yay is being overrated just a tiny bit here. i know he's an amazing player and an amazing pickup but you gotta remember, they got short time to practice and the chemistry is gonna be brand new. Yay rn is being compared to ppl like tenz and wardell which honestly isn't right. he's close behind them but he's more on the level of purer and babybay. now maybe he could reach that top 2-3 level one day but for now he's still like a t2 type of guy.

that's true but im taking tenz over yay and sick over victor.

there were still some believers but as this tourney went on tsm has shown that they might be legitimate again. but once again, they gotta go thorugh the 4 best teams NA, and a real first test would be envy, although they kinda look rn

this always happens. good teams make the challengers finals first, and then the bad teams have to go and play in challengers 2 and then all of a sudden everyone seems to forget about those first 4 good teams. like tsm played t1, geng, luminosity, and faze to make it to challengers finals. it was a lot different for those teams in the first challengers. but yeah i think we all know wardell is a good awper. he has a case for first but just wait until tsm actually wins smth

not like wardell isn't saving his op every other round lol

SEN has said Gambit is a rlly good scrim team and that they destroyed them. but who knows, Gambit gotta make it to Berlin first lol

i see brax and there and so i know it's not a good list LOL

any got thoughts on the new NA challengers playoffs? games start on Wednesday and we now have the losers brackets finals on Saturday and the Grand Finals being normal on the Sunday. it doesn't change much other than the lower grand final game being a bit more hype and less tiring so that teams don't have to play twice in one day back to back

i can only talk about NA since I don't rlly watch any other region. but I agree that C9 is overrated. 100t is rated perfectly. no one considers them the top team but they are always in talks for top 5 and most of the time top 3. they looked shaky at the start of the year but they look fine now. v1 is rated perfectly, I'm sure they can go back to how they were at iceland. tsm is not underrated tho, they still have no success in 2021. making it to the main event is not success especially since they did the same thing last masters, but they lost in the main. until they make the main main event with the top dogs like sen envy xset and 100t (no order), and they find success there, tsm is still rated perfectly, as a t3-low t2 team.

i think part of it is that he just wants credit where it's due. a lot of people doubted sen for the longest time before they started to consistently dominate.

bro leviathian is a good player don'tt get me wrong but he's not even close to the conversation of top sovas yet. to be the best ur team has to somewhat win and you got to do it over time too. two things that he hasn't done yet

maybe he was their bad luck. maybe tsm finally wins today lol

go back to ur Cloud9 flair lol

shaz said GenG is good bc they always find a way to beat SEN or give them a rlly hard time.

Wardell might have better OP aim and skill but the way shaz uses it makes it have a greater impact. some of you will get it some won't. both are good though.

PENIS GIRTH? LMFAOOOOO

my favorite team is Sentinels so I won't choose them. If I had to choose anyone else, I'd have to say Gen. G. idk there's just smth about them. i only watch NA btw

got 1480 and couldn't get into a single uc other than riverside. i also did sports extracurriculars and everything you need. ur brother got very lucky lol

i respect the fake sen flair LOL

lol we're not all bad. you gotta give credit where credit is due and xset has worked hard with their new team and they look good. they definitely have a good future as long as they can stay on top of the meta and keep adapting

With yesterday's win against Envy, Sentinels now have a win rate of over 70% on every single map, with two other maps less than 1% away from 80%. Wow.

no need to think about this. sinatraa would never do the 6 man roster. he's said it multiple times

nah not necessarily. i mean icebox could have easily finished 12-10 or 12-9 smth like that, but ayrin and deph clutched up those last rounds. can't lie zombs got lucky on the ropes tho for the game winning point lol

LOL that is true. it'll just be more disappointing when 100T lose in the winner finals, if you guys make it there

yo hold your horses. yes he's crazy good but to put him as a contender for best player NA is a big thing. he's gotta perform at this level for a longer period of time. in terms of this stage 3 main even with the 8 teams, he's in the middle of the pack in terms of ACS. also his max kills has been 22 this main event. yes kills don't mean anything but when your damage, kills, and assists are nothing crazy, you can't be the best player. that's just how it is. i know he's good but he's not up there yet

lol is shaz supposed to say his teammate sucks or smth?

the team that beat them are more flexible. come on buddy

Who's the better C9 team? The old team known as Tenz and Friends or their current team that lost to Rise in open quals. I just wanna know what you guys think.

edit: i forgot to say. old c9 did have more time together compared to the new c9 right now. but they did make finals which is something new c9 has not done.

I think we already knew his name lol

-21 now lol

gee cornell is down bad to be taking you ngl. im joking lol. didn't think a cornell kid would be hanging out in vlr forums 24/7 tho

AND YOU DROPPED 2 TO RISE LMFAOOO. RISE. i don't wanna hear it

nah i think they still actually gotta win stuff. it's unfortunate they ran into sen so early and it seems to be sen taking them out everytime but i personally think u actually need to win stuff or be close to winning before u enter the tier 1 scene. and no nsh monthly games don't count lol. they looked good but they did get boomed on their last two maps.

sentinels bias haha. i like how that's a thing

give me a team that has gone through more problems and has won as much as Sentinels. I'll wait lol

lol valorant is so weird

bro sentinels were 2 rounds away from going to the finals at first strike. they lost in overtime. "they were close" doesn't mean anything in valorant as long as you lose the game. results are results

ur so good at predicting oh my goodness

sen were up 12-5 and then trolled the last 5 rounds lol but yeah it's def weird

nvm

anyone gonna clutch up and find a sen stream?

anyone know if any small streamers are gonna stream this game?

not trolling, they confirmed this in their youtube channel

why did miracle ff?

YOU ALREADY KNOW IMMA BE THERE BABY

im a sentinels fan so this will be a bit biased, but i could see why u hate dapr, he's so troll and tbags a lot so if he's playing ur team, ur bound to get disrespected, makes sense. I'm not sure about zombs tho, he's so quiet and actually makes the funniest jokes without without trying. Also shaz, he's just a wholesome dude.

zombs is underrated for personality haha

good one buddy

exactly. zombs is always on a solo hold. zombs constantly holds haven B on his own, Split A on his own, Icebox all on his own. this is in comparison to the buddy system that tenz and shaz are always playing together or sick just floating around. zombs is still a really good player.

appa, i mean shahzam does the same thing. he wakes up, scrims for like 5+ hours and then he hops on stream at like 5 or 6 pm pst and then streams until 1 or 2 every single day