Derke and Leo were better at lockin. Pretty sure Alfa played as well as him too on a completely new role.

Nun against uk, I love yall but this mf clowning on Brazil an entire country so I gotta clown back

Mean while Brazil has saadhak (2nd best igl of all time), Aspas (best duelist of all time), sacy (2nd most winning player plus one of the best init of all time), less (best sentinel of all time or at least 2nd)

He also does sabotage his team. Check the fnc vs liquid finals in 2023, fnc vs loud in 2023 champs elimination as well

I mean Brazil has contributed more goat/top players to valor ant than the uk

Boaster, keiko, who else

Goat is alfajer, boat is Aspas/leo

Good take, he also trained derke and alfajer

Chron is like 6 3 and a swimmer bro that is not a twink
Now verno tho 🤤

He didn’t carry bums, Cortezia and verno are good, and kingg and Mazino are good. However, his teams always have one or two mid/below mid players, and none of the 4 good players I mentioned are comparable to kaajak/alfajer/leo/derke/nats/boaster

I agree, I personally think it’s Aspas (though it would be Leo if he was still playing), but alfajer has a better argument than Chron

Calling kaajak and crashies bums is insane
Calling boaster, the goat igl a bum is straight up delusion

Boaster is more dominantly the goat igl than Chron is the goat flex btw

Also boaster is the best Igl of all time
Since leaving loud, Aspas has had artzin and kingg, who are inconsistent callers, and verno, whose rookie

Ok Chron is definitely not the goat but loud is definitely a super team

Difference is Aspas left loud after 2 years and put up similar numbers, whereas we all saw Chron in 22 when m3c fell off.
Hell we have seen Chron struggle even on fnc when they are playing well

Talking about the elimination match, you know, the most important one?

He’s not the reason his team loses tho. Chronicle went -22 on a super team and cost fnc their match against loud in champs 23

Before you bring up Toronto, mibr all played shit. Leo and Alfa were playing well in champs 23, and the game was close, so Chron playing that poorly did indeed make the difference.

I never claimed that chron couldn’t have more trophies, since he’s a very good player on a very good team.
You claimed Aspas cannot be the goat since he’s hasn’t won trophies, while chron has, but that the difference, one has had a much better team than the other historically since 23 (where both had a chance to win 2 trophies, loud choked one and barely lost to eg, while fnc successfully won two).
Chron is high up in the goat list, but his own teammates are ahead of him, and Aspas has the same consistency and higher peaks. I’d be more willing to give alfajer goat status than Chron.

Aspas has never had a fnc level team since leaving loud, and he had a real chance of winning lock-in and champs 23 while being loud best player that year. Since then, his teams have usually been worse than chrons.

The best on the team argument is to prove that chronicle individually cannot be the goat since he’s not individually the best player on his own team. It doesn’t even make sense to compare to the best fragger in vct for 3 years, when the comparison should be between his teammates and Aspas instead.

Chronicle would be the best on his team if it was a bum team. He would also certainly not put up Aspas numbers or even his own current numbers.
It’s not just Aspas is the best player on his team, it’s also his performances are incredible. Chronicle isn’t the best player on his team AND his performances aren’t nearly as consistent. That’s the problem, but this is ofc speculation. And yes, Aspas was the second worst player when he won, but he was generally louds best player from 22-23. Only less came close, but Aspas slightly outperformed him if you look at both years.

That’s such short intervals compared to his own teammates like Leo, derke and alfajer, not even mentioning someone like Aspas. Also, the super team thing is a big thing. Babybay was struggling in t2 but was frying on g2. Good systems make the players in them better. I’d need to see chron put up numbers outside of fnatic (obviously he did it on gambit, but that was when the game was far easier) to truly get a gauge on his individual skill. At the present, in the fnatic system, his teammates constantly outshine him.

Watching at least one of his teammates, most of the time TWO of his teammates be better than him, I can’t accept him as the goat
A very good player, top 5 all time and personally flex GOAT but not the valor ant goat

Hard for me to accept Chron as goat since I watched alfajer and Leo be better than him, than derke be better than him
Nats was better at Berlin, Sheydos and Nats were better in 22, alfajer better at Toronto and right now, Kaajak was better stage 1

Hard to call a player like that the goat

He changed his mind and says aspas is the goat
Then he says forsaken is the goat
Then he says nats is the goat
Depends on who he’s watching tbh

Farmed drx, farmed nrg, server mvp vs fnatic too no?

Just checked. Tied highest rating with crashies, most kills, most acs, most kills, most first bloods, highest adr for that match vs fnatic too

Farmed th as well

Demon1 champs and Leo lock-in/ Alfa tokyo the only ones I can think off that rival

If you watch the games, it’s easy to see he’s not a baiter
But if he wants to bait, with the performances he’s putting up he can go ahead and do so

He came damn close to a trophy with Tex and com on his team, guarantee he can win a trophy with 4 decent teammates

He won’t do it ofc
He’s prolly gonna join some apac team and just have fun (valid honestly) 😭

But I want aspas to join or create a super team for one year
Feels like he’s never been close to winning a trophy since leaving loud, he needs competent teammates so he can secure his goat status for years to come
Every year since leaving loud he has a couple liabilities on his team

Aspas clears but prx is better so something would prolly win the match

Where are you actually from btw sentinelmain

Needs his kayo to not avg 76 adr in 28 rounds

• saadhak + pancada

1000 posts in a month put the fries in the bag bro

MINIBOO CLEARS 🤓 HE ERM DIES MORE SO HE MUST HAVE MORE IMPACT

Ah yes zellsis who famously won champs

Man people are so skinny here im 68 kg and 179 cm and I’m not very big either

Don’t forget Leo
Verno is legit Leo reincarnated

Must have been blind yesterday huh

At being Turkish yes
At everything else no

He carried Derke and alfajer bro cmon now

This is like comparing less and nats

I can’t believe how good his fragging is while calling

2-11 to 16-13 and people were saying he had bad mental

Vibes merchant who knows how to shoot back

I smell a t1 Bangkok esque run incoming. Eliminating G2 was the equivalent of the game vs Vit. You heard it here first folks.

Sugarzero laz crow dep tennn

Nothing crashies and Ethan haven’t experienced before
They got clowned on so hard precisely because they are super good usually

Zeta 2022 in all honesty

Excerpt his teammates didn’t always trade, hence why it often came down to clutches
Going in and dying is not the goal of a duelist, it’s to go in and make space. If dying is the best way to do that, then it’s ok but usually living (having an extra gun and set of eyes) or getting a kill creates more space. Additionally, dying puts massive pressure on ur teammates to trade. This isn’t chess or a perfect simulation; just because they are setup doesn’t mean they will always be able trade their entry.

Give ur opponents the first blood advantage in twice as many rounds and not giving ur team the first blood in 5 less rounds
Brain dead argument