-aspas, -c0m, -mazino, -kinggg, -tex

+adverso, +dantedeu5, +NicoMachine, +tinchoff, +cebando

PRX and EG (when they were actually good) lost to sen in scrims many times it doesn’t matter

TH were shitting on EDG on abyss in scrims btw, how did that turn out in real time?

fns has cost optic games just as much as boaster cost fnatic games

i’m surprised you didn’t pass out when dante whiffed to classics

fns is just as bad mechanically lmao he doesn’t clear boaster

Ascension and tier 1 are absolutely not the same and you can tell by the gameplay lol

This discussion is pointless because even if m80 lose out on ascension zander is still contracted for another 2 years lol

s0m has proven to be a world class harbor, great on omen and brim and has a very good understanding of how the role works lmao. getting zander over s0m is not an upgrade, it’s a side grade at best

don’t jinx it man

Now what do you run on other maps with that lineup?

If alfa stops tilting, fnatic has a better chance against nrg than they do vs fnatic

you make brazilians look bad just stop

that’s like saying fnatic is winning everything next year

jinggg is a very good raze wdym?

🤝

Out of respect

fnatics map veto against eg would objectively be bad more than good so idk why people say fnatic would’ve easily beaten EG

EG got better in champs while fnatic got exposed by drx and loud lol

FNATIC would have to either ban pearl or fracture vs EG and that’s just a free map win either way, lotus can be arguable but EG became better in that map

we can agree that crashies had a bad year and is def getting overhated, i think he should be on a franchise team next year

fnc was considered as a super team because everyone recognized how insane of a player leo was even before he won lock-in and tokyo, derke was pulling high numbers and alfajer was not too far behind. not JUST because chronicle had 1 trophy

fax, split and pearl heavily benefit gen g since they are double controller dominated maps

i respect it tho

I have more faith in TH winnning a grand final next year than NRG making high placements after their disappointments in 2023 and 2024

they are more individualistic than every other team, having individual pop off isn’t bad but you want to reach the sweet spot, a team like gen g does this very well

Bro just because zeek and boo didn’t work out together in a team doesn’t mean you have to have a grudge against him too 😭

he doesn’t like boo because zeek doesn’t like boo that’s literally why

Nah i don’t think they’ll be that bad but it’s better to have 0 expectations and let the season pan out

Oh yeah that too, still fucked how he had to pay for them lmao

They’re gonna say s0m but fns has explicitly said s0m will stay on perma smokes

Keep setting high expectations for NRG every year only to be disappointed. I would much rather believe sen or Th winning a final over the high expectations people like to set on NRG

teams can’t have international fans? ain’t no way a KC fan is gatekeeping fanbases 😭

KC has an NA import, can NA fans not like KC solely cause of that?

I think he can live up to the expectations, n4rrate sure did. But I don’t have any expectations for NRG as a whole

n1cf please don’t be like this 🥺

he might stick with KC for all we know, i wouldn’t mind but they need to get rid of m0gnum first

NRG spent too much money getting demon1 and ethan I highly doubt the ceo will burn more money than he already has

neither of those best teams except for sen maybe will do shit lol it’s just gonna be another jinx and there will be another americas team no one will expect to do well

flair

there are more overrated players on the list than kangkang (hiko 💀)

How do you have demon1 on the list but not kangkang who was clearly the most popular player from tokyo, he was making a name for himself and representing CN valorant very well with a 5-6th place in tokyo and champs 2023. What the hell is mazino doing on this list? He didn’t even make madrid and got a worse placement than kangkang 💀 Kangkang also did more than keznit ever did (sorry kru fans I had to 😭) he’s also been at internationals since 2022, so idk wtf lakia (made 2-3 events in 2021 and didn’t make another one since then) and t3xture are doing there

kangkang did better than mazino tho? also has been to more internationals or just as much as he has

th flair also doesn’t help your case

lev were decent, NZR was their second best player last year

mazino but no kangkang 🤣

he played good in tokyo, champs 2023, madrid and champs 2024 yet he’s in this list over demon1 who made 2 events only?

that eco gave so much momentum to m80

If sen played harbor they would be higher (sorry cloudberry that’s just what you’re known for, nothing bad lmao)

silentzzz dropped 72 lmao

he would get better overtime obviously, look at icy

3/16 first map, 30/17 second map 😭

Who would get him though? I know teams offered to buy him but his contract expires in 2025

ascension started after champs this year

last year ascension started before champs

Why did they not make a separate league for SA?