idk if this is the right thing to post on vlr but if he hates you for this he wasnt worth your time anyway fine ppl that actually apreciate you

are you that bored?

he played yoru a lot in ranked not too long ago, I don't think he's gonna play yoru. Hope im wrong though

Yeah it's understandable. It's something way more tangible than, "being great"

But, I think it makes more sense to rank a top players list with their performances mainly; of course you need a balance of both though. No one putting oxy in a top 10 list

Your just counting trophys and sprikling in some individual performance here and there. It's fine, but not how I would consider my top 10; how good a player performs is more important to me. I would put Aspas much higher. Also, don't think yay has a place on this list sure he had one of the highest peaks we've ever seen, but he's done nothing other than that and I think a player like nAts or zkmkjj are much more suitable.

no, its Loss not palla

BBL out in groups smh

Oh I didnt know that

T3xture was 3rd for me, I js think what alpha did at his peak was insane, and what spring did for wolves is also crazy, he solo carried a handfull of maps and to do that on such an underdog team is more impressive to me than t3xtures performance

I do think they were all very close to each other in terms of performance but those 2 were just slightly above for me

yes lets just never play breach or kayo again!!!

I think I value later games more highly than early games just because they're more important. Even if texture never stepped off the gas alfa's peak was higher

alfa and spring> texture imo

especially after what alfa did in grandfinals if fnc took it to a map 5 he definitely would've broken kk's kill record

W engagement bait

-- said the silver

To the few ppl that are saying f0rsaken > Chronicle:

Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)

Trophies: 3, Finals: 5, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 8
International Appearances: 8/14

Best performances:
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: MVP (but losing team), so 2nd MVP (after zeek)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on losing team (3rd MVP of the series overall)

International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8)
5 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.

Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: #2 player of the year (after GMB nAts)
2022: N/A
2023: #6 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke)
2024: #12 player of the year (after T3xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, W00t, Derke, TenZ, Chichoo, Zmjjkk)
2025: ~#5 player of the year so far (after Alfajer, F0rsaken, Meteor, Trent. Debatable: Derke, T3xture)

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F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL

Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 7
International Appearances: 11/14

Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)

International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.

Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: N/A
2022: #13 player of the year (after Yay, MaKo, Sacy, pAncada, Shao, Derke, Aspas, Suygetsu, Marved, Less, Crashies, Alfajer)
2023: #18 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke, Chronicle, Jawgemo, Less, d4v41, Sayf, Ethan, something, cNed, Zmjjkk, s0m, Shao, MaKo)
2024: N/A
2025: ~#1-#3 player of the year (convo: F0rsaken, Alfajer, Meteor)

0 debate, Chronicle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F0rsaken

pretty much what localkoolkid said

just could not close a map to save their lives

me too

yes

yes

juicy

ok? js because ppl aren't cheering for a team doesnt make them a meme or troll team

meme team?

I don't think so. I for sure havent seen that interview, but anytime bro gets asked abt it on stream he talks about going back to playing as if its as bad as getting cancer. So, I doubt he'll comeback ever, but definitely not this year

Dude I know how good he would be. He doesn't want to play.

I want wtv ur on. Sacy is never coming back to VCT. Although I wish he did

where da skins at?

A water cove, with shorties and cgrs's

crazy?

3-1

Mechanically not, but tier 2 teams would still lose to the bottom of tier 1 maybe not to all ascension teams, but player to player mechanically not really

Of course the heretics fan saying trophies dont mean anything lmao

.

Yay, Jawg > sacy is crazy work

mhm

crazy?

https://indeed.com/

always been a thing for 2nd masters since franchising

Talvez mas nao tem como saber. Se tivesse o mesmo salario minimo eu entendo nao ter chamado uma line gringa. E tambem a situacao do kickoff da Furia era bem differente. Eles precisavam de uma line pra jogar por que e o evento principal nao a ewc.

Eu nao sei como o salario funciona pra time temporario mas o normal e tipo 4k por mes(50k por ano) se eles tiverem que representar o qualifier todo e 15k do bolso da Loud. A Riot bota como o minimo. Entao nao sei se consiguiriam. Eu acho que tem que seguir o salario minimo pra line temporaria tbm.

They're poor asf

its the 11th for americans and also they're weird so its 5/12 instead

kjhaflkjasdhfkljasd;lkfjajsdf PLZ, WWW

just a question because the imagination goes fucking crazy

how much fanfiction have you written?

<3

he was pANcada was tourney mvp, aspas was finals mvp

this is the argument now? and Trace could've beaten kickoff T1 again you have not watched the games

welp now we separate the men from boys 4-3

No, you can't T1 kickoff would've gone 0-2 in Bangkok and went back to Korea. You clearly don't know what you're talking about

Rb has been in China for 2 years now performing ok at best. Zest was still on a dysfunctional team and played like shit. And, you cannot compare Kickoff T1 to Bangkok playoffs T1; 2 completely different teams. If you think they are close to the same level of gameplay you havent watched the games or are just braindead. DRX beat T1 2x in kickoff.

Foxy9 on a team that didn't make Bangkok, and Zest played on Bleed and Bleed were the worst team in pacific when he was on the team. Rb did go to China and China is good he just hasn't performed anywhere near the level that Mako has since leaving. While playing in an easier region.