I think it's time we had a real conversation about Laz when he's not on chamber...

Been carrying Zeta on his back for a while now.

He never over ate. Stop fat shaming

clown shit imo. Victor and crashies clear him. EG were NOTHING until demon1 joined. Even before franchising.

5th at best

rare bbsk W

bro snuck in Liquid.

W friend. he needs it

Half the people on VLR don't even know who the fuck coldzera is. get off your high horse.

L tweet imo

Because EMEA sucked ass last year, only had 1 good team. So looking top 2 / top 3 in the region gassed idiots up into thinking they were some kind of contenders.

MFs looked at me crazy when I said they were too high on FUT.

EMEA was DEAD last year, them looking like a top 2/3 team in the region meant fuck all when only Fnatic was good.

So-so team still.

has actually won matches on LAN

Is there a player who has failed more at LANS than neth?

DFM could go winless 2 seasons in a row and that is impressive

Blind hopium, but let's go king

Explain the use of "unironically" in your sentence

dgzin played great last year

Furia worse than last season even though MWZERA is cooking every match.

Guess having DGZIN as duelist was better after all, since it allows some actual talent (mwzera) to back up the support side of things.

Mw cant do everything on his own.

LEV how many finals?

They be downvoting facts. Stand tall king

That's fair. But we haven't seen 2021 performances from the dude since, well, 2021.

Beautiful

Lakia. Ouchies.

I NEVER bought into the hype around this dude. I found it weird how casters and analysts were over emphasising his importance a few years back. but today has been an awful day for him.

Dude needs to step it up pronto

Yup

🥰🔫 healing energies

Is this making a crumble? If so what's under it?

Rather than looking at 1 specific team. I would look at the delta for each tournament, between the top teams and worst teams, and everything in between to decide how competitive each tournament was.

I'd agree with your remark about 2022 arguably being more competitive top to bottom than 2023, partially anyway. Alot changes from 1 event to another. Event or era weighting itself isn't the most important thing. If we measure round wins (the leading indicator) as a proportion to rounds played. This solves the new team / era issue.

The strength each era isn't opinionated. This can be measured by the numerical differences between teams performances (too and lowest placements) from each vct year to the next. I swear this isn't a personal attack. But if you had a better clue of how to approach this, you'd have factored that in 👍

First off, criticisms aside, I like what you're trying to build, and it's good that you're open to debate.

There is no knit picking going on. Based on your reply to my other comment above, I'm left trying to ascertain what your objective is in building this list. You've called it a top teams of all time list, but there are some big problems and inconsistencies with the logic you're using which makes the whole thing fall flat.

1. Cores: What is a team? as we know, teams keep changing. You have a more than 1 iterations of some teams (fnatic) that have undergone changes and only 1 of others that have also undergone changes in the same time period. Like drx, like kru. Very inconsistent and throws the list out of whack because the current edition of fnatic if based on results should be top 2 if we look at their performance Vs other teams at international events. But you've lumped them with the Enzo / mystic era just because the core is the same. As you've done with drx and kru who also had changes but kept the same core. Can you not see the problem with this?

What would make more sense if you treated each team as absolute / married to the org, and account for all their performances. Because obviously no one can be bothered to create an interstion of every single team.

2. Your weighting on longevity is arbitrary and has nothing to do with teams performance Vs each other. It would be better if you get rid of it and use a proportional approach that looks at performance or points per match played, subject to a reasonable minimum. This deals with any issues around new teams like 2023 EG not ranking high enough despite their performance and stats showing otherwise.

3. If the emphasis is on performance at these events. Kru qualifying to most shouldn't have them anywhere near liquid as they have qualified in from a worse region and performed worse at every international event, RELATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS / MATCHES played. When it comes to champs 21, as they both came 4th, that should be impetus to add a head to head weighting, if this is really going to be a comprehensive list.

Again, You mentioned it's not about how good a team is or a power ranking, what is it exactly? No need to reinvent the wheel on what a ranking system for a sport should be based on dude. Wins and losses relative to the matches they've played should be the driving force, but you seem too focused on placements, which is a bit silly because we have teams placing top 8 at LANs even though they won 0 games, at the international tournaments that you say you're only counting.

I could go on..

I just spent way too much time on this with my custom team, and won a fictional tournament haha. Nice work

Your emphasis on longevity is opinionated. How long team has been around for has no bearing on how good they are in the context of a ranking. You just decided this for yourself, and as a result, one of the best teams we've ever seen, in the era of the most competitive valorant are ranked below kru and liquid and a bunch of other teams they're clearly better than.

Bad methodology. Teams that have never won shit are ranked higher than newer teams that actually won stuff.

Using fnatic 2022 Copenhagen as the same fnatic in 2023 is also strange.

Old liquid and kru ranked near to each other when that iterstion of liquid played them at every tournament and destroyed them is also strange.

Edit: on second read through. This is really bad and I think you should stop (no offense).

There are so many statistical and logical flaws in this.

Eg the current champions (now defunct) are ranked below liquid and kru, simply because your weighting is on longevity.

Thanks Doc.

So just to confirm, how many mg of bleach should I be taking daily?

But they'll eat you and your kids 😭. Let me save your life damn it. Buy guns from me

Mindblowing, honestly

Mans said fuck reading and came up with his own story. 🤡

Hey doc, I wish ScreaM and Nivera were on a good team 😔

But you have monsters at every turn that will eat humans. Y'all need guns

Nothing childish about it. Who wouldn't want their hobby as a job?

would it be an upset?

I look at Liquid and think they can beat any team and also lose to any team haha

m-m-m-mmonster mid

#freesheydos

fastest way through the pain is straight through it. GO NEXT

Ready for some tech pauses and weird ass outfits 🥳

I mean if you just look at stats, they were both individually strong throughout the season, except for ScreaM when he was doing his initiator igl thing. When he was on duelist he was frying again.

They were both the best players on KC, but the system they championed so much made the whole team terrible. Both were solid players and still are. Only tricky thing is what team they end up in and what roles. I don't suspect they're that sought after which is a shame, because they are insanely skilled and have shown it plenty.

respect the honesty xD

Mans just rolled dice for EMEA group A

bit weird that you feel the need to shit on someone who left the scene almost a year ago. How's your day going?

beautiful, I love to see it!

best to not argue with retards who go off emotion and noise over facts.

retarded thread