fair enough. idk if its just me but i might put n4rrate #1

fair enough if u only use stats. i just thought in the rounds sen lost tenz was a major reason y they would lose them and not a big reason why they won most rounds

probably horrible for something standards but this mf is highest rated player from pacific that qualified

no something, davai, saadhak, caunazin

bro stop with the all roads lead to. thats only for the goat FAKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

its not that mid, just a lot of unknown unproven players on the international stage

me personally i think u r forgetting players like forsaken, davai, saadhak, cauanzin, meteor, zellsis, johnqt, and theres probably some chinese players I have no clue about.

y0y

imma b real i dont think tenz is top 10 maybe top 15 but the funniest thing is calling karon "karen" lmfaooo

ngl i wouldnt want a trophy for kick off when its like a small mini tourney just to open the season. I think it makes more sense for a trophy for the winner of playoffs after the round robin season

heres how i c their maps
S: split sunset (i dont really c anyone beating them currently on it unless another team is also S tier or they forget how to shoot)
A: bind (good just that its beatable when sen runs out of ideas with the yoru)
B: lotus (serviceable but need to c more bc they beat 100t who ran a chamber and looked dog on the map and loud who ran a pheonix no sentinel which is even more troll which took about 5 1v1s even tho the scoreline didnt show it)
C:Icebox (even tho they played loud close, loud also didnt look too good on it with loud mostly throwing rounds and not sen outplaying loud. it was basically mid vs mid but I blame this mostly to the map being doggy)
D:Breeze (i thinks theres the most potential for them on this map or lotus improve. didnt look good but the map could suit their players)
F: Ascent (Never play this map. dont have enough time to fix it.)
just noticed this now, looks like they r best on raze maps and suck on jett maps so kind of an interesting trend . if they can get 1 more map to A tier, i think their map pool is good

depends on the drawing which they hopefully do live right after the matches. pure rng so could b bad could b good

none i wanna c KC 2023 again

way too early for this. pretty sure most teams havent even played half the maps

his op is just the best out of everyone here and hes a lan player

1) Something
2) Kangkang
3)Zekken
i thinks theres a gap after these 3 and u can really switch the top 3 around all r better and weaker then the others in different aspects
4) texture
5)miniboo
6)marteen
gap now these players unknown to international play and now they have the opportunity to prove themselves, think texture is the best out of them
7) autumn
8) qck
these 2 dudes imma b real werent the reasons y their teams won and just arent as good as the other duelist going to madrid which is fine if the other players on their team step up

nivera forgetting to buy then winning the round is hyped bc it was funny asf

idk bout heretics but i kind of disagree with some your points. I think they should just perma ban ascent (dont think they have enough time to fix it) tenz on that map his smokes r either late or not in the best spots and overall the team just doesnt look good on it. I think there icebox is either mid or bad bc i thought it was mostly loud throwing rounds and not really sen outplaying them. Icebox is crappy map tho and tbh basically every team is mid on it other then fnatic. I like your point with sacy gekko on bind (not sure tho if its good solo imitator tho and if they will need to change other stuff). The only point I heavy disagree about is breeze. I dont think they should switch tenz onto yoru and zekken kayo bc imma b real i dont think we ever want to c tenz solo duelist again and it limits zekken whos basically sen best player.

gg bro have and keep being toxic. u r just useless talking to. u aint changing my opinion

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ofc i left the og discussion after u became toxic buddy. y would i have a discussion with someone that stopped using their brain and more of their emotions. it useless and a waste of time.

imagine trying think being toxic is laughing ICANT.

i just didnt like sen on that map bc i felt that they didnt really outplay loud and more of loud throwing rounds that made it closer than it actually was.

keep retorting to being toxic as reasoning imagine having that much anger on a forum

imma b real i think basically every team is mid or bad at icebox just bc the map is crap. istg every pro game i watch every map of it for kick off was just a clown fiesta circus with every game being close. probably only fnatic is good on it.

for icebox the reason y i dont think they were good on is bc even tho they played loud close, i also dont think loud is good on it(they moslty just anti eg on it which made them look better than they were). I would say its more of a middle map for sen. For lotus they beat a 100t with a chamber and loud with a pheonix no sentinel which i dont think is that impressive also. I would say its also a middle map. Bind I think they r pretty good at its just that playing yoru is so 1 dimensional and eventually u run out of ideas with it (kind of similar to optic and neon and how it eventually ran out of steam). Split and sunset very good like i dont c a team beating them on it unless they forget how to shoot for a day. Breeze is meh. Ascent pls dont play at ascent, doubt they can fix it in time for it (hate to say it but Tenz util on the map is pretty bad, either throwing smokes late or throwing not the most ideal ones)

i would say their biggest weakness is probably their map pool. I would say they have 2 maps in sunset and split where they r really good at. The rest of the maps they r very beatable.

i dont think sen on lotus and icebox r that good
if i were to rank their maps
S: split, sunset (hard to c them losing to anyone on these maps)
A: Bind (good but they can lose to a team thats good on it)
B: icebox lotus (50/50 arent great on it but also not terrible)
C: none
D: breeze and ascent (not good and should always try to ban them)

i mean yea thats true but u get wat i mean. prime chamber was the most broken agent in val. maybe u can argue prime jett with like 3 smokes but the amount of util teams used to clear out chambers in pro play was insane

ok but this was yay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_11jcyYAg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWKgISGH1-E

viper is good but prime chamber was actually way too op. this was basically how op chamber was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-AHedEQl54

i assume so mostly due to that sk lineup

u dont face every team, u just face a team that has the same record as u. ex: teams 1-0 face each other

what

i mean u aint wrong we suck ass at cs other then like maybe 3 or 4 really good players. most of the prospects like s0m, sick, and ethan in cs came to val during covid bc all the orgs in na got out of cs.

ok buddy imagine having to b toxic bc u ran out of logical reasoning

o i also know someone for funny insane

i mean i can think of someone but at least hes better now

o dw i think they love leaf even more xdd

jeez buddy y u getting all toxic. but live draw isnt seeding. they literally live draw based on teams that win and lose. now tell me if u were a team like lets say sen u lose your first match then u face loud again for win or go home when heretics r facing fpx, would u b happy

ok buddy tell me how its fair to KT to only face korean and chinese teams when its based on live draw

they only do seeding for cs. league did live drawing. pretty sure val will just copy league bc its riot and its impossible to rank the teams

thats the literal reason y swiss sucks bc its pure rng for determining matchups

also playing jett on sunset solo skye which means we r hard anchoring sites bc we have omen, cypher, viper. wat do they do play retake A with no util

this was who KT faced at worlds. first game lose to blg, second game beat damwon, third game beat weibo, 4th game lose bo3 qualification to lng, 5th game beat damwon in bo3 in win or go home match, now in playoffs get rewarded with jdg yea gg

heres was NRG first game destroyed by weibo, second game beat liquid , third game beat mad lions, fourth game beat g2 in bo3 to qualify, playoff time get destroyed by weibo 3-0

mans trying to think its still chamber meta

worlds wasnt group based it was swiss stage live draw

mans trying to make him yay 2.0 smh

nah its a terrible format. just in cs liquid and complexity r facing each other in win or go home granted its bc non updated valve rankings. But in league this year KT got fk bc they literally only faced korean and chinese teams while nrg only beat eu and na teams to get into playoffs

yea exactly