1. LOCK//IN: Avg Placement with or w/o FNC: EMEA > APAC
   EMEA: FNC(1), NAVI(3), VIT(9), FUT(9), GIA(9), KC(9), KOI(17), TL(17), BBL(17), TH(17)
   APAC: DRX(3), TLN(5), TS(9), all 7 other APAC teams (17)
   .
   TOKYO: Avg Placement with or w/o FNC: EMEA > APAC
   (only top 3 teams from EMEA (since 4 teams attended from EMEA, but 3 from APAC))
   EMEA: FNC(1), TL(5), FUT(9)
   APAC: PRX(3), DRX(7), T1(9)
   .
   CHAMPS 23: Avg Placement with or w/o FNC: EMEA > APAC
   (only top 4 teams from EMEA (since 5 teams attended from EMEA, but 4 from APAC))
   EMEA: FNC(4), FUT(7), NAVI(9), GIA(9)
   APAC: PRX(3), DRX(5), T1(9), ZETA (13)

2. ????????? where

3. you were replying to my reply to #17, so you replied in the wrong place

4. it has only been 1 event so far in 2024, and AMERICAS was a 0 team region for LOCK//IN and Tokyo (half of 2023)

1. "if you exclude fnc from the picture" blud, if we removed PRX in 2023, asia would be nowhere near top 4, let alone removing EG (NA's best team, with their 2nd best losing to billibilli)
2. "top 4 at an international event TWICE from now until the start of 2022." FPX didnt attend Reykjavik 2022 because of war, FPX/NAVI made top 4 in Copenhagen, Champs 2022, and LOCK//IN, so realistically 4 times if you do not include the best team (FNC)
3. im talking about 2024 dumass. why do you think I included SEN???
4. Also yes, EMEA was a 1 team region in 2023, everyone agrees, but not in 2024

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(3/5) Vitality is half new (Runner Kicks Cender (new talent in 2023)
Also Sayf and Trexx are not bad players, so idk what ur on about
(4/5) KC is over half new (Marteen, N4rrate, Sh1n (new talent in 2023), tomaszy)
(5/5) TH is all new (benjy (new in 2023), boo (new in 2023), miniboo, riens, w00t)
Idc about EMEA's new talent/old talent tho.

APAC is the worst region out of AMERICAS/EMEA/APAC and you cannot argue them being > EMEA at all (but you can believe what you want)

W Mans

woah woah
You cant talk about 2022 tf dawg
ukr-rus war happened and FPX didnt even attend Reykjavik 2022, let alone the fact that FNC had 2 subs

There is no argument that should be against EMEA being the clearly best region in 2021 and EMEA = AMERICAS as best regions in 2022.

You can talk about 2023-2024/post-franchising
EMEA: 4
APAC: 5

not NA...It is Americas

APAC is just top heavy (PRX GENG)
the rest of the region is ass

same with AMERICAS
only great/god teams are NRG, SEN, and LOUD (who are looking a bit mid rn)
everyone else in AMERICAS is mid asf

the concept doesnt apply to asian teams
APAC/Asia is just way behind in CSGO & Valorant, not much you can change about that.

The scenario above was just explaining how EMEA (who was better than Americas before by a lot) has gotten worse than Americas

i said "basically"

Look at heretics, vitality, karmine corp
basically all new squads

apac is the worst region (if you dont include china)

EMEA has shit on APAC despite APAC being carried by PRX and DRX 1 team runs

(copy pasted btw)
EMEA vs KR
TOP 4 PLACEMENTS: EMEA 14 : KR 4
SERIES: EMEA 9 : KR 8

EMEA vs JP
TOP 4 PLACEMENTS: EMEA 14 : JP 1
SERIES: EMEA 6 : JP 2

EMEA vs CN
TOP 4 PLACEMENTS: EMEA 14 : CN 0
SERIES: EMEA 6 : CN 3

EMEA vs APAC
TOP 4 PLACEMENTS: EMEA 14 : APAC 5
SERIES: EMEA 13 : APAC 7

yes they have

think about it like this
imma give an example scenario:

There are 10 God Tier players in EMEA.
There are 50 tier 1 players in EMEA
franchise slots announced in 2023: 10
each of the 10 god players is put into 1 of the 10 teams (talent is more spread out)

There are 10 God Tier players in NA.
There are 50 tier 1 players in NA
franchise slots announced in 2022: 5
there are 2 god players in each of the 5 teams (talent is more condensed, and teams are better than if talent were spread out)

so yes, Emea has been negatively effected by franchising

answer

biased

SEN NRG are better (like higher peak)
but all of them are in S

EMEA:
S: NAVI TH KC VIT FUT
A: M8
B: FNC
C: TL
D: GX KOI BBL

AMERICAS:
S: SEN NRG LOUD
A: G2 100T
B: MIBR KRU
C: C9 LEV
D: EG FURIA

mods

they are

bump2

listen to Bren and Sideshow review on them
they are actually back no coping this time.

TH NAVI guaranteed
3rd: FNC/FUT/KC

cope

only NRG SEN LOUD are good in americas
everyone else is average

bump

1st: GENG
2nd: PRX
3rd: DRX
4th: RRQ
5th/6th: TS and DFM
7th/8th: T1 and ZETA
9th: TLN
10th: BLD
11th: GE

HOW TF is TS that low???????
u guys are fkn stupid

I watch ur region and they should be way higher

switch TH and KC
TH only lost that finals to KC, but TH look better everywhere else
swap FUT and VIT (VIT looked shaky first week)

you are making multiple mistakes here:
S: NRG, SEN | TH, KC, NAVI | PRX, GENG
A: LOUD, 100T | FNC, FUT, VIT, M8 | DRX
B: C9, MIBR, G2, KRU, LEV | | RRQ, TS, DFM, T1, TLN
C: | TL | ZETA
D: EG, FUR | KOI, GX, BBL | BLD, GE

you are underrating teams, overrating teams, and missing teams (RRQ)

take my list
it is better

the reason why the guy that commed "you have ult" says the comm is because he wants to remind the Clove that they can play around their revive ult and that the Clove can adjust how they will play in the round accordingly, instead of playing it the usual way

gambit 2021 and optic 2022 and fnc 2023 u dumass

optic got 1st, 3rd, and 2nd (consistently top 3 and champs finalist)
while LOUD got 2nd, then flopped at Copenhagen by going 0-2 (getting 11th/12th place), and then won champs (1st) cuz they saved strats at Copenhagen...

do u know how big of an accomplishment FNC has?
"it is easier to get to the top, then to maintain your position at the top"
and FNC is the only team to ever maintain their position at the top and SHIT on everyone

ur biased asfuck and dont realize how they shit on everyone and were the first team ever to maintain their position at the top

ur dum asfuck
humble yourself and try to understand the game instead of having an ego

it could be RRQ or DFM ig, but everyone else looks worse than DRX

emea: navi th kc

americas: sen nrg loud

pacific: prx geng drx

china: 3 Chinese Teams

Grouped: 3 Chinese Teams, LOUD (always go 0-2 on the 2nd tournament of the year (Copenhagen and Tokyo for example))

7th/8th: DRX, KC

5th/6th: SEN, GENG

4th: PRX

3rd: TH

1st and 2nd: between NAVI & NRG

PACIFIC has been wayyyyyyyyyy more entertaining in this stage than EMEA and AMERICAS

and there are still so many close match-ups to come

since start of franchising:

Series:
0

Maps:
1 against GENG
2 against T1

its a bait bro
relax

African players with trophies: 2 (johnqT and jawgemo lmfao)
APAC players with trophies: none

this is actually sad

PRX = GENG > T1 > RRQ = DRX > TS > ZETA > trash tln ge bld dfm

CNED and STARXO in Tier 1 still
Zeek would be in Tier 1 if he wasnt toxic
Bonecold retired
Kiles was the lucky one (but he is farming in Tier 2 ig)

remember, Bonecold is the #1 most deserved player of his trophy in Valorant. He and coach NBS were able to take 4 bots to a champions win. No other igl + coach could do that.

https://www.vlr.gg/19089/sentinels-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-reykjavik-main-event-gf/?game=34299&tab=overview

14-12, 16-14, 13-11
just to name 1

yes, everyone can agree that Gambit shouldve won champs
but unluckily they didnt, but that doesnt mean that acend fluked

ACEND DIDNT FLUKE
STOP SPREADING BIASED NA PROPAGANDA MISINFORMATION

W
you are now my favorite user

only change is that Copenhagen 2022 was most fun to watch (I am genuinely not being biased just cause FPX(EU)/NAVI won the tournament)
it actually had too much chaos, too many upsets, and too many absurd clutches

fine.

ight fine

dumass
are you illiterate or what

the guy i was replying to thought that NAVI had close maps to the bad teams and not FNC

higher average placement including all events (even the 11th place they got since they had 2 subs in M1 Reykjavik 2022)

Teams worthy of respect in random order:
FNATIC, FPX/NAVI, TL, TH, FUT, GIANTS, KC - GAMBIT, ACEND, G2(EU), GUILD
LOUD, KRU, LEVIATAN, NV/OPTC/NRG, SEN, EG, 100T, G2(NA)/TGRD, C9 - XSET
VS/DRX, GENG, PRX, T1, X10/XIA/TLN, TS
EDG

TOP 28 TEAMS OF ALL TIME

1. SUMNFC/FNC
2. LOUD
3. NV/OPTC/NRG
4. PRX
5. FPX(EU)/NAVI
6. GAMBIT/M3C
7. SEN
8. ACEND
9. EG
10. VS/DRX
11. GENG
12. TL
13. TH
14. KRU
15. FUT
16. 100T
17. G2(EU)
18. LEVIATAN
19. X10/XIA/TLN
20. G2(NA)/TGRD
21. GUILD
22. XSET
23. T1
24. EDG
25. TS
26. C9
27. GIANTS/GX
28. KC

Edits:

against FNC they had 2 close maps

they shit on lev ts and kru bro (it wasnt like they were struggling or anything)
https://www.vlr.gg/167363/natus-vincere-vs-kr-esports-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-ro16
https://www.vlr.gg/167370/team-secret-vs-natus-vincere-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-qf
https://www.vlr.gg/167374/natus-vincere-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-sf
all 2-0s

13-5, 13-10, 13-8, 13-4, 13-10, 13-2

NAVI > ASE (random ass chinese team that snuck in to the event)
NAVI > NRG (billibilli) & GIANTS & T1 (only if you watched the games, you would know)

stop making clueless assumptions

read #41

11-13 on 2 maps
4-13 loss on 1 map

they had 2 close maps
stop spreading misinformation

bro
Champs 2022: they beat XSET in the rematch? (plus 5th 6th 7th 8th were FNC XSET LEV TL), so FPX was definitely 4th there and that was deserved.
LockIn I guess good argument, (but they were still top 5 (only NRG was better than them possibly))
Tokyo: I agree they shit the bed
Champs 2023:
(they did not get exposed by LOUD and DRX : look at scorelines:
https://www.vlr.gg/247102/natus-vincere-vs-drx-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-winners-d 13-15, 13-9, 12-14
https://www.vlr.gg/247104/natus-vincere-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-decider-d 13-11, 11-13, 11-13
)

mb i read "years"

but why tf u only counting 2022
thas a brainded take

ur stupid
stfu

Ethan made Berlin 2021 with 100T and they got 3rd/4th and beat Gambit (the winners of the event) once with 100T having a 3-11 comeback on them