What are some things that would improve vct?

I think that champs upper finals (and maybe all upper finals internationally) should be bo5, because 2 map bans and a first map pick is a huge advantage and should require a lot of to earn

Also would it be crazy if they made an international tournament with a round robin group stage and single elimination playoffs?

I guess I’ll just have to agree to disagree, because I see them as three different races, with champs being the hardest. You can’t be the best of the whole race, because there have been teams like edg and nrg who were shit 2/3rd of the year and peaked for champs, how can they be the best of a whole year? They just got lucky with when they peaked.
The meta changes between each of the 3 races, so how is champs the ultimate race?
A team like prx won Toronto and got heavily antistratted and studied, so champs was hard
Meanwhile, nrg were straight horrible in stage 1, so they had an easier champs. Could you truly say NRG were a better team in 2025? Or did they just get lucky with when they got good?

Simple was also individually far more consistent than kk, he’s more like Aspas where he only won once but he’s individually consistent, unlike kk

As for zywoo, he’s prolly be considered the goat over simple if it wasn’t for donk stealing his spotlight

Idk whose afraid of playing against kk apart from those finals tbh, and prime yay said chronicle was the hardest player he’d ever played against.

It’s way harder to win two international trophies, especially back to back
If your going off your exclusivity argument (2 masters vs 1 champs), then there are only two teams that won two international trophies ever (Sen and fnc), and only one team back to back (fnc), while there are 5 unique champs winners (acend, loud, eg, edg, nrg), so clearly champs isn’t as hard to win as multiples of any tournament.

But also, that argument is poor. There’s only one kickoff a year, so is winning kickoff more impressive than stage 1/stage2? I do think we should consider placements, valorant is too flukey to only consider trophies. Teams rise and fall with metas and certain agents like chamber or tejo.

He was the best player on gambit during champs? And was nearly as good at masters Berlin

Also, KK wasn’t the best player in champs either, that was chichoo or smoggy, he only really carried in the finals, so that argument applies to him too. One match, no matter how impressive doesn’t cancel chronicle being better than kangkang for literally FOUR YEARS.
You can’t really consider kk’s domestic achievement without considering chronicle has also won domestically 5 times in a far harder region, so it’s irrelevant. I think your confusing cultural impact and in game performance.

Oh yeah I do agree champs > masters, but the gap is exaggerated like crazy
To say that champs is far more impressive or masters shouldn’t matter is just a bad take imo

Imo, champs = 1.5 masters

It’s wayyyyyyy to rng for champs to matter that much
Genuinely such a flukey game, if champs was the only tournament that mattered the esports scene would be very scuffed

The cs comparison is different, since cs has two majors anyways, but also many many more big tournaments than valorant, many by third party organizers

Ultimately, the prestige thing shouldn’t matter much because it’s mostly just prize pool and promotion more than the tournament being more impressive to win
Valorant is way more flukey than cs, winning champs doesn’t make you a better team, just a team peaking at the right time. Surely you don’t consider EG more accomplished than FNC? Or acend more accomplished than gambit?

Kk > Chron is crazy surely?
Chron isn’t an Aspas level player but he is definitely individually far more consistent than kk

Some of his great tournaments include masters Berlin, champs Berlin, lockin, Tokyo, champs 24, and Toronto, was good champs 25 too
He has to be higher than kk, whose only individually stand out tourneys are masters Tokyo and champs 24

Zekken being higher than forsaken and meteor is crazy too
Feel like your biased towards duelists

Idk, it definitely allows for some teams to get easier group stage matches, even if against china

Riot is just confused, world champion = best team in the world, not however they define it

It’s funny because you can argue masters is harder to win
Champs has 4 teams from each region, so on paper worse over all players and competition quality

I’m not tryna be aggressive, I just swear a lot 😂

That’s fair
I just personally gave him top 10 because of shanghai, madrid, and Toronto. I felt like his peaks whenever he’s been on a tier 1 team (2024 onwards) have been too high, but I can see why you wouldn’t have him there

Sure, one domestic win isn’t important, but Chron has like 5

Alfajer always flexed to sentinel, meteor as well on the time he won Shanghai

Zekken kk and something cannot all be on the goat list, they all only really been good in 2 international tournaments each
Zekken (champs 24, madrid) something (champs 25), kk (Tokyo, champs 24)
Nah I gotta see ur full goat list man? I think you just got duelist bias tbh

I would put texture #10 maybe, jingg and something in honorable mentions
Jingg can’t be too high because his agent pool is pretty poor and he only gets away with it because he’s blessed enough to have forsaken on his team (whose higher than all of these guys on the goat list)

If you win a masters, your team is the best in the world
If you win a champs, your team is also the best in the world
Champs is harder because it’s at the end of the year, but also has 4 worse teams than masters

To claim that only champs matters is bullshit and we all know it

I have to disagree with this take.
Make a greatest player of all time list and the only duelists are Aspas, derke, and maybe texture, the rest are support players

There have individually been much more impressive players over shifting metas though, like alfajer, chronicle, and Aspas, who have also won more over trophies than Ethan (not champs though)
Surely their achievements are more impressive?

Champs is not that much harder to win than masters tbh, and chronicle has been individually more impressive and has won three events and many more domestic events than Ethan.

But Ethan hasn’t been good across the shifting metas? He’s only really been good in two of them (viper harbor, then post tejo meta)

Out of curiosity, would you have the acend or t1 players higher than the g2 players?

That’s just dumb bias then, if your going by statistics a lot of teams best players is non duelist

He doesn’t have a champs wins, but he has been part of the best team in the world 3 times and is individual better than Ethan

Depends on how heavily you value champs.

In a team game with constantly shifting metas? Why so?

A crazy take, considering the year hasn’t even started
I wouldn’t have thought fnc and nrg would be finalists at the start of 2025

That’s not true tbh, a lot of support players are good fraggers. The best fragger of all time list probably only contains derke and Aspas, maybe texture

Wouldn’t you say Ethan is quite a weak goat though? He doesn’t have any trophies other than the champs wins, so the moment another player has two champs wins he’s no longer the goat?

There’s quite a few champs winners on good teams though, such as Aspas and jawgemo and the nrg boys. I wouldn’t be shocked to see mibr win champs for an example.

Your looking good man give it some time and you’ll rank up

Let’s say you have two people with the same number of champs wins. What then?

Seen a lot more people including Ethan now in the goat convo

I’m curious, what is your criteria for GOAT?

Kinda funny, I feel a lot of people select a goat and then change their standards to justify their goat, rather than create standards and then pick a player that satisfies them.

Masterclass in not wasting info utility too
Can’t tell you have many tier1 pros drone something then dart immediately after, or kayo knife immediately after a sova dart, or skye dog see people and info flash for no reason

Ethan don’t waste his util

Interesting because tenz has only been to 5 internationals ever, and he gets critiqued for being inconsistent but 4/5 internationals he made he played well at
He’s only really had shaky domestic tournaments

He’s by far the goat support player too, especially when you consider he’s calling

He’s not the goat, but relevant for a third of 2021 + 2025, and 2/3 of 2023, that’s nearly 1.5 years

Alfajer Toronto > tenz Reykjavik, the difference in competition is monumental

I’d say Nats Berlin > tenz Reykjavik

We will see, this my prediction for kickoff, not for the whole year

Eggster will take a lil to acclimate to tier1 imo

100t will let him perma chamber and he’ll fry

Exactly, mibr were round from beating drx, fnc, and nrg, so they played very well at champions

C9 also were a solid team and were very overhated

Ty my goat

Couple round from beating both sen and nrg this year too, so a couple rounds from making champs

Xeppaa played a lot of sova and fade, I think that’s a non factor
The biggest question mark to me will be zellsis’s calling

Wasn’t that among their first ever games as a roster together?

How are c9 even in these discussions bro
They were literally top 4 in Americas and made a sidegrade

Istg people watching Val with their eyes closed

I think he’ll be really good tbh, I also think tejo is still viable in a few maps and g2 is one of the teams that’s very aware of that

Ok wtf check that game where he went 30-12, one of his opponents was in immortal but is now gold?????
wtf

No idea why it translated to Portuguese tbh

https://prnt.sc/Xi0jcVVHjfQ1

Tier list on how well I think the Americas players will be at kickoff
This is based on what my predicted form for these guys will be, so I have some rookies very high

Babybay did not clear him, they literally played together and Jonah was clearly better
0/8