I see what you did there xD

It stings, I know, but both teams look solid right now and NRG just outstratted them.

Heretics are nowhere near as good as either MIBR or NRG right now, IMO. I think they bomb out against PRX, and if they do then no one can say anything in their defense. Heretics looks anything but clean at the moment.

They're in the upper final rn. You can call it luck all you want, but that's an absurd take. Just because they're not outfragging doesn't mean they're not outstratting other teams, homie. If they end up winning the event you're gonna look like the biggest dildo in your mom's personal collection. xD

Absolutely. Both matches absolute bangers. Props to all the competitors. Put on a great show today

There are objectives and strats that you have to play/execute too. KS isn't everything. Everyone forgets that

Verno the golden boy, Aspas the King. Imagine if they had some real support. Might be prime LOUD or prime Sentinels level strong

they're both Americas, not NA technically, but who cares. They're both solid rn

Jeez, that time of the month for you to gush, huh? xD

Disregarding my love of shit-talk, yo...

DOMA... showing up for the boys, man. Round of fqn applause for real. clappity-clap-clap

Well done, my bald son

Had the CHEATCODE MINI BUFF against FNC AND NO ALFA ON THE SERVER... STILLLLLLLLLLLLL CHOKING OUT OF THE GAME. PfthahahahaXD

Sit your stupidass down and stfu, "FohSayKuhnn", ya loud little chump xD

HAAAAAAAAAhahhahahahaaaaaaaaa!!! XD

SMD ya little tw@twaffle bishboy. :]

Fk sakes, how many UNEARNED advantages could a team like PRX possibly get, which they don't need or deserve in the first place? Makes me sick

• No Alfa
• fkn MINI buff vs FNC, because no one on this PLANET knows how FNC play the game and how Boaster's brain works MORE THAN MINI does...
• And they get cuq'd by happenstance because Kaajak overlooks Something for a clone literally only because he's ON Yoru in the first place

...Which obviously there's no defending Kaajak on that, but come the fk on. Why the hell does PRX deserve THIS MUCH script advantage? Holy shit, it's disgusting. Those turds don't deserve THAT fkn much of a damn handicap advantage, yet Forsaken's still talking shit as though he's not getting all of these free advantages for absolutely nothing. Disgusting

.......TO AZZZZZZZKABAN!

BRRRRRRRRAWKTAAAAAAAAAAAAAGONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN SON xD

What kind of assistant coach do you know who has literally not met their team in person until the current event excluding years prior when said "assistant coach" was on another team for a completely different region? You say "but he's helped since JUNE" as though he's been there for years or something. Dude's been "assistant coaching" for a couple of months and you're acting like he's been there since the conception of this roster. xD

It's not about Valve. It's about riot not pulling it's weight and honestly, not really trying at all. They already make enough money, so they can't be bothered to spend anything on REAL venues and actually well run events. They don't care enough, man. If you disagree then fine, we can agree to disagree, but when this game has completely evaporated from the public eye in about three years, you can think back on what I said here and realize I might have said a few things right.

I literally already play 5x more cs than I do Val, I just wanted something other than CS to emerge and become something special. Something that COULD compete with CS, but for so, so very many reasons, it just absolutely does not. Riot doesn't put near as much into Valorant as the CS community/backers/organizers do, and it's painfully obvious. That being said, there should be other games that are able to compete with CS, because yeah it's been at the top for so long it's managed to maintain dominance in the space and HAS had the time to get all the rules, expectations of orgs and players, expectations for events and everything else right, but riot is so horrible at paying attention to the right trends and emulating that.

It's not like other games haven't "been there, done that", but riot just doesn't care. It's a symptom of cheapness and lack of care for their creation, and it sucks to see. It actually does bother me, if that wasn't already apparent. I love this game, but I DETEST how horribly mismanaged it is, and it's partly lack of funding, lack of interest in actually bringing great events to the fanbase, lack of fanbase interaction, BUT I think it's also partly very weak rule sets and an incredibly weak understanding of the FPS Pro scenes that came before them. I just don't think they care that much. They're making money hand over fist in yet another game because of skins, and that's all they care about. If CS events have 30k in attendance to Valorant's 3k, well whatever I guess, but I guarantee you if they tried harder they could get people in stadiums. They just flat out don't.

With all their hundreds of millions they won't even fund ACTUALLY functional PCs, and their tech teams are just ass. I know there are people on those teams that work hard, but the comparison of them to the tech squads they have running CS events is an absolute joke. There's a very good reason you don't hear CS pros complaining about PCs or having to jump on SERVERS... to play LAN events... "WTF is even that?" Fk sakes, man. I'm not here because I DON'T care and am just a purely cs stan. I'm here because I DO care and I want something to be able to compete with CS.

Competition in a given market/scene forces ALL products/ALL people competing in that atmosphere to LEVEL UP their production and actually fun for better equipment, better experiences and better events at which MILLIONS of fans of Valorant would like to attend in varying places around the world. That doesn't change the fact that riot just gives us the most limp-dk effort ever. It's disgusting. You can argue all you want to, but there's a reason that the CS community absolutely blows Valorant's out of the water AND off of the server. And it's not just their "tenure at the top". I don't need anything more from CS. I don't need THEM trying harder to give the community what it wants and deserves. I do, however, need RIOT to give a shit and put forth some actually money and effort. Riot's cheapsht, though, and if you can't see that then you might be blind man, IDK

Relax, little man, the script was already bought in your favor. You don't have anything to worry about xD

BenjiBitchy lookin so lost on stage after that game, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. JUSTICE IS A DISH SERVED COLD, ya arrogant, loud mouthed doosher xD

Watching MIBR absolutely shit all over these fraudulent Heretics(which is such an INCREDIBLY appropriate org name) is absolutely BEAUTIFUL cinema. Send those loud mouthed shits to lowers so they can bomb out and head home for a good cry while they watch REAL teams like MIBR succeed. This new MIBR look is gross, but in the best of ways, lol

He was a consultant for strategy and positioning, but I don't he was on the team in any official capacity, plus you have to be getting paid for that to be the case in the first place. Like I said, he's not been with the team as a coach, but whatever, if you want to say "that constitutes him being a coach" I don't think I care at this point. Just seems lame. Also, calling G2 "gold2" just because you don't like me is some bitchmade shit, lol. xD

Yeah, but what I was saying is that if i t's not a technical breaking of the rules, then "PRX can do whatever they want", which any other team could have as well. I just have an issue with riot not having any forethought with shit like this, and like I said before, there's a reason other FPS pro scenes have rules against bringing in coaches late. And as far as my understanding Mini was only listed because he was consulting with the team since June on strategy and positioning, but that's not technically being on the team. He could do that and still not be getting paid. But if that constitutes that he IS on the team in some way, then whatever I suppose

So we can't be objective. Alright

Also, with the addition of Mini, they have the same number of staff including managers, so you're wrong there too.

Okay "pal", but when the game is a skeleton of it's former self and the community has imploded within the next two or three years, I'll see you back on CS. :]

Or are you one of those CoD tweens?

I'm not acting like this wasn't a close game. The fact that it WAS A CLOSE GAME is even MORE to my point. How do you not get that? They won by the edge of a HANDFUL of rounds... so can you not at least admit that MINI could have been the difference? Maybe MINI gave them the edge? Because I don't feel like that's saying too much or that this is an unfair take.

If you're gonna argue with me, at least try to be good faith enough to admit when I might have a good point, and I think that I do.

Again... that's the whole rub with this...

Consider this. Mini is an extremely intelligent and proven talent when it comes to prep and strategy, and PRX pulled this win over G2 by just a few rounds total by the end of the series, correct?

Do you agree or disagree that there's a pretty good chance that mini... MIGHT... have been the edge for them here? Because if we can't admit that he probably was then there's no reason to have any in depth conversation on any topics like these to begin with.

I'm just trying to make a point that if Onur and d00mbros(disregarding language barriers) showed up to the event and threw on some G2 jerseys(or fk it, pick your damn poison, any other squad should be treated the same way) then I have to assume that there would be some fans of other squads pretty pissed about that. Is that fair?

No, but that's part of my point. Riot doesn't pay attention to their own game. A lot of other FPS pro scenes do not allow for staff/coaching adjustments smack in the middle of their events. This was never as much of a criticism of PRX as it was a criticism of Riot being run by a bunch of dipdix. They're complete buffoons. It irritates me that PRX did this, sure, but I can't blame them for it either. It's what any smart team would do if Riot is too dumb to be present in their own pro scene/at events to catch things like this.

There's a reason this game is tanking with it's player base and viewership, and if you think that's got something to do with Riot doing a GOOD job managing things in the background of their game then we're not paying any real attention at all.

Doesn't matter, "bruh". GGWP and grats to PRX on another international championship. I didn't say mini's the only reason that PRX are "here in the first place". PRX is a previous international championship winning team, and that's very recent. They certainly deserve to "be here", but that doesn't change the fact that they only beat G2 by a couple of rounds, and if you don't think mini made the difference then you're an actual, room temp IQ trog, my boy. Like I said, I'm sorry to ruin the narrative for you, but this one's already been decided in the script.

This is how the entire forum knows you didn't read dick. What I said was not in any way a defense of G2, it was a clear and glaring criticism of Riot and a complaint about PRX doing something that should be considered out of line in regards to the rules, but because riot is a pretty terrible company, it's allowed to fly when other, better FPS organizers don't let dumb shit like this happen. But please, talk more to me about how you missed the point completely, kidddddo :]

Whatever you say, Precious xD

1. you can't even argue that the events are bigger and better in CS, and part of the problem with that is that riot is run by greed obsessed cheap shitheads
2. I never said I wasn't rude, so why are you puzsy-gushing all over the place with this cute little response when you actually do know I have a point here, as you already admitted. I don't GAF about being rude AT ALL. If you can't handle it, don't engage.
3. These rules weren't abused by any other teams because the other teams have scruples and a little more class, from what it looks like, but whatever. It's not up to PRX, it's riot's responsibility, so I don't even blame PRX for this. I blame riot. I just wish some of the other teams would have leveled the playing field if riot are gonna be so dip-shit about their events and rules/standards
4. Better maps, that's not preference. Valorant maps are extraordinarily bland and one dimensional without much innovation at all. CS maps have been constantly sharpened and honed for over a decade now, so that's more just a product of time and energy being put into them than anything else. Riot should just put more into their maps, straight up, and that's all. There are only like three maps that have been introduced to cs in the last like five years, and even they've been worked on/moved in and out of the pool for the sake of honing and reworking MORE frequently than some of their older maps because they actually pay attention and know they need more work than the others.
5. I don't GAF about this account or my reputation on an internet site gaming forum... are you concerned about yours? "Get nice", my ass. You don't want to talk to me? Fine. "Get bent" is more like it.

No, I'm saying you shouldn't be able to do that in the middle of a fkn tournament. Other, far more established games like CS don't allow for that stupid shit, so why would Valorant unless they A) just don't give that much a shit about their game, or B) they don't give a shit if some teams get unfair competitive advantages, especially in regards to teams like PRX who are gonna ride the controlled narrative all the way to the finals off of a mini-champs boost. It's like a team buff/steroid. It's bullshit. No other team is doing that shit, and like I said, sorry to fk the script up for you and ruin the "surprise", but it's not a surprise anymore.

PRX international champs. Grats to them

reply 2: Or did you not know that I was already talking about this a few hours ago? Read the thread, ffs...

Jeez, it's almost like mini... gave them... the edge... to... pull this one out... and... jeezums... maybe if... mini hadn't been there... THEY WOULD NOT HAVE WON THE FKNG GAME... YA KNOW...? It's almost as if that was the damn... POINT... I WAS TRYING TO MAKE... IN THE FIRST PLACE...?

holy hell, you're thick.

No, we were talking about mini when it was still 0-0... I could give a fuck about the score-line, PRX still won...

soooooooooooooooooo... what's YOUR point? Oh, you don't have one. Got it.

PRX Stans get whatever they want, but because G2 is literally everyone's "Darth Vader" team, EVERYONE and their mother would be BITCHING them out if they pulled some bullshit like that.

Like I said, this was the plan all along. PRX as a team can do whatever they want to including bringing in coaches late and whatever else. Don't care if he's assisted them "a bit over the course of the year", because he wasn't listed in staff until very recently, so this was always going to be subject to criticism, and rightly so.

PRX wins another international tournament. Grats to PRX. Sorry to spoil the narrative, but the script may as well be laying on the castor desk.

Well no fkn shit, do you honestly think I said a word of what I said without being fully aware of that...? Wow, please, "stand and deliver". "Oh captain, my captain", what profound words you've said. I went into this full-send knowing that my comments were going to get completely torpedoed, you putrid dildo xD

The point is that he hasn't... been coaching them full time... how did you miss that part? He was brought in to give them a tournament edge against every other team... an edge that no other team got...

I know if I were at an international championship event I'd probably be pretty happy to have one of the winnigest coaches in EMEA history join the squad to give us... I dunno... A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE...? DUH? Are you not paying attention or did you only read like three sentences like I expect you did?

SM MF D, B :]

No one cares what your favorite teams are or which game you prefer. I'm spitting facts in your face, and if you don't like that, IDGAF

CS is a 10x bigger game than Valorant and it always will be, and it's partly because of dumb sht like this. There is a very good reason that CS event organizers don't allow dumb sht like this to happen in their events, and it's for exactly these reasons. PRX imported the "strategic edge" and I can't wait to see them win the tournament so they can have their asterisks championship. Not gonna bother me one bit, in fact I'd be thrilled. It would just prove my point

I don't give a shit how many PRX stans this insults and incenses. This importing in one of THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, if not THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, coaches in EMEA history for some "fresh strats/looks" is exactly the kind of shit that Riot allows some teams to do that ruins the reputation of their game. Shit like this doesn't just happen in fkn CS, and that's why it'll always be the better FPS, and it's no surprise to me that Valorant's numbers are dying. Importing Mini is literally a fkn cheat code, dude, and if they win this tournament it's gonna be an extremely controversial win with the biggest set of asterisks you have ever seen. Riot just doesn't pay attention, or perhaps they just don't give a shit that some teams have unfair advantages, but there's a reason cs has been at the tip-top for 20 years with exception to short stints of success with Halo/COD and other shit like that.

"In official Counter-Strike tournaments, a team generally cannot bring in a new coach in the middle of an event. Rosters, including the designated coach, are locked once the event begins. Tournament organizers have strict rules regarding roster changes to ensure fair play and competitive integrity" - Meaning that the only exception would be if their coach LITERALLY came ill or was injured or had some serious, life dramatic event, then maybe in a case like this yeah, of course cs organizers would let a team sub in another coach. Other than that, though, absolutely not. Same with rostered players.

CS:

• better maps
• easier meta management because characters aren't insanely op ever, all because all players function with the same potential utility assuming they have the econ for it
• stricter expectations for team management and adherence to tournament rules
• WAYYY better, WAYYYYYYYY bigger events which actually fill out stadiums, not little "venues" of like 3k or sometimes less
• way better color commentary and shout casting(no offense to Bren and Sideshow, they're great, but... everyone else is kind of a joke comparatively)
• way bigger, more energized community(SOMEHOW, despite that game being around for almost a quarter of a century and Valorant being "the new flavor" of FPS)
• WAYYYY better PCs that event organizers ACTUALLY spend money
• WAYYYY better event management and far less tech issues/tech pauses
• WAYYYY better sponsors, tech teams, management and fan interaction, although riot might be better with obtaining interviews more frequently from players/coaches(maybe)?

Literally the only thing that Valorant EVER gave cs is the "hey, let's drop this shit from 30 round sets to 24, cuz 30 is kinda insane" - Oh, thanks riot. Yet riot got literally everything else from cs(obviously), with the exception of singular, character abilities, which in turn really just makes their attempts to balance meta a constant headache for riot themselves.

The ONLY real innovation that riot made which cs can't match is unique character to character utility, and still I've always hated that because it gives distinct advantages to some players in certain situations. Heaven forbid the most flatfooted characters in the game like Cypher or Killjoy get caught in a 1v1 against raze who just picked up ult... GUESS WHO'S GONNA LOSE? Yeah, tough one.

And now we've got teams shitting all over the rest of the tournament with what should be seen as clear disrespect and rule breaking by importing one of the best of the best to help them through playoffs which, let's be honest, they're a previous AND VERY recent international championship team... SO... WHY do they need or deserve the help in the fkn first place? Wtf?

BS IMO. Having a sub check in for you is one thing, because that's an obvious "de-leveling" for a roster that's gotten used to working with a full 5 who can't be at an event together because of health or visa sht, but bringing in a coach to BROADEN a team's potential and scope of meta understanding in the middle of an event? Yeah, fk off on that. And before you PRX "Kings" come through with the criticism, I'll say this all important TRUTH-FACT to smear the hypocrisy in your faces early: If Mini had shown up to this tournament as the playoffs are just starting and threw on a G2 shirt instead of a PRX shirt and that was your FIRST playoff round game, you best BELIEVE about 50% of you would be bitching about it all over these threads, so I'm fully resolute that I've got every right to point this out and take my shots. And if you can't handle the shade or the truth, don't import literally one of the best coaches of all time in this game and expect no one to take issue. It's straight garbage, and a lot of people in these comments are gonna know I'm right. I could not GAF if you don't want to see it because it's just the truth. So go on then. BRING THE HEAT. I don't care if I'm downvoted to -1,000,000 because that'll literally just confirm it for me. Just know, as hard as you smash that negative symbol/dash, you're doing it in hypocrisy.

Regardless, hope the rest of the event is fun despite the PRX discrepancies

I'm happy to perpetually shit on a weird little cock-n-balls like you, though. The weird thing is how disruptive you're wanting to or determined to be since your irrelevant team didn't even make it to the event. It's almost like since your team sucks and didn't qualify you're just THAT bored and that much of a loser that you're going to just waste away in these comments because you're mad and sad about it. xD

No one fucking cares what your first language is you blithering idiot, lol.

If you're gonna talk shit in English, learn it. If you don't show it, shut your fuckugly face. :P

"lean a fucking flags" what a fucking retarded little rat shit you are. xD

this one?

" "easily" lol "

Yeah, I'm supper pissed right there. I can totally see what you mean.

His team is at Bangkok. Where's yours?

Coming from the one person in the comments who has easily been the biggest, most obnoxious, needlessly shitty and childish cunt by far. Your team's not at the event you autism-suffering dipshit. You possess the IQ of a stick of butter, you walking, talking dildo of a human being. Also, learn to fucking spell you uneducated piece of trash. It's embarrassing just to sit here watching you try to communicate with actual human beings.

Your mom's personal; collection wasn't enough, huh ya little creepo? I guess if she's a dog it might not have the desired effect, though, even for an incestuous frog like you. :]

I'm not one, so why are you replying to me you tizmist? Your team's not even at the event. Go cum in your hand to your mom's old pornos xD