These are some of the players who have a strong argument for the GOAT title:
Aspas (1x champion, best player on that Loud roster)
Tenz (2x master winner, 1 mvp)
Chronicle (3x master winner, been to 4 international finals)
Less (1x champion, 1 mvp)
Carpe (2020 OWL Role Star)
Forsaken (3x international final appearance)
Saadhak (igl for the most accomplished org)
cNed (1x champion)
Sir_Johnny123 [#7]Chronicle is the most decorated player.
Chronicle doesn’t hold a candle to the other players on this list when it comes to actual talent
HenBabyH [#9]Chronicle doesn’t hold a candle to the other players on this list when it comes to actual talent
Goat title is very subjective. Mechanically he is not but you included all the trophy wins next to the name. So with the infomation you supplied it is hinting Chronicle is the goat.
As an individual overall Player. It is Aspas
Fayt [#16]You forgot that aspas won the first americas league last year.
nobody cares about regional tournaments
Sir_Johnny123 [#17]Goat title is very subjective. Mechanically he is not but you included all the trophy wins next to the name. So with the infomation you supplied it is hinting Chronicle is the goat.
As an individual overall Player. It is Aspas
you need to find the right balance between team success vs individual success, and i think Aspas has that perfect balance
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Gutssz [#23]vlr supportuyla konustum hesaba gıremıyordum sonra 2-3 bişi yazdım anlamadılar kara listeye alındım sanırım banlarlar beni yakında gorusurz, bu bir veda mesajıdır
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number1_cNed_fan [#25]dhsasdgkşdsashgkaslş oyle bisi olsa coktan banlamislardi oglum bisi olmazke
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Sir_Johnny123 [#17]Goat title is very subjective. Mechanically he is not but you included all the trophy wins next to the name. So with the infomation you supplied it is hinting Chronicle is the goat.
As an individual overall Player. It is Aspas
Sacy won the most important trophies of VCT, so by that logic he is the Goat
nah, Goat is always the best and most consistent player, and that is Aspas
A example is S1mple, he’s not the player that won most titles but he is the most consistent player that’s why he is considered the Goat of CS
Vexlic [#26]Obviously Chronicle
He plays multiple characters at a peak level regardless of the team he's in and actually has achievements
chr0nicle
Tryeue2 [#30]mako is always in his prime tf u on about
he’s gonna be 60 by the time Termi figures out what the hell he is doing
HenBabyH [#33]he’s gonna be 60 by the time Termi figures out what the hell he is doing
termi is doing well with the new roster tho? yall hate on him so much for no reason at all since we know that he is a good coach who had one bad year(2023-they still did decent but they did not meet expectations)
sn4ke_gg [#29]Sacy won the most important trophies of VCT, so by that logic he is the Goat
nah, Goat is always the best and most consistent player, and that is Aspas
A example is S1mple, he’s not the player that won most titles but he is the most consistent player that’s why he is considered the Goat of CS
Doesn't change the fact Chronicle is the only pro with 3 international trophies to his name
The average person only considers fraggers as Goats. Aspas is very deserving to that title i agree but i also weigh up the fact of support players.
Tryeue2 [#36]termi is doing well with the new roster tho? yall hate on him so much for no reason at all since we know that he is a good coach who had one bad year(2023-they still did decent but they did not meet expectations)
Are we watching the same game, this team has the firepower but has continually failed to get past 4th place
Tryeue2 [#36]termi is doing well with the new roster tho? yall hate on him so much for no reason at all since we know that he is a good coach who had one bad year(2023-they still did decent but they did not meet expectations)
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HenBabyH [#35]he won the champions mvp, i’m pretty sure
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics#MVP_of_Each_Event
also when did f0rsaken get another finals appearance
StutterSt3p [#34]I mean aspas is the best player or like the GOAT of VCT, but the GOAT of Valorant as a game is TenZ.
1 tournament performance when everyone was bad=GOAT OF VAL?
if so donk is the GOAT of CS as a whole, he put numbers that anyone never did against the most historical figures in the game in 1 tournament just like tenz
Sir_Johnny123 [#37]Doesn't change the fact Chronicle is the only pro with 3 international trophies to his name
The average person only considers fraggers as Goats. Aspas is very deserving to that title i agree but i also weigh up the fact of support players.
Even if he has 3 international trophies, he doesn’t have the main one, so even if we considered that argument to say who is the goat, he still wouldn’t be.
HenBabyH [#38]Are we watching the same game, this team has the firepower but has continually failed to get past 4th place
which coach do you think will push them over the line then?
Tryeue2 [#44]which coach do you think will push them over the line then?
this is a choking problem and i think drx can win something this year since their map pool is good
number1_cNed_fan [#25]dhsasdgkşdsashgkaslş oyle bisi olsa coktan banlamislardi oglum bisi olmazke
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sn4ke_gg [#43]Even if he has 3 international trophies, he doesn’t have the main one, so even if we considered that argument to say who is the goat, he still wouldn’t be.
Lock-in was harder than champs.
30 international Team > 12
Shouldn't have choked an 11-3 lead
teilwal [#41]https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics#MVP_of_Each_Event
also when did f0rsaken get another finals appearance
let’s not get bogged down on the details
Hyssopus1 [#42]1 tournament performance when everyone was bad=GOAT OF VAL?
if so donk is the GOAT of CS as a whole, he put numbers that anyone never did against the most historical figures in the game in 1 tournament just like tenz
It's really less to do with VCT and more to do with the fact that TenZ is what everyone thinks of when they think Valorant. He's the first radiant ever, first insane peformance ever, he's worked through bad teams and is still one of the best ITW.
aspas is a better player and he's the best VCT player we've ever seen fs, but he doesn't have nearly the same level of impact on the game as TenZ
StutterSt3p [#49]It's really less to do with VCT and more to do with the fact that TenZ is what everyone thinks of when they think Valorant. He's the first radiant ever, first insane peformance ever, he's worked through bad teams and is still one of the best ITW.
aspas is a better player and he's the best VCT player we've ever seen fs, but he doesn't have nearly the same level of impact on the game as TenZ
i will be sincere with you i think you guys only have this tenz image in NA, because i can show you the opinions of tenz in brazil/latam and we just consider him just another player, his prime is already past, and back in 2023 we called him washed, nobody here thinks of valorant and thinks of tenz
And just to add to this sentinels 2023 with Zekken,marved,tenz,sacy,pancada this insane roster didnt make playoffs was absurd to us and we hated him alot at that time because this was a super team back then, you could say that marved wasnt a true IGL but those 5 players should atleast make playoffs and you know who was the worst player by far on that roster.
Hyssopus1 [#52]i will be sincere with you i think you guys only have this tenz image in NA, because i can show you the opinions of tenz in brazil/latam and we just consider him just another player, his prime is already past, and back in 2023 we called him washed, nobody here thinks of valorant and thinks of tenz
And just to add to this sentinels 2023 with Zekken,marved,tenz,sacy,pancada this insane roster didnt make playoffs was absurd to us and we hated him alot at that time because this was a super team back then, you could say that marved wasnt a true IGL but those 5 players should atleast make playoffs and you know who was the worst player by far on that roster.
Yeah so maybe TenZ isn't as big in Brazil, but the point still stands. TenZ's influence goes beyond VCT, whereas I don't think aspas has as much influence in the Valorant community for those who don't watch VCT, except in maybe Brazil.
StutterSt3p [#54]Yeah so maybe TenZ isn't as big in Brazil, but the point still stands. TenZ's influence goes beyond VCT, whereas I don't think aspas has as much influence in the Valorant community for those who don't watch VCT, except in maybe Brazil.
just see every single thread VLR makes on a LEV game and what streamers all around the world says about him, go to youtube and see what the videos about him says, you know what kind of influence aspas have and you know its not even close.
dort [#14]why is tenz on this list
right, disrespectful to have him on the candidates list. he is undisputed.
Hyssopus1 [#52]i will be sincere with you i think you guys only have this tenz image in NA, because i can show you the opinions of tenz in brazil/latam and we just consider him just another player, his prime is already past, and back in 2023 we called him washed, nobody here thinks of valorant and thinks of tenz
And just to add to this sentinels 2023 with Zekken,marved,tenz,sacy,pancada this insane roster didnt make playoffs was absurd to us and we hated him alot at that time because this was a super team back then, you could say that marved wasnt a true IGL but those 5 players should atleast make playoffs and you know who was the worst player by far on that roster.
you can't deny TenZ being by far the most widely known and liked valorant player around the world.
Even if latam people might care more for aspas...
kaibe8 [#57]you can't deny TenZ being by far the most widely known and liked valorant player around the world.
Even if latam people might care more for aspas...
watch a video of zellsis playing against aspas that will tell you enough about him
Hyssopus1 [#55]just see every single thread VLR makes on a LEV game and what streamers all around the world says about him, go to youtube and see what the videos about him says, you know what kind of influence aspas have and you know its not even close.
Again, most of that is for people who follow VCT a decent amount. I'm referring to the people who play the game and who barely, if at all, watch VCT. Like, average people who hop on the game for like 2 hrs with their friends.
Tryeue2 [#50]no way you ping me and then ghost me lmfao
i accidentally sent a message twice, so i just edited it to that
StutterSt3p [#60]Again, most of that is for people who follow VCT a decent amount. I'm referring to the people who play the game and who barely, if at all, watch VCT. Like, average people who hop on the game for like 2 hrs with their friends.
well i can fix your sentence
"I mean aspas is the best player like the GOAT of VCT, but the most popular player of Valorant is TenZ."
Tryeue2 [#44]which coach do you think will push them over the line then?
good point, I’m just upset with the team as a whole I guess
Hyssopus1 [#64]well i can fix your sentence
"I mean aspas is the best player like the GOAT of VCT, but the most popular player of Valorant is TenZ."
Yeah, but phrasing it that why doesn't really highlight the impact he's had on the esport. He's obviously quite popular, but he also performed well in the esport and has returned to insane form, despite having a downturn in his career.
That's also something that's underrated about TenZ, he's gone through a lot as a player and as person, but he's continued to play, despite getting shitted on constantly by people who hate him because he's popular.
Again, I'm really not trying to downplay how good aspas is, but TenZ has drawn so much support to the esport, and tbh, he's probably the model player.
HenBabyH [#65]good point, I’m just upset with the team as a whole I guess
ive been very frustrated with the decisions the team's management has made i think however they have struck gold this time and i think with some slight refinement this team will be golden
StutterSt3p [#68]Yeah, but phrasing it that why doesn't really highlight the impact he's had on the esport. He's obviously quite popular, but he also performed well in the esport and has returned to insane form, despite having a downturn in his career.
That's also something that's underrated about TenZ, he's gone through a lot as a player and as person, but he's continued to play, despite getting shitted on constantly by people who hate him because he's popular.
Again, I'm really not trying to downplay how good aspas is, but TenZ has drawn so much support to the esport, and tbh, he's probably the model player.
to what player he would be a model bro? he was only good in 2021 for 2 years he didnt win a single thing in VCT, to any pro back in 2022 in NA the GOAT was EL DIABLO, 2023 the GOAT in NA was demon1, now in 2024 he won a masters finally but he is now on the verge of not even making playoffs.
you can say he is the most popular person of all time but the word GOAT he is not fit to be called that, every single esport in the world only uses the word GOAT for the best player of all time regardless of fame.
Hyssopus1 [#70]to what player he would be a model bro? he was only good in 2021 for 2 years he didnt win a single thing in VCT, to any pro back in 2022 in NA the GOAT was EL DIABLO, 2023 the GOAT in NA was demon1, now in 2024 he won a masters finally but he is now on the verge of not even making playoffs.
you can say he is the most popular person of all time but the word GOAT he is not fit to be called that, every single esport in the world only uses the word GOAT for the best player of all time regardless of fame.
Bro he's legit everything you could want in a player, I'm not even glazing.
He has insane talent
He's easy to work with
He's very humble
He's willing to flex
He's kept playing even though he's dealt with personal problems and massive amounts of hate, and that didn't stop him from being good again.
(and an added bonus, he brings popularity)
Sir_Johnny123 [#47]Lock-in was harder than champs.
30 international Team > 12Shouldn't have choked an 11-3 lead
surely he could've won a easier tournamet "champions" then
instead of losing twice to loud
StutterSt3p [#71]Bro he's legit everything you could want in a player, I'm not even glazing.
He has insane talent
He's easy to work with
He's very humble
He's willing to flex
He's kept playing even though he's dealt with personal problems and massive amounts of hate, and that didn't stop him from being good again.
(and an added bonus, he brings popularity)
https://www.vlr.gg/183781/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2
https://www.vlr.gg/183787/leviat-n-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/183814/kr-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w7
https://www.vlr.gg/232732/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubsf
"the perfect player" who was underperforming in a superteam with marved as the 6 man, sentinels didnt get playoffs because of him, you just dont wanna see the true but thats ok, you will see with time lets give 2 years from now on, who will be the GOAT.
Hyssopus1 [#74]https://www.vlr.gg/183781/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2
https://www.vlr.gg/183787/leviat-n-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/183814/kr-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w7
https://www.vlr.gg/232732/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubsf"the perfect player" who was underperforming in a superteam with marved as the 6 man, sentinels didnt get playoffs because of him, you just dont wanna see the true but thats ok, you will see with time lets give 2 years from now on, who will be the GOAT.
Bro I know about this lmao, sometimes players play bad man. It doesn't mean that they're bad. He was transitioning to the flex role, plus that roster last year was a mess. That shit was not a super team. Also, it was not TenZ's fault, although he wasn't helping fs.
Once he switched to the flex role he started playing a lot better, and tbh, if SEN had an actual IGL for LCQ they probably would have done better.
Also, I said a model, not a perfect player. No player is going to be perfect.
StutterSt3p [#75]Bro I know about this lmao, sometimes players play bad man. It doesn't mean that they're bad. He was transitioning to the flex role, plus that roster last year was a mess. That shit was not a super team. Also, it was not TenZ's fault, although he wasn't helping fs.
Once he switched to the flex role he started playing a lot better, and tbh, if SEN had an actual IGL for LCQ they probably would have done better.
Also, I said a model, not a perfect player. No player is going to be perfect.
he truly is your idol
Sir_Johnny123 [#47]Lock-in was harder than champs.
30 international Team > 12Shouldn't have choked an 11-3 lead
no way bro said lock in was harder than champs 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hyssopus1 [#76]he truly is your idol
I mean if was talented enough to go pro, he's one of the players I'd want to model myself after fs. There are other players worthy of looking up to though, he's not that only one lol.
HenBabyH [#18]nobody cares about regional tournaments
I care, doesnt matter for you but it was a accomplishment because its was an union of regions and it was the first ever.
Hyssopus1 [#58]watch a video of zellsis playing against aspas that will tell you enough about him
in what way is that related to popularity?
no one is arguing with the fact that aspas is probably the best player rn (and possibly of all time),but he is not the most famous one!
kaibe8 [#81]in what way is that related to popularity?
no one is arguing with the fact that aspas is probably the best player rn (and possibly of all time),but he is not the most famous one!
that was my argument the entire time
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Personally id like to differentiate between GOAT (igl) and GOAT (player)
Goat (IGL) is a debate between FNS and saad, legit no other real argument. If you say boaster look at the man when he doesnt have mini coaching 💀
Goat (player) has a few options from ur list and 1 more
Aspas: consistently mechanically amazing, great placements in tournaments, great at his role, and great even when with different teams/different players. Really no need to go in depth
Yay: idgaf what you think of him, and even though he has fallen off recently, the OAT in goat means OF ALL TIME. Regardless of opinion it is simply the truth, the fact of the matter, that yay was HIM during the chamber era of valorant. During his peak it was nothing but absolute nukes of performances, only RARELY doing poorly or getting diffed, all over the period of a TON of matches since the team usually ran deep in tournaments
TenZ: Similar situation as Yay but with (surprisingly) less contrarians/haters. Also the added bonus of doing really well rn (even tho there was a big period of dog performances between now and the first masters win). Like yay, in his era, TenZ was him. simple as 👍. issue is that tenz era of goat tier performances, was a lot shorter than Yays or aspas’s
Less isnt an option YET i think, he needs a bit longer to cook imo idk. Def could be argued to be goat though in the future
Now i will reject other ones you listed as goat contenders:
cNed: low-key a fluke champs run, diet Yay (except neither of them have been on a diet i think), he wants to be nats so bad with his prism op, fell off HARD with jett nerf, and was never really THAT good with rifles/pistols/jett knives, good sure but nowhere near yay tenz or aspas in their primes.
Chronicle: good, consistent, multiple nationals wins, yes, good util, yes, smartish player, yes, but never stand-out performances, never hard carry like yay/tenz/aspas (or even Less), just good, maybe great, but not goat. Just does his job consistently at an above average level, but, never more than that
Forsaken: kinda like chronicle but better aim and flashier but slightly “dumber” (riskier) but thats also just apac. Tbh maybe all he needs is one or two international lan wins
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