How did they flop after wards compared to all the other champs teams. They went on to win their 4th regional title and 3rd at masters

Also a game changers title. Which is international

how is winning china all year doing nothing?

damn but now gentle mates got their spot back after not making playoffs either

Arent they supposed to be competing in Americas Ascension. Where did they go?

Damn i thought they were from SF because of the SF shock.

true. Still a majority of winner dont even win their region going into the tournament

i would like to see how you apply your context and analyze who you think is the greatest team of all time.

all the regions are equal what do you mean. Its not the same as the difference between masters lock/in and champs. As for your placements arguement. You rather have random placements than an actual trophies

so if regional wins dont matter than its just a tie between all the champs winners

why do their regional wins not matter. riot provides the same prizes

EDG has champs. EDG has the most regional wins of all time. EDG is like MJ they dont lose grand finals. Their region is no less or more than any other region. if it was riot would not provide the same amount of qualification spots

In the lebron vs mj debate people like to argue MJ because he has a perfect track record in the nba finals same thing with EDG

it doesnt make their regional wins any less than the other regions. riot gives their region the same amount of spots as every other region

EDG hasnt even been around for half of valorants history and theyve achieved more than what fnatic has done

even if edward doesnt game anymore, we will have to wait for a team to top their achievements.

You didn't even say a reason for why fnatic is greater than EDG

You cant down play EDG regional wins. Riot holds it to the same as all the other regions. If there region was truelly worse than they would offer less spots from their region at the internationals. EDG has never lost a final. EDG has champs. Teams with multiple international wins dont have a champs. Teams with champs currently dont have as many regional wins as edg. EDG is the greatest team in valorant currently

Why would we not hold it to the same level. Riot holds it to the same level.

EDG are like the michael jordan of this sport. Never lost a grand final
Has a champs win. All the other champs winners dont have as many regional wins. All the multiple time international winners dont have a champs win.

Has never lost a grand final like michael jordan
has won champs. Teams with multiple international wins dont have champs and teams with champs dont have as many regional wins.
Most regional wins of any team ever

out of the teams listed EDG are the greatest. 1 champs and has the most regional trophies of any team. EDG is like Michael Jordan. Has never lost a final

back to back game changers championship wins. 2nd at the only other game changers tournament. Dominant in region and internationally

i believe the fifth would be johnqt as igl and let verno frag out

https://www.vlr.gg/450165/nrg-benches-verno-and-bonkar-adds-brawk-and-mikes

what do you mean never got rid of him? verno and bonkar were both benched and replaced. Verno just got to go to another team while bonkar didnt and eventually got offered the spot back

FNS picked up verno in the first place. I dont think there is any bad blood there

yea but bonkar was also kicked so....... FNS was also wrong

yes

they already have a regional

but if we look at actual wins. Sen has 3 masters and kick off. Which ties fnatic for 2 international wins and 2 regional wins

sen has 3 masters

masters

only org with a masters and champions so i can see it

Shopify rebellion?

I would also argue that SR is more consistent internationally and regionally. Also SEN tie them with total trophies. If we count the regional masters plus their 2 international masters and kickoff win

They are definitely in the lead for greatest team but like... you cant say most consistent team regionally with teams like G2, EDG, and PRX literally having more regional trophies than them

how so? has the same prize pool as a masters and is considered an S tier tournament
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/S-Tier_Tournaments

3 regional trophies and a 2nd place masters finish. How could you say more than 3 or 4 teams had a better year lol

SR, G2, GENG, PRX, SEN and EDG all very close to catching up. I would technically say that SEN have already tied FNATIC with 3 masters wins and kickoff win

GENG G2 EDG

They would. EDG would surpass them with 1 more win. EDG has 4 trophies from regionals. GENG would tie with 1 more win. G2 would also surpass them. They have GC championship and 3 regionals.

If we go by actual trophies GENG, PRX and EDG are all 1 international win away. PRX has 3 regional wins. EDG has the most regionals with 4. GENG tie fnatic with 2 regional.. G2 also a win away they have game changers and 3 regionals

https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Camden%23Daddy/performance?platform=pc&playlist=competitive&season=5adc33fa-4f30-2899-f131-6fba64c5dd3a

yea im a 17 time immortal.

i didn't like the song either when it dropped but i feel like ive been brainwashed into liking it since it plays everytime you open the client

i would argue that the rifle meta is boring when 10 players in the lobby buy it on rounds. we need the balance and x factor of a couple ops, judges, and odins thrown into the mix

that would never happen. It would make takes too hard. If the odin ever gets that strong i could agree to a nerf but everyone is already mad at having 1 or 2 odin on a buy right now.

Seems like everyone wants people to only be able to use pistols and rifles. I always hear people complain about odin, judge, and op. I find that boring and like the variety of viable weapons

why does something need to change?

A majority of championship teams peak at the right time. When was the last time we had a team even be the best in their own region and win a major. It was 2024 SEN madrid. We can't deny that NRG are the best team in the world right now.

Most major winning teams are not in form to win the toureny from the beginning. The common factor a majority of these major winning teams is that they progressively get better throughout the tournament and peak at the end to win. T1 and PRX some recent examples. NRG will fall into the same category