beware reycuck is coming soon

so you have all this "proof" that james_ff is not cool and you hide it instead of using it to stop his career
doubtful
I will await your "proof" to arrive to "actual journalists"
Copium

proof?

by the way, reporting is all based on you having connections. George is only a "good" reporter because he has them, and james_ff does not YET. But james_ff from what we've seen has a great personality and is willing to work hard and put the information out there. This most likely means he WILL have those connections, and I wouldn't be surprised if George's reporting is getting worse and less (hence the "YOU WILL WANT TO SEE THIS!!!" but no information tweet) because they just don't like him and he's losing connections

I care about journalism for sure
james_ff is working with limited information but is posting everything he knows immediately in an easy to read manner and communicates with his community effectively and responsibly. he is already making connections and working with people who have done reporting before and he is only getting better. I'd much rather support someone who is attempting to work hard at reporting and putting out information and is a good character and good look for the scene than someone who is a known predator who half the community hates besides him being creepy because he's just annoying and toxic.

rather go to the james_ff school than the george's school of talking up teenagers and unfortunately that isn't speculation this time

bro did a whole lotta yappin just to say nothin

reycac when all reporting is speculation until the deal goes through 🤯 (orgs can say they are playing with a player then change their mind, nothing is final until it's on paper)

any idea/indication who Liquid management is leaning towards? if not all good!

reycac when situations change 🤯 (the universe isn't static and things are happening constantly)

ty for info 👑

I like it, I feel like there are a bit too many avenues through mid making it suffer a bit like Breeze, but the sites themselves are fun and interesting. B is a copy paste of Pearl besides long not existing which is really funny to me

don't want to leak anything, but there is some crazy stuff that will happen.... don't think you guys will predict it, you will want to be here and stay tuned......

wanted to try George's style of reporting these roster moves ^v^ lmk if it worked!!!!

Guys, the season after the next there will be some BIG MASSIVE moves. You WILL NOT expect these!!!!!! I won't say anything.... but trust me.........

flyuh
verno
thief
clear
bjor

m80/guard off limits since most if not all are being signed anyways

Sentinels executive suite (4 people) are getting paid a combined 1Million+ per year for a company that loses 8 million dollars per year. I'm sure it's similar across every other org in the league. What exactly are they getting paid 300k for if they can't convert the value of the labor of their hardworking players into profit? Isn't that their whole job?

yikes, I was not aware of this information. Agreed the entire point it to turn work into profit and they are doing an awful job of converting that especially compared to traditional sports.

But "for the good of the business" players should take minimum salary, it doesn't sit right with me. Ultimately the money for reasonable player salaries is gonna come from our pockets, which it should... But no one is asking me for my money. Not jack, not rob, not matt...

not for the good of the business, but because it's necessary for the business to stay afloat. similarly, the executive suite should also be making almost no money considering they aren't making any profit.

get George's fraud ass NOW

expand?

quickly to expand:
these players imho make enough to get bye on minimum but obviously not enough money to live WELL. I agree with what you're saying and no it doesn't sound appealing but unfortunately that is the landscape right now because orgs are treating this as a weird investment rather than a business a lot of the time. They are not monetizing and capitalizing on viewership and views as much as they should be and other sports programs do which is shooting themselves in the foot. Unfortunately this means they need to pay these low salaries sometimes to teams that don't bring in as much viewership because it's necessary for the organization to run and stay afloat, even if it isn't ideal for the players. Hence why I've stated it's understandable why the players declined the offer. All I'm saying is that 50k is still enough to live not that it's ideal.

That last point is where I disagree. Why should the best players in the world, the ones who provide most of the value, who work their ass off suffer and live off scraps "for the passion"? Why shouldn't we put the pressure on the orgs to pull their heads out of their ass and monetize properly? If you can't pay livable and reasonable wages your business is not viable.

They aren't the best players in the world, the best get paid way more. They are being paid the minimum because they made 0 tournaments the entire year. Those players are not living off scraps and they got 114.5k each with a 50/50 split JUST FROM the Champs bundle sales. We should put pressure on the orgs to monetize properly, but until they can it's the unfortunate reality that they HAVE to pay these lower salaries because their business IS NOT viable.

"rent on off season and end lease" do you know hard it is to find leases like that? And how awful would it be to have to find new housing every 6-8 months after the season ends while you're playing?

not wrong but if it's your passion it's what you have to do considering the landscape currently

The only valid point was the passion, which I can get but I wouldn't be passionate for scraps.

that is you not the players

My anger is not towards players, but orgs have failed pathetically to monetize the value a pro brings to the team. You should not be getting paid 50k before taxes in a high cost living area and high pressure job when hundreds of thousands of people watch what you do. Period.

understandable. these orgs suck at monetizing shit currently and that's why I feel it's necessary for the orgs to pay the minimum because otherwise they'd go out of business. No cool content, videos, promotions, meets, in-person advertising that is meaningful.

yeah not in LA where it's way cheaper
they don't need to pay for rent every month, rather rent on off-season and end lease when season starts
even if they do pay for rent all year, they can choose where to live and find a very cheap area (which most do)

almost every player relocates and flies home after bootcamp is over since it's not required to be there anymore
I don't think any of these players live fully in LA unless they make a lot by streaming / CC
it's why you see the players back at their places (cheap areas or with family) off-season and during the season they're at their team house or bootcamp area which is all covered by the org

for sure playing both is fun and I think if you can hit high rank on both it's a big flex
I plan to hit a high rank in every competitive FPS I enjoy (OW, Apex, CS and Val). Hope it goes well for you!

Valorant better but I'd rather player CS2 than CSGO and I still enjoy playing both

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true but most likely will not happen

from what I know every org has housing/bootcamp area in LA that they pay for (not the players)
travel paid for by orgs
high pressure and no job security understandable but these people are pros because they love the game and want to compete, those are the risks they are willing to take

Added it to the original post, you're right
60k a month is insane on top of paying a million dollars for one player's buyout

I wouldn't say greedy, these players are used to higher salaries and therefore expect more. Like I said, completely understandable why they declined and they have every right to do so. I just think that the narrative that C9 is cheap or the amount offered is unjustified is wrong.

These players make 50k without many expenses for a chunk of the year and also get brand recognition and stream making more money. I'd much rather have that reality than orgs shutting down and esports being unsustainable.

!!!ALLAT WARNING!!!

Paying your players minimum salary which is still $50,000 a year is fine unless they are consistently making the biggest tournaments of the year and going deep or winning, and most teams/players who are doing so are getting paid significantly more. For context, even with a 50/50 split with the org on all money with the champions bundle, each player made $114.5k. These players that are making those lower amounts a lot of the time don't makes orgs much money since they aren't championship teams, and are less likely to pull in big sponsors and merch. On top of that, from what I know, all orgs make sure the players get housing covered most of the time (teamhouses), and travel and food (if they have a chef). Paying these players more if they aren't bringing in money from making large tournaments is unsustainable and why most orgs are in the red besides ones that pay these minimums and sell players or ones that have multiple championship teams. Also a lot of these players stream, have youtubes etc anyways and that also makes them money. On top of this, they overpayed players so much and didn't get results that they dropped their entire GC roster.
C9 is a team that made 0 big tournaments the entire year and was forgotten by most players, it's understandable why they got offered the amount they did. It's completely understandable why the players declined the contract, but I think the narrative that "C9 is cheap" is untrue or that these players aren't making "ENOUGH" money considering the value they brought to the organization.

yeah and that's how it should be, kinda like what I said in #32

a team that made 0 big tournaments the entire year and all the players made even more $ by streaming on top of their 50k base salary where they don't pay rent or travel or food expenses for a chunk of the year. understandable but there has to be some context

yeah and I bet you they are getting paid significantly more than 50k now because they proved themselves and also they got the bundle money and the money they make from streaming

my hot take:
paying your players minimum salary which is still 50,000 a year is fine imho unless they are consistently making the biggest tournaments of the year and going deep or winning. these players that are making those lower amounts a lot of the time don't makes orgs much money since they aren't championship teams, and if they were then sure I understand 50k being not enough but even then they get champions bundle money (even if 50/50 with org players would be getting 114.5k) and the org probably ups their pay anyways. they also get housing covered most of the time (teamhouses), and travel and food (if they have a chef). paying these players more if they aren't bringing in the $$$$ is unsustainable and why most orgs are in the red besides ones that pay these minimums and sell players. also a lot of these players stream, have youtubes etc anyways and that also makes them money.

source for the 50k a year?
nvm I found it you're right 👍ty

bump

I apologize, I assumed you were a baiter trying to stir drama and make people argue. This isn't the place for it imho but I respect you trying to learn. I'm sorry for assuming you meant for this to turn negatively.

#16

cryo will still be good even with Jett nerf
if not he can be a sova/initiator flex which is what he played and was fantastic with before Jett
if that doesn't work then I understand a change

thansk

idk about Eren and YRSelect but JayH, bryce and Spring are all fantastic players

I actually like the new breeze a lot more now, just needs a bit of tweaking to prevent extremely crunched A main fights every round
B feels a lot better and mid and having less routes is WAY better
they should just remove halls altogether imho it feels so pointless

no

👍 we can only hope

bjor clears

insani will save everyone

put bankroft on jett dude was going crazy on it last night in swiftplay