but they are only in playoffs because Vitality and BBL are FRAUDS and lost to fucking giantX and koi (both bottom 6 non-chinese teams)

its 60-40 in either direction at most not 65-35

i genuienly hate how many brackets have FNC going through they don't deserve it at fucking all

yeah they've only played 7 EMEA teams at interantional events (the 4 listed + guild TH and FUT)

2 maps he drops 41, 3 maps he drops 62

danii said he was ur bf and i trust him over you

?

im p sure he's iranian ethnically and australian nationally (maybe new zealand i forget)

mf ur Boyfriend danii is the gay furry not me

OLD STINKY CAT

well one of zeta's players had an eye injury they never came back from iirc so thats a part of why they fell off

what have i said in this discussion that is copium.
its u brits on copium

yes if a map win is a map win then "i can ask the same question to you and you'll have no answer either." is true.... bro thought he did something

i can ask the same question to you and you'll have no answer either.
100T comfortably 2-0'd G2, LOUD almost lost a map vs G2
and don't even say SEN LMAO

this means nothing, NRG are #9 in americas

^^^^^^

FNC last year is the only team ever that you can say had 4 insane players, he was the 4th best player on his team at international events. insane is just too much of a stretch

i wouldn't go that far, he was a great player but insane is a bit of a stretch.

he won an event, no one else here has won a VCT event as a player, thats a very big distinction

winning one match does not mean a team owns another team

but you give a fuck about what delusional idiots think? LMFAO

but neither I nor riot do so bringing up what some delusional fans think is fucking stupid

this changes nothing with what i said

mf has to split NA and SA to say EMEA is better its so cute

i don't think GenG had visa issues like SEN, and GenG also went 3-3 just like SEN, with worse round diff(but better map diff) too

before i answer, i have SEN 6-8 not 6-9
yes and no
obviously going from #1 ITW to outside the top half of non-chinese teams is worrying on its own
but
this is the most stacked region 1-8 to ever exist, if SEN were in any other region (bar EMEA group omega) they make playoffs.
last year teams had the benefit of longer stages to help them recover from deep runs in previous events, and before that(2022) regions didn't have enough depth in the first place
like through week 4(5 games) last year in americas
standings were
LOUD 5-0
C9 4-1
100T 3-2
Lev 3-2
Furia 3-2
NRG 2-3
SEN 2-3
mibr 2-3
EG 1-4
KRU 0-5
this puts NRG, who is pretty much considered the best of the 5th-8th teams at Lock\in, as a 6th-8th team in Americas through 5 games, and this was a much weaker americas region than this year and a similar thing could've happened to NRG

RRQ is also debatably top 4 in pacific and you can potentially argue they are 2nd behind only PRX

top 4 teams in americas are the 4 you listed
then C9
then EG, G2 & SEN ( no particular order)
then NRG

genuienly aspas being close to a 2 K/D over a whole stage(so far) is absurd

when its a goat list and the GOAT igl isn't on it..... Saadhak disrespect is crazy

NICE TRY

lets go by the european union then.
CIS and turkey still not part of EU
ultimately, its riot's choice not ours, and EU has been separate from both CIS and turkey as subregions since the first masters

But no one is trying to group Mexico and NA as one beyond the grouping of them in the Americas “big region” which there is still a path similar to the one in Europe, you go USA -> Puerto Rico etc etc (not to mention trying to compare Southern Africa to Iceland in the EMEA region)

Mexico is grouped with the LATAM North subregion, not the North American sub region, so this point is mute

vitality also went from potential 1 seed to not making playoffs, its not like it was JUST BBL it was just that group was very closely contested, regardless of format that would happen

assuming GenG regain their international form they had at madrid, I'd include GenG in this since its a regional matchup, and I'd also include heretics but both navi and heretics can't make it so that point is mute

LOL, im usually pretty good at pickems so it was very hard to find one i did bad at (besides Pacific playoffs this stage i guess)

you brazilians need to get ur head out of the sewer

bro if we went by cultural similarities Europe would be split up more than Kim K and Kanye are

u aren't even brainless lol, especially not for a fnatic fan

what dis mean

"I still see people saying NA > EMEA though so like?
Y'all can say it but we can't? The fact that America's is better than EMEA is straight up obvious tbf, there's not even some fun debate to be had" anyone who says NA > EMEA or EMEA > NA is wrong and in the past

"The only rivalry that makes sense is NA vs Europe as they are the two best regions in the world" people always group EU with CIS and TR though, even though since 2021 they've been seperate subregions of EMEA (via the regional masters).
if people didn't always group TR and CIS with EU (and in turn comparing 1 sub region with multiple sub regions) i might be completely ok with it

if GenG actually does something at shanghai this SPECIFIC THING is valid, but pacific's depth is less than americas

it literally doesn't matter role wise, its saadhak it they can run no duelist comps on every map and do fine

no you aren't the average european isn't a catboy in a relationship with kirya

this list is equivalent to dropping an atomic bomb on the kitchen

i always do
sometimes its perfect https://www.vlr.gg/event/pickem/1273/challengers-league-brazil-split-1
and other times i burn the kitchen https://www.vlr.gg/event/pickem/1494/champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo

that was him comming in french though right? its a debuff

wdym? did something happen to scream?

• asuna + scream

• bang + s0m

• qck + idfk who

• tuyz + pancada