exactly, they can be bullied to fix it

How many negative comments before they revert some of these changes? They release these videos today after lots of speculation and worry about the changes even from Mini and Anderzz. Then this entire shit storm of community reaction. How long do we need to bully them before they cave? They posted their clips and just left the convo entirely where are the dev keyboard warriors or apologists?

The Reynatard's parent's credit card last actual revenue source for Riot games big F in the chat for anyone playing this game who isn't a toxic piece of shit

LMAO yep and mollies spread and are way scarier than Valo

Tell me how they fixed the game when they haven't touched the 4 most played ranked agents and left most of the duelists unchanged? Idk what you anti-doomers are talking about nobody asked for these specific changes and anyone with a brain could tell you Reyna, Jett, Clove, Chamber are 90% ranked games. This update is dumb as hell and every person with the slightest bit of intelligence to how this game works is complaining about most of the changes aside from maps and ult size.

The fact that these agents specifically are not touched tells you these fucking devs don't play ranked

The devs dont play the game. Stealing from Lothar but Jett, Clove, and Reyna zero changes yet.... THE DEVS DO NOT PLAY THE GAME!!!!!

Ik and the map updates are lowk fine. I think there is an argument for standardization ie: same stun or flash duration, but the rest of it the main part of the changes are stupid af.

YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING ACOUSTIC AND RESTARTED THERE IS NO WAY OML THE MORE VIDEOS COME OUT THE MORE BAD SHIT I FIND JFC STOP

Ok I can accept that the community hates it and I am in the minority, but removing content is just lame. They should have a map select for at least unrated like CS, that way I can still queue breeze with the 9 other ppl that like it. Generally though we should not argue to full remove content from the game, nerfs or removing from comp absolutely go off.

Same with gamemodes keep them in, I like whimsy and fun

If they just said sike right now that would be the best outcome

Ok yes in a vacuum there is counter play to his abilities but you are missing the point I first laid out. The way he changes defaults before the patch was substantial. Global range sieze alarm bot you can use for lineups... 2 teleports with similar range to Chamber double anchors even though yes not a true untrade-ability mechanic in the open, but that isn't how biyou use it... His E ability and Ult I am willing to wait and see but you cannot tell me a rechargeable ability that deletes other abilities will be fun to interact with, no matter how many counters there are.

yeah and the counter play to this util vs other senti util is the point you are missing. The vyse wall is really the only near comparison but with Yoru it is easy to bait. It is loud yes but you can put it above the choke point where you cant shoot it. Not to mention his tps and sieze are great abilities themselves with tons of advantages over the other sentis.

Idk what to tell you then cause almost every other meta has been worse in recent times. The Tejo/Breach, Neon, and the few weeks of broken Iso were all way more oppressive. Not to mention in ranked you play against Jett/Neon, Reyna, Chamber, Smoker, and one Initiator in damn near every game. None of the duelists aside from Yoru were touched so idk what oppressive util you think you are deleting with this patch.

he is broken in the way he changes defaults and how you address the site, sure his util is new and maybe there is counter play but he is "game breaking" by that definition of changing the standard on any map he is in. It is like when they first added Tejo, but worse IMO cause this agent is Anti-push/anti fun and at least Tejo was used to initiate. The main problem is the util but the agent aint good either

The game was in its best spot ever and the way to make it better according to this dev team is to change everything? Idk what they are smoking but I need some to ever queue this dumb game again.

Hey Grok how do we ruin our game? Oh add a dipshit broken agent and change the core identity of utility while not fixing a single map. I cannot wait for the fallout from this, please god let there be mass lay-offs, we need some new ideas for this game. Genuinely thanks for the first couple years I guess and wow we finally got the replay system, but it is time for these geriatric poo brain devs to be put out to pasture.

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RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRR BACK TO VCT VAMOS RAWRRRRRRRRRR

gotta be bait EG wouldnt even pay for the plane ticket

Lowk wouldn't be mad if they fed Neon and Reyna some cheeseburgers

Respectfully im keeping the Katos

Is that the Drizzy money?

The 2023 EG villain run was so fun to watch. Ppl were so mad that EG were beating their team lol

Smells like 2024 NRG

Ppl love to glaze

"Seems fine" vs is fine is gonna be a chasm. Even with increasing CDs it ruins the round dynamic as explained by coaches much smarter than me. Even from a non-expert perspective it doesn't seem like this will have a 1:1 effect on reducing util spam. If anything IMO you are gonna greed the rechargeables more and combo them with your purchased utility too instead of spreading it out across the round.

Alright so Riot is gonna completely screw the game up even beyond Veto come Monday with the utility timer announcement (check dev replies to PRX/FNC Mini tweet). G2 Anderzz also explains it well with the idea of round phases and their typical utility investment, as well as the counterplay/interaction issue. Complaining is the first step but I would like to see coaches like these offer some more content ideas to the devs. I also think that doing that in the public eye where the community can be critical of things in the development process, rather than behind closed doors will lead to a healthier state of the agents/game (Style Dynamics update video please, spill some more sauce this time). The community overreacts very easily, utility spam was especially an issue during the Tejo meta, but there is no need for a trophy system character and global utility reduction in the same month after Tejo has already had his cooldown removed (dumb af RIP Skye). If the community was aware of Veto during the height of the Tejo meta we would not have gotten as much overreaction, because people would be able to look ahead. Now that doesn't mean that every issue is fixed by being open, but this specific example of Tejo and Veto would have been avoided.

One final problem that RIOT and the community need to recognize is the two competing ideas we seem to recycle every few months: 1.The game will feel stale, so a big change or addition is made to the meta to spice things up 2. The casual non-daily player base often does not like meta changes that completely shift the approach to the game or add some new somewhat confusing effect (Vyse, Tejo, Waylay, now Veto). These two ideas do not sit well with each other and very rarely are the devs able to balance them.

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See I dislike the rotates on Breeze but the map is super fun to look at and if it is never going to be added back to comp we need a new beach map. Also the way mid works on Breeze improves rotates IMO vs Abyss or Corrode but still not a fan of running simulator.

POV you are G2 and you are doing map ban against DRX in Champs elim. It is your 2nd ban and the remaining maps are Corrode, Ascent, and Bind. What map do you get rid of?

Americas: G2/C9 I can't pick one. I want C9 to qual for an intl and I want G2 to win one
EMEA: Gentle Mates
APAC: Boom Esports
CN: MY GOATS DRAGON RANGER GAMING

Yep Sliggy said we are paying for the Tejo overreaction now and I couldn't agree more

Yeah its already cooked with Veto but one agent is easier to convince these idiots to fix instead of reverting all the E abilities cd or cd timers

Literally not a single player or pro is looking forward to your bullshit announcement on Monday. You have 5 days to cancel whatever BS you have planned, ask any player, coach, or pro this is the best meta in a long time and you just put us through the idiocy that was +broken ass Tejo then removing the cooldown of a 2nd initiator changing the entire meta you just made(Skye still dead af btw). You have literally stumbled onto this good meta by chance you absolute fucking melons and your first change after champs is this broken ahh agent, global utility reduction, and removing 2 reliable quality maps Lotus and the somewhat stale Ascent.

See my favorite CS maps are Overpass and Nuke which are more colorful but even Nuke has a lot of silver/white/light grey. I am not saying I want to play in a tye-dye map (in comp that sounds super fun in casual) but in a game like Valo I think Corrode misses the mark style wise. I wish they made it more like a broken castle, instead of genuinely whatever theme they are trying to make. Also just from the map telling a thematic story this one is super weak IMO compared to Bind, Lotus, Ascent, even other maps I don't love like Abyss just add more to the game and feel like they belong. Main issue is the long rotates oml it is so boring when a solid 30+ seconds of each round can be running back and forth.

Insane long rotates, every single item is grey, A site elbow layout just sucks IMO (same with Sunset A), not a ton of verticality. These are the reasons I think it is bottom 3 maps in the game but I understand if some people have a different opinion. Objectively thought I think the rotates and everything being grey should stop you from describing the map as "great".

Yep 1 map change at the end of each masters. No double map changes, no map changes in-between normal season and quals, no map changes between quals and international events. Same with meta changes, you play in the same meta to qualify for a international tournament as the tournament itself. Unless something is genuinely cancer, but honestly we got to just stop adding cancer shit to the game and have a better filter on releases. Tejo, Corrode, Veto do one more dumbass thing Riot and your player base is GONE.

This is unfortunately true... but I wouldn't dismiss OP theory either. Why test 3 players at a time (trials with Zekken and Johnqt) when you can trial 4 or even 5 at a time? When it gets to the final short list of players I think we will see trials with the full prospective team including Zekken and Johnqt (50% cope and 50% faith in current roster).

Zekken has talked about wanting to go to college or just move on from pro
Johnqt has talked about moving back to EMEA
Source: stream clips I vaguely remember but don't save

Brother imma need you to go ahead and read what you just typed to me. Good day sir, hopefully you know another language besides English cause I genuinely fear for you ability to communicate about anything of importance after your displayed level of language cognition. Don't waste time googling those words, just move on to the next thread.

english is hard but read my response in #5. This post is not about heals lmao

huh

edit: oh you thought I meant heals. Naw dawg Cooldowns, the E ability regen, getting more of your signature. Hope this clears it up

If they remove regen(cooldown) abilities it is fucking over chat. You cannot tell me these devs are doing anything but trying to kill the game. Pretty sad cause the Esports side of things is massively improving next year, but if the meta and game feel like dogshit it does not matter how open or exciting Esports is. John Riot I want you to walk your fat ass down to the balance department and fire every single mf there.

This game could have been an email. Genuinely hand the bracelet to Brawk or Skuba maybe and let everyone go home. FNC pls make this game interesting

COME ON MAN - S0m

The grammar mistakes, over-use of capitalization, exasperated tone, and several misquotes undermine whatever point you are trying to make. Obviously Cryo is an important player to you, and there is no shame in liking a player and wanting them on a team. However in this exchange you routinely ignore my points and misquote me to make arguments against things I have not claimed. This is VLR, not a scientific forum so I am not surprised or offended by this, but it completely robs you of any credibility in this exchange because you have a certain outcome that must be satisfied. I have laid out my critique of Cryo, it fits with the results of the last 3 years, and acknowledges that I still think he has a future in Valorant, just not as a core part of winning team in 2026. I will accept being wrong, players prove people wrong all the time, I have no stake in Cryo's future or care if he makes it. You pretty obviously do, not for what I can guess is any real reason, but most likely something that borders on parasocial obsession, once again not a surprise on VLR.

"lol contrary to what you all like to blindly assume Cryo plays however the team wants him to play not because he’s incapable of playing other ways"

• Ok and your evidence for that is two Bind games that he popped off. Fair enough I concede the point that on all the maps, Bind is Cryo's best Yoru map. That does not disprove the point I made about his Yoru being behind America's average, you can see the poor performances on Haven, Sunset, and Lotus especially.

"the “hard” part of senti is experience discipline snd playstyle which Cryo meshes well with"

• Yes exactly the hard part is getting all those meaningful reps to build the experience that other players I listed have been getting on Sentinel for at least this last year, for some much longer. This doesn't mean I don't see Cryo as a potential prospect for Sentinel, but either in the off-season or in trials he will need to prove he can make up the playtime/knowledge gap on Sentinel. Aside from the in-game performance aspect of it, Cryo is by my eyes a star player, maybe his clout has value to an org, I would grant that his experience with the format of tier 1 is an asset, one that most of the prospects I listed don't have. That all comes at a cost, both literally in that you will probably be paying Cryo a higher salary and the opportunity cost of giving up on signing the next big player with a longer career ahead of them.

"“Why would I pay a superstar who’s not a role specialist is essentially your question” ask that to PRX ask yourself why they pay something… who’s what would you know a jett player… who doesn’t play entry/movement duelist… but Jett and now also Yoru… who would’ve guessed just like Cryo"

• I am not asking that question, much to my personal dismay (G2 Fan) Something is one of the best players in the world, especially on Yoru right now in double dive with Jinggg or Forsaken on Raze/Waylay entry, but also as a solo Yoru. Let's dive into that comparison of Something and Cryo, on the surface yes they both came from heavy Op/Scope backgrounds primarily on Jett for Something and Jett/Chamber for Cryo. As the game has gotten faster in the last 2 years and with the complete takeover of the Yoru meta, one of these players has been able to adapt their old skills into the Yoru role and dominate the pace of the game with Op and rifle. The other player is still holding to a passive playstyle that does not generate enough opportunity for the team. My solution: the passive player full commits to the Sentinel role where the passiveness is more favorable, even though there is a knowledge, experience, playtime gap on most of the agents in that role.

He would need to play more duelist agents because there is no point in keeping him or adding him as a duelist if he can't play half the agents, that is just begging for role issues like 100T have had for the past 3 years. His Yoru is not more than fine by International standards or even domestic standards, fair enough the style is different when Asuna is on an entry role, but you literally say the answer to why he plays Yoru this way; "He's not and has never been an entry duelist". His consistency is hyper erratic because yes he still does have those insane pop off moments that he is known as a star player for, but these performances never last and usually happen against struggling opponents, not against other serious contenders. "Learn Sentinel" is difficult, he will NEED to learn Vyse, Cypher, Viper, and maybe the others (KJ, Deadlock, Sage) depending on meta/team style/game changes, as well as whatever new agents Riot add. At his starting point of being good at Chamber and knowing a rough KJ set-up or two, this will be a big task for the off-season but not impossible which is why I think he should learn that role. This response is already long enough, I am an Omen main, to list the mistakes he makes in the FEW times he played this character (especially 2024), would probably double the length of this reply. Suffice to say Riot should go into his account and lock that agent for him again permanently.

Give me 10 names who performed better this year... well for a start the more consistent rosters of Sen and G2, as well as NRG even before this peak. Also looking at higher peaks this year and greater promise for next year I would put MIBR, LEV Sato, and even C9 Oxy ahead of 100T Cryo.

TW this isn't a list of people better than Cryo so don't cry, it is a list of people I would sooner trial for the listed role.
Sentinel Role: Inspire, NisMo, FireballOps, Moobs, Seven, Shondex, geeza, alvinboy, Guuih, rubkkoide
Controller Role: Supamen, Bao, Notexxd, Spaz, GMD, Zander, Paincakes, Cebando, v1bz, erde

I didn't even list foreign or out of region prospects... Why would I pay a superstar to maybe fit a role and probably not make an international when I can pay a rookie and see if the new talent could grow into something more even years down the road. Sen getting Cryo would be a similar kind of big game hunting that led 2024 NRG to crash and burn as well as 2023 SEN, getting Cryo in his current form is not justified by a short term or long term perspective.

Cryo can't play half the agents in the duelist role, is honestly behind the competition on Yoru, and has shakey consistency on Chamber and Jett. If he can learn Sentinel role I could see a case for C9 or even 100T keeping him. Some people say controller role and I could see Viper/Astra/Brim but his Omen has been god awful and that is the most important controller. "One of the best players in Amer all year" is just a lie or just insane cope. Speculation, but Cryo was probably one of the best paid players on 100t, and the blind support for him from the community is overvalued. If I wanted a Duelist this off-season I have 10+ people I would trial before Cryo, same for Controller, Sentinel maybe but still I'd rather have a player who is an expert on those agents now rather than a work in progress.

I remember people coping this hard for Yay in 2024... Hopefully Potter can make it work with this guy and teach him a role. Any team with serious aspirations of winning in 2026 shouldn't even let Cryo in the building

Idk if it's like someone else said but trying to be unpredictable and play a map your haven't shown this tourney, even still you are the predictable team that plays perfectly. That is your mantra and your advantage in most games, going away from that leaves you not at full strength.