really picked it upgreat, and has been putting insane numbers down.

Just right now, I feel it was a rush trying to get him ready for Berlin, whilst using the op. His future with it is insane though.

You're saying rifling is overrated. How so? What does recoil have to do with being a rifler?

The skillset regarding riflers, and op users, is quite literally how good they are with it. Asuna is a subpar Jett OP. With a rifler, he's in the top3 of NA. Not everyone can flex riflers and using the OP. It's why in csgo, aswell as valorant. You mostly have an op main, and then 4 riflers. Maybe one of the riflers can flex and op (Nitro, Tenz, Yay etc.)

A rifler is just referencing someones choice of weapons. Asuna is a great rifler, Victor is a great rifler, sinatra is a great rifler. Wardell is a great oper, Shahzam is a great oper, Cned is a great oper. It's just their choice of weapon.
When someone calls someone a rifler, it's because they choose to go with a rifle, over and op.

It's just dash whichever direction she is facing. Instead of directional dashing, you have to look to where you want to dash. Just takes a bit of adapting to get used to it, and it'll be a little bit less forgiving to op with her.

Dont think the language barrier is a huge issue, considering his team consist of multiple people from multiple countries.

The region is the main issue. Just importing players isn't common.

Ex csgo player who played on Complexity in T1. Wasn't the best player, but would be good in val.

Think it's more of not trying to force him on OP Jett. He's by far one of the best riflers in NA right now. Just him on OP feels like wasted potential.

That has to do with what?

G2 poached Koldamenta, who was Acends IGL. That's why he was saying they poached the wrong player.

Also by the time Koldamenta joined, Mixwell played 1 official match as Jett, before he left for a supp role.

So what relevancy does those tweets have to the original claim that G2 didn't poach Cned, because Mixwell wanted Jett?

It's really odd how people take the NA>EU shit so seriously. Like, you mention one bad thing about a region, and they just go after stereotypes about the other region. Honestly not sure where the regional nationalism comes from. Like I couldn't give a fuck if EU was the top of an esport, or the bottom. I watch teams and support the ones I enjoy watching. The whole regional argument, is about as braindead as the console wars argument.

Bro, you forget this guy made a new account just to post this thread. Dudes the kind of guy who makes a throwaway account on Reddit because he's scared his internet points get taken away.

Bro, you forget this guy made a new account just to post this thread. Dudes the kind of guy who makes a throwaway account on Reddit because he's scared his internet points get taken away.

Thing people dont seem to realise. Dental care in the UK is free until around 18 or so. After that it's not crazy expensive either. Veneers can go for like 4k or so.
The US, Veneers can go upwards of 15k. EU gives their citizens accessibility to free or affordable health/dental care. US does the opposite.

That's gum lmfao.

ofc, I agree. Right now it's just the same in the sense of no matter who they play, they'll most likely win. They're by far the most consistent team in the world. They dont have a dynasty yet, as that's most likely a year + of winning large events. Just right now, they're not the most fun team to watch, as we know the outcome.

I just used the other cs teams as comparison, so someone doesn't think it's a general EU vs NA narrative, when it's just down to viewing experience.
It's also why people got bored of watching g2/penta in siege, when they were at their peak.

It's the same as the Astralis era, or fnatic era on cs. Was boring to watch, but fantastic to witness a team so dominant. Was great for the game, but not he best viewing experience because you already know the outcome.

1 round out of like 20. Dudes been cold this whole series so far. Overrated idk, but he is struggling right now to find his impact he usually has.

The reason people who're not in the scene get permission to have a watch party, is to bring people no in the scene into the game. Riot gains little when having someone like avg jonas, as his whole viewerbase is valorant orientated. Dr dis, his could bring in new players. That's the main focus of watch parties.

Teams do have their consistant fanbase. Heretics pre-iceland was a huge Spanish favourite. Now g2 is.
Turkey - bbl still gets around 70-100k viewers every match they play. SMB is a newish team, so new fans are popping up.
Fnatic fans did dwindle. The people who're so outspoken and swap their flairs, just care about the region rivalry.

Bandwagon, is bad in both regions. The amount of Sen fans I saw jump over after the TSM reign was done with. People bandwagon because they dont really care about the teams itself, just the ego behind them winning. Same shit happens in sports themselves. Football/soccer wise, I've seen more people support Manchester united, jump to Manchester city. It just happens because people care more about winning, than supporting.

Every over the top fan is annoying. TSM fans can be, sen fans can, liquid, g2, etc. Just bringing up a persons team without it being relevant to the post, is moronic.

leaf

Dudes still hurt that NUTURN beat sharks.

ouch, that's shitty. Was never a huge fan of the team, respected them for what they did last pl they won, but damn that sours the whole thing.
Hopefully HUNDEN has evidence that can get the players punished. Like, concrete proof that they knew. hopefully action is taken and the players get banned/suspended.

Wait, howcome heroic are scum bags? Assuming due to the coach bug that was used?

I'm not too sure about the drama surrounding specific teams in cs.

Going and looking back at a few posts because i was curious about it.

Prize Pool - 2018
Initial prize pool is $ 2,250,000 USD (approx. € 1,950,734 EUR)
12.5% of sales from Championship Kha'Zix skins & Championship ward skins is added to the prize pool.
Another 12.5% of sales of the aforementioned skins will be shared between all teams at the event.
In the event that a tie cannot be broken between Group Stage teams, prize pool money is averaged.
Approximate final prize pool is $ 6,450,000 USD
$ 6,450,000 US Dollars are spread among the teams as seen below:

Sourch : https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2018_Season_World_Championship

The proceeding years, they didn't add on the sales money. Apparently the in client sales were left behind closed doors, unlike the previous years.

edit:

Prize Pool - 2021
Vietnamese teams will be given compensation, equal to 2.1% of the prize pool, to account for them not being able to attend due to travel restrictions.[3]
Gambit Esports will also be given compensation, equal to 0.6% of the prize pool, as they traveled to Shanghai as a backup team for LCL's Unicorns of Love, in case they wouldn't be able to attend the event.[4]
As a result of these modifications, more than 100% of the prize pool will be paid out this year.
Figures are based on the minimum guaranteed prize pool of $ 2,225,000 USD. A percentage of the revenue from designated in-client sales is yet to be added to this amount.
$ 2,225,000 US Dollars are spread among the teams as seen below:

https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2020_Season_World_Championship

So there is a reason, just unfortunate we dont know the full number, other than the base purse riot gives.

oh yeah, I wasn't trying to argue with you. I agree that he was the first to go. Before the iceland quals, it was soulcas who was performing bad, aswell as link. Since iceland, soulcas has been one of their best players, and link has been reliable.

I'm fully agreeing with you, just wanted to add a bit on :)

I feel the general meme trash talk makes it interesting for people watch. Rivalries make it seem like there's more on the line than money/placement. Pride on the line is great for a storyline.
But yeah, each to their own. I'm fine with trash talk, as long as it's not serious. Everyone atm, most likely jokes about it (players, not forums), which I'm a fan of. If one region is adamant they're better than another, that I think is stupid.

Bro, wym. Everyone in the UK has an ego online LUL

Also to everyone else. Regions fight regions is fucking great for storylines. If everyone is respectful all the time, it's boring to watch. Rivalries, bm, ego. All that shit is great to watch

Bro, imagine if there was bbl vs sen/100t. turkish viewers for BBL matches are insane. That ontop of NA viewership, would be nuts.

prizepool is somewhat relevant. Look at dotas prizepool compared to cs. CS has been a top tier esport for 20years.
Valve has shown they put more money into dota, despite CS being the top fps esport in the world.

I proabbly should have added onto my previous message, and Valve put mroe resources into Dota, than csgo. Riot have been increasing prizepools and production a huge amount in the past year. Just compare first strike, to now.
We've only 2 S tier events so far, which are the two masters. both hitting 600k/700k. The production of the two masters, compared to a cs major, are huge differences.

It's just down to which company cares more about which scene. Riot know the impact of esports on league and cs, so they're focusing on that with val. It will only keep growing, while cs will probably stagnate for a bit.

tldr; riot putting more resources to val than valve are to cs. If valve put half the recourses they put in dota, cs would be un touchable. Right now, val can take over cs within 2 years.

The whole argument of co streams makes me laugh. Why are people so proud that valve put 0 effort into cs, but so hateful that RIOT have a smart marketing strategy?

cs is far from dead, but valve are just slowly killing the esports scene. Even prizepools in Val are catching upto CS. Next years champs will be past the mil mark. It took csgo 9 years to hit a 2mil mark with the upcoming stockholm major.
Valve are honestly isolating themselves, with their little marketing. It will honestly take val overtaking cs, for valve to wake up and make big changes.