so you're saying people that were calling NRG washed were all not serious?

sounds good bud

saadhaks wet dream

how did we feel? W or no? im at a hockey game so didnt watch

lowkey its still winnable for loud purely based off the raw skill they have but if nrg are to be as good as theyre expected to this shouldnt be difficult for them

W article

idk, i think a serious part of the reason th and kc beat fnatic is because they both play much more disciplined and have extremely good fundamentals
fut and navi don't really have that kind of focus on fundies that heretics and kcorp do
i could see it happening for sure but those wins kind of rely more on a Guy Diff which doesnt really have the same effect on fnc like it did on vitality the other day

think they tweeted like yesterday or the day before that they arrived

"no teams that were at madrid ran a duelist on icebox" heretics played icebox two days ago and did not run a duelist
i know they werent there for long(neither were kc sadly) but heretics were in fact also at madrid!

exactly two good teams can run the comp and it can still be bad or not optimal
i beg to just see one more team run harbor gekko so they can actually plant top site instead of blindly sending lil bro to his death on the regular

? in what way is my comment bait lmao the comp is designed to fight aggressively in pre-plant situations because their only plant util is wingman, but zeta used their util really poorly and took a ton of dry fights and struggled to get bomb down cleanly on A site, and did not have number advantage postplants, which should be the goal of the gekko/kayo/jett comp
i also think that the goal of the comp does not flow well with how icebox is structured - fighting aggressively in that way is risky and when you are zeta and seemingly can't use your util, the comp is even worse
i would so much rather see a harbor or a sova or a sage over one of kayo/jett both in general and based on how zeta played
icebox is the simplest map in the game theres honestly not that much room to fuck this up imo

someone needs to come tell this heretics fan team heretics was at madrid

ok, evil geniuses run deadlock
tons of tier 2 teams are also playing no duelist
no duelist was even something teams such as nrg were playing before icebox got taken out(still an identical map with an added window btw)
it also doesnt matter what little qualifiers you put on it dawg you said "every good team" when YOUR VERY TEAM doesnt follow your dumbass statement and beat fnatic with it, by the way
like you're just wrong and still replying

imagine they drop a new comp and 2-0 tho

did i argue for double senti specifically?? please attempt reading sometime this year

the very team you are repping does not run a duelist
https://www.vlr.gg/318915/fnatic-vs-team-heretics-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w1/?game=164100&tab=overview

wtf are you talking about my guy

ya maybe im judging too harshly, but i still think the comp has some pretty significant deficiencies that zeta clearly do not know how to compensate for
i also generally dislike duelist on icebox

i zoned out watching how long did hiroronn end up holding ult for

ehhh not really lol teams that run double initiator are often taking out the duelist in exchange, harbor also has like a 40-50% pickrate?
the comp just lacks direct plant assistance that requires the team to compensate by fighting with the flash util and zeta havent used a flash in their entire lives it seems

ya and it sucks
the plant util is weak as fuck and even still hiroronn is severely underusing his util
yuran also shit wingman usage

wtf is this? gekko+kayo and jett?? you're picking a duelist but no sova, your ONLY plant agent is the gekko, and where tf is yuran sending lil bro on the A hits because bomb keeps going down in fuckass nowhere, and can't get the plant down because no harbor, no sage, just a wingman with legit zero assistance
sugarzero creating zero mid pressure too

also someone update me when hiroronn binds his util

did we watch the same match man GE look horrible
Thinking Men would 26-0 this team this is not a serious franchising team

what does this team even do in scrims? what do they do in vod review? what do their coaches do? what does their igl do?

this GE team looks like they're discovering through the game how to play it, absolutely directionless
zero purpose to any of their util, no intensity, just completely lost

this is just truly lost... GE look like silvers with this "strategy"
completely and totally lost, they dont seem to understand the point of their agents even
never seen a more comfortable A site hold in my entire life

and thats ignoring the whole thing of polvi having seemingly never played raze before, what is that satchel entry off the a box???? truly horrible scenes
also ignoring this team has never traded properly before
dryest util ever with absolutely no ideas at all, absolutely shocking

tbf i expected a close game too lol

7 kills across two maps...

26-6 is INSANE, holy dogwalk
and TWAT has looked good too

i have some unfortunate news for you

my conspiracy theory is that loud are capping and have been in the US practicing the whole time

(nrg should still win)

potawatomi

you just lost to qraxs on RAZE

which one

good team to debut against tbh, takes a bit of pressure off

he plays next week right? is there an update to his visa situation?

these losses aren't as bad at people are hyping them up to be but the trend of performances(not placements, but actual performances in the games themselves) between lockin/tokyo to champs and now here is concerning
this was a genuinely perfect team that then went to looking like they didnt deserve to win champs and now is getting borderline shredded by younger, newer teams playing a different style of valorant
the losses in themselves are not shock horror disaster the way its being talked about but there is a narrative here, deservedly so
this isnt something that can just get brushed off as an inevitable gods do bleed or whatever, we're talking about a team that did not drop a MAP between lockin final and eg uppers in tokyo(excluding the liquid final, because who cares), who they then 3-0d(albeit paperthin margins, but still a 3-0), and now they've been 2-0d TWICE by teams in their own region

how do you win 6 pistols and still lose

he was frying and looked pretty natural playing viper/kayo flex

are we watching the same sayf

T1
NRG
EDG

c0m hard clears mazino

getting carried 4-2 adv1

my bad sym u still got it

at the start of the season yeah... idk about now

FNC(purely a specific matchup gap tbh, i think PRX is functionally better as a team)
NRG(they've finally had time to cook shit up, this team will look good)
TH(specifically with miniboo, without miniboo LEV are probably favoured)
T1(BLG didnt make it out of play-ins... yawn)
SEN(by a very large margin)
LOUD(by a very large margin)
KC(N4RRATE is very good at the video game)
100T(i will NOT be forgetting destrian going 0/16 against KC on sunset any time soon)
FUT(one of these teams has yetujey and the other doesnt know how to figure out which bomb site to retake)

zyppan is not a fraud youre smoking rocks

you can't, but you should be federally charged for being purely braindead

thats assuming clove dies on the site where bomb goes down or generally where action is happening
u pop a bind tp and clove's value post-death nosedives
clove dies in an extremity on a default and their value post-death nosedives
etc

im hesitant to attach too much value to it on release date

astra would 100% be better because of smoke size, clove's are simply too small esp for b site choke unless you run double controller
double controller has kind of faded in meta since the changes tho in favour of ascent style comps(and will do so even more with the skye nerfs)

issue is its still localized to brim ipad range from where you died

holy glaze

thats nice that you think that!