Maybe liquid would have gone to Shanghai if

-Emil gets replaced
-Enzo gets replaced
-We bring back sayf
-nats is consistent
-we didn’t choke on water
-jamppi is consistent

• we had an IGL that got more than 5 kills in 22 rounds
• we didn’t suck
  Yeah maybe if those little things happened we could have won!

Bros still coping that loss 😭

If Liquid somehow manage to make it to Shanghai with this team I completely understand why people say EMEA is the worst region

We've had incredible talent, and choked at important moments. Seems like a leadership issue to me. Sayf and naTs on the same team

Really? I hate icebox but honestly I think ascent is the only map that doesn’t need changes. I really like it

I don’t know what’s going on with the format. Meant to add fracture haven and pearl

-- breeze
— sunset
— split

+Haven
+Pearl
+Fracture

New map needs to be released sooner. It’s been almost a year and this map pool is stale. At one point, I hated fracture more than anything, but right now I’d put it back in just for some change.

Hopefully if liquid loses, this will be what pushes them to get rid of Emil and Enzo

Why am I getting downvotes on an apology post? How bitter is vlr grammar check

Everyone in this chat debating isn't in the same country as me, like I said, using American Grammarly corrects You Are to You're. However, Cleg is right, technically You're is less formal. Where I learned English, I learned to use You're, but there really is no difference. Debating grammar on a valorant website is crazy

different regions. just admit u want an ego boost. Watch Immo EMEA vs Diamond NA on youtube. Immo EMEA won 13-10. against diamond 1 and 2s

Is it crazy to say that whoever won the TL vs Acend game was winning champs 100%?
I know Gambit was crazy good, but they didn't impress me a whole lot at the time during champs despite making it to the final

It's crazy to me to think that more than 60% of this game is silver and gold. Not in a bad way, but just how much it shows the rank system sucks

its actually thanks* ☝️🤓

Read my comment to Cleg, he brought up the most valid point, two different education systems

Actually that could be it, I forget Americans do it differently, my fault

like I said man, debating grammar on a website with a bunch of degenerates is crazy, but professionally, you're is correct

you're is the more formal version of you are and when you use grammarly or anything that corrects spelling, it will correct you are to you're

grammatically speaking it would be you're bronze* actually

Tier 1 only or Tier 2 aswell?

If Tier 2 counts, nitr0 is jacked

best way to put it honestly

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He's shown talent though. I don't mean to be toxic saying this since your a fnatic fan, but when Liquid played Fnatic in VCT EMEA finals last year, he looked like he was going to rise to the top. He's just inconsistent which is a problem

I see your point, but not the whole world plays VALORANT. Lets remove Iron and Bronze for a second. Even then Ascendant would be "High Elo" as its top 10%. I'm one of those guys that doesn't think rank proves shit, so maybe I'm biased. But I am willing to say that its more of an achievement to solo queue to ascendant then it is to duo or trio to immortal. Your logic does make sense, just a little different then baseball imo

Man imagine if Liquid had kept Sayf, Nats, and Jampii. Maybe you pick up Keiko and a different IGl like Shadow who wasn't playing IGL at the time and that team would actually have a chance. So sad to see one of the best players ITW get stuck with bad teams

you can't read

Yall are weird

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bro liked his own comment

Keep in mind the no brain argument doesn't always work. Lots of tier 2-3 teams have Ascendants as their IGL with bad aim. Look at FNS man, dudes a genius but has really bad aim for a pro. Aim matters more in comp than it does in pro. And I know he's hit radiant, but I think this is a little outrageous

Yeah I can agree with this one more than the rest. I think thats a fair claim.

Just so I don't get the "your bronze comments" Im Currently Ascendant 3.

Feel Free to Express Your Opinions

I've seen way to many people say that "High Elo" doesn't start until immortal 3. Obviously its subjective and what not, but keep in mind, Diamond is still top 10% of the game and Ascendant is like top 2.5% or something like that. If you want to go off of where pros are playing and what not, sure Immo 3 is high elo and the rest is below. But some 80 or 85% of the game has never hit platinum. High elo doesn't just mean the top 20% of the game split from the rest and then ranked. I would say Diamond is where it technically classifies as High Elo. Put Diamonds and Radiants against Irons and it won't really make a difference to the irons, despite the radiants would roll diamonds versus each other. Then, VALORANTs MMR system is so scuffed that there are people in Immortal who play against low to mid diamonds, and there are people in Ascendant that are queueing against High immortals and even Radiants.

Let me know what y'all think, I feel like this debate needs to be settled

Played 3 games tonight and I am currently Ascendant 2.

1st Game
28 Kill 293 combat on reyna 14-12 win
+20 average rank was Ascendant 3 with 2 immortals

2nd Game
22 Kill Loss 255 combat score on Chamber 11-13 loss
-19 average rank was Ascendant 3 1 immortal

3rd game

20 Kill win 243 combat score 13-10 win
+16 average rank Immortal 1 with 1 immortal 2 and 1 immortal 3

Why did I gain less for playing above average with higher ranks ? Then why am I losing so much for playing well and above my rank. Please explain

their unpredicatable so the pros won't know what to do against their insane strats

Completely agree. But honestly nats has been super inconsistent this season and isn’t helping them either. Keep him and Keiko, fire coach and analyst.

1v1 Liquid has naTs (hes either 3-12 or 14-2)

3v4. Liquid has Enzo

Bro what. I’ve never seen a fan base so mad that a rival game gets attention that they go to a website for that rival game or play the rival game just to hate on it. I’ve played CS and VAL or years and they are both fun, different games. No need to hate on either. Quit coping

I've seen people say that zekken is a fraud and that Sen should have signed aspas instead. It's one bad game and Aspas played incredibly well, good to get it out of the way rather than it be during champs. Calm Down

YEAH WOOPS I FORGOT THE EMIL HATE AND ALL THAT I WAS SO LIVID

Get off of my favorite team. I hate sitting on my couch every week to watch this team choke on water. We were up 10-2 with a viper, omen, and a cypher. During Madrid Qualifiers you averaged 7 kills per map. Your Highlight tapes consist of 3Ks while crouch spraying through a smoke. Please Liquid bring in Cloud And Replace Emil with Engh and bring back my king Sayf. Everytime I watch this team I become more and more delusional and violent.

Yeah liquid always chokes on water. I blame leadership in Enzo and Emil. They need to go

Detonation fan talking???

I said I’m no expert man. No need to be rude. But you’re actually wrong. Look at shadows twitter. Says he IGL. So please be nicer my friend

So I am by no means an expert on player contracts and signings and stuff. However I do have an opinion and would love to hear other people’s thoughts.

1. Liquid need new leadership which means removing Emil and Enzo

2. Liquid keep Keiko, nats and Jampii (might have spelled that wrong)

3. Liquid replace Enzo with a t1 IGL like Shadow from KOI who was his former teammate and has been playing well for a bad team

4. Bring back Sayf

Feel free to leave your opinions, but I am sick of watching this team choke on water, we need to make a move soon

Calling maybe, but dropping 6 kills a game is still terrible, regardless of if you’re an IGL or not. I agree, get rid of Emil though.

My question is. Out of everyone on the APeks roster, how did the IGL end up being not only the worst player to come from it, but also the worst IGL? 3 players from APeks are now IGLs for partnered teams and Enzo is by far the worst one.

Enzo is terrible, his calling is okay, but he’s average under 10 kills per map. Don’t pull the IGL card either. If we have 1 other player have a bad day besides him, we are getting crushed.

Tl loses 2-1, Enzo drops 7 kills like usual