Shao on vyse instead of fade 😭 because angel can only play smokes and init

Also just being on the right team during the right time. There’s a reason why certain teams win during a meta then fall off after because the meta suits their players agent pools.

I agree. Tenz is on top 10 OAT, derke chron Leo and Alfa are all arguably top 10, and boaster is a goat igl. But sacy who was multiple trophies I wouldn’t consider top 10 all time, even though he was a top 5 player in 2022. Individual performance matters as well as trophies. However trophies mostly matter because it proves you can do it against the best teams itw.

It’s just funny seeing people add “skill” to trophy winners
Like a player could be criticized super heavily or thought of as holding the team back the entire run up to grand finals , wins a trophy and suddenly they clear everyone else in the role and they are actually impactful/underrated

I notice a lot of people conflate trophies with individual skill. They put people that they would never even consider on the goat list into it the second they win a trophy. Every time a team wins a trophy, they assume all of the players are the best at their roles. An avg player wins a trophy and for years they insist they are a top player even if they underperform because they won a trophy, and people are shocked at their underperformance despite them being individually average before the trophy run.

This isn’t a fighting game or an arena shooter or any 1v1 game. You don’t need to be the best in ur role to a win a trophy, you just need to be decent/good and on the right team at the right time. There are players who may never win a trophy that clear like half the winners that exist.

What happened

The most impressive part is you actually know all the names
All Ik is My vandal is the Godzilla one with spikes

Let’s put meteor on tejo then get rid of our best support player, what’s t1 cooking
Surely the non tejo meta is best for the og roster

His team won like 18 rounds in 2 matches
I’m not saying he didn’t play bad but when you get stomped that badly and the sample size is only 2 matches it’s not as people pretend it is

If chronicles team got shit on hard they only got 18 rounds in 4 maps, he prolly wouldn’t look great either

Yeah that’s fair I really thought that last ascension was for sure m80’s moment finally
Kinda sad for Nismo all the other insane m80 players got picked up

Beat tgrd every single time except when it actually mattered 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Nah Eeiu choked and koala got diffed by Tex 😂

Why u Just hating for no reason brotha

That would have been a fire move honestly

Leafs low key been losing weight I been noticing

I had a weird claw grip for a while when my ring and pinky went over the front of my mouse and pushed it into my palm, it felt super snappy but a bit inconsistent
Now I just use regular claw

It’s cause he uses fingertip grip so he prolly got really used to a super high sensitivity. He’d prolly feel incredibly uncomfortable on low sense since he only really uses his wrist when looking around. Prolly barely uses his actual wrist for the aiming movements. But yeah you can definitely tell the drawbacks when he’s nervous, he’s very shaky

Difference is fnc players were actually top of their role for multiple years/seasons, chron being that before even joining fnc

Victor was always inconsistent, marved fell off hard after optic. I say this as a optic fan, optic/nrg were known for beating teams with more firepower (with the exception of yay)

I think smth sprays a lot at close range too, but yeah he strafes a lot more at long ranges

He tends to land his first burst a lot so it’s hard to tell, similar thing with primmie as well

Speaking of good movement, I’ve always felt like Zander has fantastic movement mid gunfight

Tbf they tend to be fairly stationary in gunfights and something struggles a bit more on rifles

I think part of it is they both crazy fast reaction time so they always have time to readjust even if their first bullet is off

Something is just a freak of nature tho his first shot accuracy on line 600 edpi is nuts

Makes sense that you move a lot in gunfights then
Have you tried high sense might make readjusting easier or at least more fun since you don’t prioritize first burst anyways

Fnc + nats is only goat list. Then you also half people like comeback, Kaajak, larok, sayonara, umu7, globex for upcoming talent, people like Suygetsu, Shao, keiko, cloud, sheydoes, all stick on shitty teams (minus keiko)

Would you say your more snappy or calm with rifles

Nah that is cap, Emea got like half the insane rookies/goat list players, if anything, talent is the one thing y’all aren’t lacking

Yeah that sucks, but generally they are extremely loud. Seoul was also very loud especially in finals, a masters in busan or incheon would go hard too

Definitely, but on most rifle fights which do you prefer?

I want a masters in china as well hopefully, I remember Shanghai crowd being great, especially in lower finals.

Found the immortal

How tf do you use a black cross in cs bro you must have fantastic vision

I notice a lot of people either are fairly stationary in gun fights and focus on aim, or are a-d spamming focusing on movement (for an example, derke vs Aspas). Which style do y’all prefer?

Use left hand view model, black 1-4-2-0, blue prelude and upgraded prime karambit as well

Use whichever sense brings you joy and fulfillment in life

Try psa method on aimlabs/kovaaks (prolly sixshot or dynamic clicking) or on dms/tdm if you want to use a random sense

Singularity phantom feels like a stinger with spread for some reason which is funny cause singularity vandal feels like aimbot

Nah get jonahp on kovaaks bro idk what he’s doing this year he was their second best player behind leaf last year

Really? I’ve always thought he was quite snappy

Not relative to their fragging ability if that makes sense

He DID NOT carry in 2023
Demon1 and Ethan were better like 90% of the year
Stop the EG ethan erasure

I’d hundred percent agree
His aim is great but not as great as his fragging ability would normally require
It’s his movement that allows him to be a fragger

He’s not an insane fragger tho, due to the nature of his role
His mechanics are pretty good as well

Fantastic shout I completely forgot
He’s so smart under pressure

Which players do y’all think are fraggers/carries with mid/unexceptional aim relative to their fragging?

I’d say Leo, chronicle, nats, leaf are the people that come to mind immediately

Scream Keznit and Sayf kinda held themselves back, scream and Sayf by switching off their best roles a lot and igling, Keznit by staying with kru, although things are looking up for them recently.

1. Sayf
2. Cryocells
3. Scream
4. S0m
5. Cloud
6. Invy
7. Keznit

If you can’t beat the good teams ur not making it far anyways

Alfajer is greater than Leo since he has more achievements
He’s not better though. Let me explain;

On prime fnatic, every single close match they had minus Emea finals, Leo was better than Alfa every single time. In lock-in, Leo was far better than Alfajer. In Emea league, Alfa was better for sure. Alfa was slightly better at Tokyo, but the one close match they had, Leo was once again better than Alfa. At champs, Alfajer started farming zeta and bilibili, but once they got to the actually hard matches, Leo was once again better.
In 2024, fnc were struggling a lot more, and Leo was once again their best player by far. At points in stage1 playoffs it felt like he single-handedly willed them into Shanghai, carrying their reverse sweep against heretics too.

Alfa is good too but when they were both playing together there was no doubt who was better.

I think people should be able to communicate and enjoy the game the same way regardless of their gender, something that they cant change. That’s not saying men don’t experience throwers and toxicity, but they don’t because of their gender specifically.

Communicating is an essential part of valorant. Half the time a women speaks and the weirdos in the lobby start making weird comments or throwing the game/sabotaging them for no reason. That makes the game very unenjoyable, even if you mute.

Really hard for me to read since I’m using vlr on mobile but I agree with what ur saying. To be fair, I think mastering agents is only 30% utility mastery and 70% understanding the play style of the agent and being good at the angles and positions you usually play on the agent.

I think it’s worse in Val because there are more women playing Val however. The CS player base is as bad, just fewer interactions to highlight it. I also think a lot of mfs are unable to view women as just another human and constantly view them either sexually or in a misogynistic light. They think of them as “other” just because they aren’t the same gender.

Honestly this is less a valorant issue and more of a societal issue. I do think riot could be a bit more severe with responding to sexism though; every time I hear a women talk on my team or duo with one I start praying none of my teammates start being weird, but someone almost always says some out of pocket shit.

Oh shit you’re right. Yet another roster lmfao. Poor prx they’ve gotten fucked with military service and visa issues, had a chance at both tourneys with a full roster.