maybe in league play but he was at best the third best PRX player in the playoffs when they really started to come together

idk who won pacific mvp didnt realize there was one but definitely wouldnt be something imo

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something is not their best player 😭

edg clears giants

t1 is higher than drx

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nah if you can't tell that theres an immense difference in game between then and now, you're discrediting all that work lol

they were getting penetrated by lev in WEEK 6 and now they're stomping them for the second time in a week

a lot of teams had close wins and close losses you can cope all you want seethe all you please they were 0-9 with the second worst round diff, they sucked ass

mibr was ass too but they had moments where they were good unlike kru who had good moments for 8 rounds then threw

whzy drops 40 kills on cmid with judge

no dude LMFAO it's okay to admit kru sucked in the regular season

no such thing as a good 0-9 team that was -53 in round diff and 5-18 in maps lmfao they were getting stomped every other week and had one close map a series sometimes

you are discrediting the work they put in by calling their shitty season good just bc they got close to being 2-7 instead of OWEN

cmid was the worst player at tokyo lol

yeah they were its okay bro

they lost 26-8 to lev mid season when lev were sucky af

americas teams take turns honeymooning

taco at his worst clears cmid

giving Chinese val slots helps the game more than letting lev and secret finish last at champs

so corny bros hyping up the last place match at champs

liquid is atleast 4 easy

People gotta realize all the other teams can improve whereas the guard can't really replace anyone until next year IMO

for that reason every team has a chance to be better than guard

navi just isn't the same anymore bro

imagine being a fan of a team that barely scrapes through LCQ and is gonna finish last at champs

im picking billi gaming and FPX over navi

im a kru fan now

Copenhagen was the most stacked

yeah I thin vitality with their circumstances could use yay ngl

runi was playing like how boostio was from a fragging perspective in the league play then choked hard

anyone on c9 anyone can go except for leaf xeppa and jakee

zellsis energy is cool but the important thing is he makes a LOT of mistakes and although very flexible he's not as good as he was on entry

leaf or xeppa could IGL if yay replaced runi but yay would have to perm sentinel essentially

mce literally had c9 as the second most dominate team in league splits across all teams

with two t3 players ( they were t3 t2 is guard they weren't even in VCL )

demon1 isn't that high and shao shouldn't even be in HM sayf was easily top 3 itw this year jinggg is better than a lot of those players too definitely atleast demon1

if there was any abx yay left he would be employed rn

he said he wants to play, he cant play in americas

also all regions are pretty good atm

yay on smokes makes no sense his sentinel would be fine tho

Jakee is also like their second best player in the league split so idk how that makes sense

runi is ass tho would literally be better if c9 just had MCE igl from coach booth

he doesn't fit on any NA team he should go to EMEA or Bleed he can chose

they are keeping this roster rob Moore is a clout farmer

people act like shahz dapr and zombs werent on the roster for way too long they arent doing shit

good players from different orgs is literally what this core is moron

yay isn't going back to c9 the role issues are with leaf not Jakee or runi and nobody on this planet thinks yay is better than leaf at anything but passive awping and chamber

keiko is playing at a much higher level and against better competition than wolfen was

I think both alive and keiko are risks but they actually ENTRY even when their rifling is woeful so for that reason I prefer them

not a coach so not sure of chemistry but Keiko and alive can very well replace wolfen as far as replacing kold you just find an igl that works for whatever system they run, a dedicated hard caller has it's downsides as proven by ange1 and kold

you gotta find who works for your team tho from a surface level +keiko + Enzo works if KC don't grab him if they do krystal might work as a loose igl don't really think he's an amazing mid rounder but the leading aspect seems good

starxo is good for what he does

theres a lot of better options for koi no reason to keep dead wood

not true IGLS don't run valorant anymore

if the sen roster played for c9 they'd ruin valorant mce is the goat

silent killer of valorant went -10 in an elimination match at tokyo rofl

drop him for krystal ive seen enough

ngl 1.8 rating is crazy ange1 is winning the fraud igl battle atm

koi are the goats - kold

bro is doing his best to ruin his third super team

I have wondered where the conversation around IGLs ends for a while, so here I go starting it. If one was to realistically create criteria for quantifying and accurately measuring which IGLs are good, unlike other roles where you can take KAST, ADR, Clutches, etc. into account and create parity, it becomes difficult for an IGL as you cannot evaluate strategy, mid-rounding and just leadership objectively. Like how do you rate leadership? A good leader can lead in different ways, command respect in different avenues, etc.
Now, I am a football fan and one way a "captain" is evaluated, like Xavi in Barcelona, Gundogan in Man City (in terms of a good leader) or Harry Maguire in Man United (lol) for a study around what quality leaders provide and the only legit criteria I found was "improvement". Why is this the case? Imagine you have two equal-quality teams, in this situation, the better IGL would navigate a win 10/10 times if they played. Now if it's like a team with players 20% better, in that case, the same repeated would yield 8 wins if they played 10 times. Now, therefore, an evaluation of how much better a team or a group of players look with the presence of a good IGL is the test for what a good IGL looks like, for example, look at the top tier 1 IGLs in the scene, people like Boaster, FNS, Sadhaak, etc. A comparison would look like Marved at Sentinels, like clearly a terrible IGL because the team looked way worse qualitatively than with a different leader or IGL.
With this context, what's the community's opinion on IGLs? Gimme a top 10 including tier 2 and tier 3, I honestly think Hellranger is up there.

liquid stomp sayf dominates

marved with fnatic would be the diabolical

next year you can actually compare because teams know who to upgrade now

the frauds have been identified @ cned @ ange1 @ suygetsu @ shao @zyppan

sscary is #1 the rest of the list doesnt matter

remove n0vi then ur right

I am French African and live in the us bro its not that deep stop being parasocial and affected by things people say online trust me your quality of life will increase

on a real note theres a bunch of shit teams in each region so apac is the most exciting because they run it down and emea pretends to be good

like imagine picking between a bum try to play professional soccer correctly (navi) or watching Messi not try and just do random shit (talon)

The idea was to bring together a group of remarkable people,
https://www.vlr.gg/player/20871/kadavra

inshallah