I would put texture #10 maybe, jingg and something in honorable mentions
Jingg can’t be too high because his agent pool is pretty poor and he only gets away with it because he’s blessed enough to have forsaken on his team (whose higher than all of these guys on the goat list)

If you win a masters, your team is the best in the world
If you win a champs, your team is also the best in the world
Champs is harder because it’s at the end of the year, but also has 4 worse teams than masters

To claim that only champs matters is bullshit and we all know it

I have to disagree with this take.
Make a greatest player of all time list and the only duelists are Aspas, derke, and maybe texture, the rest are support players

There have individually been much more impressive players over shifting metas though, like alfajer, chronicle, and Aspas, who have also won more over trophies than Ethan (not champs though)
Surely their achievements are more impressive?

Champs is not that much harder to win than masters tbh, and chronicle has been individually more impressive and has won three events and many more domestic events than Ethan.

But Ethan hasn’t been good across the shifting metas? He’s only really been good in two of them (viper harbor, then post tejo meta)

Out of curiosity, would you have the acend or t1 players higher than the g2 players?

That’s just dumb bias then, if your going by statistics a lot of teams best players is non duelist

He doesn’t have a champs wins, but he has been part of the best team in the world 3 times and is individual better than Ethan

Depends on how heavily you value champs.

In a team game with constantly shifting metas? Why so?

A crazy take, considering the year hasn’t even started
I wouldn’t have thought fnc and nrg would be finalists at the start of 2025

That’s not true tbh, a lot of support players are good fraggers. The best fragger of all time list probably only contains derke and Aspas, maybe texture

Wouldn’t you say Ethan is quite a weak goat though? He doesn’t have any trophies other than the champs wins, so the moment another player has two champs wins he’s no longer the goat?

There’s quite a few champs winners on good teams though, such as Aspas and jawgemo and the nrg boys. I wouldn’t be shocked to see mibr win champs for an example.

Your looking good man give it some time and you’ll rank up

Let’s say you have two people with the same number of champs wins. What then?

Seen a lot more people including Ethan now in the goat convo

I’m curious, what is your criteria for GOAT?

Kinda funny, I feel a lot of people select a goat and then change their standards to justify their goat, rather than create standards and then pick a player that satisfies them.

Masterclass in not wasting info utility too
Can’t tell you have many tier1 pros drone something then dart immediately after, or kayo knife immediately after a sova dart, or skye dog see people and info flash for no reason

Ethan don’t waste his util

Interesting because tenz has only been to 5 internationals ever, and he gets critiqued for being inconsistent but 4/5 internationals he made he played well at
He’s only really had shaky domestic tournaments

He’s by far the goat support player too, especially when you consider he’s calling

He’s not the goat, but relevant for a third of 2021 + 2025, and 2/3 of 2023, that’s nearly 1.5 years

Alfajer Toronto > tenz Reykjavik, the difference in competition is monumental

I’d say Nats Berlin > tenz Reykjavik

We will see, this my prediction for kickoff, not for the whole year

Eggster will take a lil to acclimate to tier1 imo

100t will let him perma chamber and he’ll fry

Exactly, mibr were round from beating drx, fnc, and nrg, so they played very well at champions

C9 also were a solid team and were very overhated

Ty my goat

Couple round from beating both sen and nrg this year too, so a couple rounds from making champs

Xeppaa played a lot of sova and fade, I think that’s a non factor
The biggest question mark to me will be zellsis’s calling

Wasn’t that among their first ever games as a roster together?

How are c9 even in these discussions bro
They were literally top 4 in Americas and made a sidegrade

Istg people watching Val with their eyes closed

I think he’ll be really good tbh, I also think tejo is still viable in a few maps and g2 is one of the teams that’s very aware of that

Ok wtf check that game where he went 30-12, one of his opponents was in immortal but is now gold?????
wtf

No idea why it translated to Portuguese tbh

https://prnt.sc/Xi0jcVVHjfQ1

Tier list on how well I think the Americas players will be at kickoff
This is based on what my predicted form for these guys will be, so I have some rookies very high

Babybay did not clear him, they literally played together and Jonah was clearly better
0/8

People talking about how xeppaa is on a team and demon1 isn’t, but Jonah is a firepower and flexibility upgrade over xeppaa, while demon1 would prolly mess with their roles a bit

People talking about demon1 and yay but how is jonahp not on a team? Actually crazy

Come on now you can do a little bit better

Nah his name is sam it’s ok

I love you all unless your name Samuel

Aspas > Chron internationally (this will really get him going)

Summoning sentinelmain, let’s see if it works

Nah that was actually my 4th alt? Get ur facts straight

Never really see him in top 10 players in americas discussion, or global discussions when zekken is often in them, but john while calling has been putting up similar numbers

He’s very underrated as a player no? Was a top tier player in every single split of americas this year, on top of calling
Often popped off in all of the bo5s/big games even if his teammates were playing poorly

Even as far back as Madrid, you could argue he was actually the MVP, put up tenz/Zekken level fragging and was calling well

He’s so underrated as a player

LMFAO

For the record I am not a flordiddy glazer tho, the cases is actually remarkably similar to sinatraa’s

Why am I a “flordiddy” glazer

Didn’t they use to have him play vyse on this map? I agree then he should be the kj not the viper

It’s less that babybay is a bad sentinel and more leaf was a very good sentinel last year
I’d rather if they did drop Jonah that they picked up a flex instead

I have a soft spot for leaf tbh, was it worth forcing off sentinel for babybay of all players

I hope it never happens because it’s objectively impressive to be the best team in the world by winning a masters. Champs is not much harder to win than a masters, it shouldn’t be the only event that matters

The champs winner has rarely ever been the best team that year