Imma be honest, Liquid only had a close series to Gambit through individual performances, not exactly team play. Link basically made that series as close as it was. In terms of team play, Gambit won

Bro stop riding that stupid BS. Nobody in EMEA was better than Fnatic in the Iceland meta just like all teams got smeaged on by Faze during Masters 1 but then Faze fell off when the meta changed. Fnatic lost fair and square and right now G2 is better but that doesn't mean they will do better than Fnatic in Berlin compared to the Iceland event

It isn't riots fault you dumbass. It's because of Covid restrictions. They even said they tried their best to help. They can't even know Bren are the ones who will win beforehand so what you said makes no sense.

That's about the difficulty of teams. This is completely different

Sentinels, G2 and F4Q are forced to play 4 different games due to Bren being unable to make it. This is kind of unfair to them as they will be revealing more of their playbook prior to playoffs. They will be playing the same teams over and over again. If they decide to change maps on the 2nd time to avoid being read, they will be revealing their map pool whilst other teams who win both first 2 games will play less and be at an advantage. At most, teams that will qualify from other groups will play 3 games whilst Group D is forced to play 4. This is not Brens fault but it does go against competitive integrity considering none of these teams did anything wrong. At the end of the day Valorant is a tactical shooter and this puts the 2 teams going forward at a tactical disadvantage.

Like I said I wasn't saying it for Sinaatra, he isn't even accused of Rape, he is accused of Sexual Assualt and don't talk like you know what is happening. Nobody does. But you cannot say that if it was you then you would record it. That's the dumbest shit you could say.

How fucking low IQ are you idiots. I'm not saying this for Sinaatra but how tf do you think Rape victims have video evidence? Do you think they just record everytime they are raped. Learn before you speak dumbass kids.

Finally!!! That kid is so fucking good. He can actually make Nuturn competition for Vision strikers. Better if they pick up a great Sova player.

The fact that you actually said that is dumb as fuck

Maybe I got too ambitious with the FPS HISTORY part but I said imo and mine does not have to align with yours so unless you got your head so far up your ass that you think your opinion is better. Shhhhhh. My answer still stands. We won't know unless we see and by WE, Im including you.

Nah dumbass, I was there. I listened to interviews. I read the reddit posts. I know what I'm talking about. I gave a logical answer. We can't know unless they face each other in this game. Yes TenZ fucked up. Nobody starts on the same level or reaches their peak at the same time. We can't know where TenZ stands unless they play on the same fucking sever

Dude they never even fucking faced each other. TenZ choked or whatever happened and left CS and is now in Valo and yes dumbass, the only way to know if TenZ would dominate in this game is if they come to Valo and face him. We can't answer it if they're playing on two different games can we?

Dude everything you said has nothing to do with what I said in anything. I never compared TenZ to Zywoo or S1mple and their impact. I said you won't know where they stand in Valorant unless they actually play on the same server. I never said TenZ was better. I even said if TenZ was to some how beat them, I would not say he is better at CS. Im not the one caught up in the comparison, you are. My answer is the most logical, you can't answer it unless they play each other in Valorant. That's my answer, everyone elses is "no because CS PLAYERS ARE GODS AND WE NEED TO WORSHIP AND SUCK THEIR DICKS HARDER TO SEE HOW FAR IT FITS"

Your entire point is wrong based on the words of actual pros. Listen to what pros have to say rather than act like you know more and can make the comparison just by watching. It actually proves my point of arrogance. The Dota comparison is because Dota has always been compared to LOL. Literally from its creation. Dota players have always said that it takes more skill and involves far more thinking so my point is Valid here. Your certainty in CS players being better in Valo than Valo players again proves my point of arrogance. Unless they come to Valo and do better than TenZ, your point is shit and always will be

Has always been said to be. Like literally always

Than you can never prove that to me. Like I said, I will never say they are better than TenZ in Valo because they are good in CS and I will never say TenZ is better in CS because he is the best in Valo. Like I said, imo TenZ is one of the most gifted mechanical players and other pros would actually agree. I'm not going to believe that some kids from CS are better than him in Valo unless they come and beat him. Also the talent pool is not going to only CS. That misconception is bad. CIS is the only region where CS significantly has more CS players. The Ratio for Valo is actually pretty good across the world. So a talented player that could be the next S1mple in CS could be a giant anime fan and decide to persue Valo but CS fans will shit on him without knowing his potential simply because he is playing Valo over CS. You cannot say all young mechanical talent is in CS.

Obviously, the comparison exists because people consider Dota to be mechanically more difficult than LOL therefore the comparison is relevant

Better mechanics than TenZ in Valo compared to them in CS? You can name 20 young players that have better mechanics than TenZ from a different game. Bro when TenZ came into CS. Pros, and fans had huge expectations for him. "Next S1mple, Gen Z Shroud, next big thing in CS" and yeah he failed but people are quick to judge others by failure, you judge him by his failure but forget the ceiling people set for him. That ceiling didn't fall off the planet because he messed up. You have never seen his peak. Unless the players you have in your head comes to Valorant and shits on TenZ. I will not believe they are better mechanically than him at this game.

That's an arrogant way to look at it when you haven't seen them play against him in this game. Your knowledge of their skill is from CS, not Valorant. Only way to know the gap is if they stood before him in this game and destroyed him but what would you say if he destroyed them? Would you call them washed? Or say Valo is rng? Would you say TenZ is better? Dota players aren't better than Faker unless they play against him and beat him over and over and over again. If S1mple came to Valo tomorrow and TenZ beat him in 8 out of 12 duels or even 10 of 12. I would never say TenZ is a better CS player than him because that would be untrue.

No way to know unless they do it. TenZ imo is one of the most mechanically gifted players in fps history. He still hasn't reached his peak either. This game also rewards his style of play. TenZ is already above players that were tier 1 CS that moved over. Like I said no way to know unless they make the move. It's arrogant for people to say they are more skilled than him in this game. I've seen so many people act like CS players are just going to be godly at this game but that's untrue.

TenZ and maybe Shinobi did revolutionize a lot of what Jett players do now. Like the Jett judge or Jett shotgun meta where you dash and get kills, the Jett dash updraft onto objects or when using knife left clicks , the smoke peeks where he throws a smoke and shoots just before it pops, the quick kill dash escape was also made famous by TenZ. So yeah, a lot of what TenZ did at the start is used by players now.

It's not being scared for them dumbass, its called unfair. They are the first seed of their region so they should have an easier group. They might as well have lost and face the 4th seed of EMEA alongside Sentinels but they got the 2nd and 3rd seed of EMEA. So what was the point of then winning 1st seed. And it's not just fans, it's pros and analysts that are complaining as well so don't act like a smartass

How is it whining when it's unfair to Vision strikers who won the 1st seed of their region and yet have to play against the 2nd and 3rd seed of EMEA. And it's unfair to Sentinels and 100t who won 1st and 2nd seed yet the 3rd seed is given the easiest group. Thats why it's bad

I don't know how the placements work but seeing SMB and Acend play again so early is not hype for this tourney. We want to see different regions play and fight to get out of groups. Group 1 has three of the best teams, Vs, SMB and Acend which means we will have to see one of them go before playoffs. This might make group 1 exciting for the start but it makes group 2 so much less exciting and throws Envy an easy ride into playoffs when they came out last in Na seeding.

Wtf are you even saying? Sorry but you clearly lack your own knowledge of Valorant if you think TenZ is a dumb player who is greedy. Clearly. You might have said that in C9 where he felt like he had to but in Sentinels? Yeah, you're on some crack

They're from CS but they didn't just come from CS. Valo is very different now. I don't think people realize how much the tactics in this game have evolved

Wouldn't have won Iceland without TenZ? No offense but give TenZ credit where it's due. He was the best player in the tournament and his impact was crazy, no player had his impact. Praise Shaz for his igl because it's deserved but don't discredit TenZ for his crazy performance at Lan. TenZ went 19 and 2 against Fnatic in first duels, how many rounds could Sen have lost or barely won if he wasn't giving them first advantage.

TenZ was considered the best in his region whilst he was on C9 so what you're saying is bull. People think Shazam is better at Jett because of what? His Icebox? He isn't the best player on split and go search TenZ all time stats on Jett vs Shahzam. TenZ is actually far more consistent on Jett Shaz plays on Texas ping. On Iceland TenZ had the highest stats as Jett, higher than Shaz.

People complain more about TenZ fans than TenZ fans actually being an issue to the point where I find less TenZ fans annoying and more of them annoying

Bro why are you asking people on Vlr when pros are giving you answers. NA pros say he is the best player. Recently on an interview with upcomer Russ from SMB (the flare you use BTW) said he is the best player and Yinsu Collins pushed for Cned but he ignored her and said TenZ can play 3 different duelists extremely well. TenZ isn't just good, if he is having a good day, you're screwed but generally he is playing well enough for his team to win.

This is not because the teams at Iceland sucked but because the meta is constantly changing. The meta at Iceland was the post plant and slow meta where teams used Astra and Viper to slow pushes and then used the post plant meta to their advantage. The teams that really thrived in that meta was V1 and Fnatic. Teams need to constantly reinvent their approach to the game and maintain consistency no matter what changes are made. You've gotta praise the teams that stay consistent in a constantly changing game like Valorant

Do you know what he said fully? He mentions TenZ. It sound like he wants to prove he is a better player but I don't want to speculate

Where did he say this?

TenZ is actually one of the least flashy best players out there. He just remains completely consistent and his skill makes people actually think he is just "flashy". Saying something is flashy means it has no impact and that's not true. He is definitely their best player by the words of the players and other pros, not even my word

Throughout my time in the Valo community, I've seen more poeple saying TenZ fans are annoying than actual TenZ fans being overly annoying

Me? Why because I told you that hating someone for no realistic reason is toxic? So you hate someone who has nothing to do with me?

You "hate" TenZ? That's actually toxic because he has never done anything inhuman. I'm not saying you have to like him but HATE him. Wow!!!

This is some of the stupidest shit I see from poeple. TenZ is on Sentinels meaning he is a part of Sentinels and he is their best player.

You sound like a dumbass, why would you hate a player for his tendencies and for some of his fans. Stfu kid you sound stupid.

You want to create a superteam to beat THE superteam? Sen has the best fragger, the best IGL, the best flex player, the best Sentinel and an insane controller. They are THE superteam

Doesn't mean they played to lose. Do you think they wanted to lose on the maps they played. The format could have easily chose Icebox as the 3rd map even if they didn't pick it

Oh, my point remains though. 100t picked Haven and the format picked Breeze over Icebox. Dunno why they picked Haven, maybe they thought they could take Haven and get Icebox or maybe they wanted to practice their new comps. Doesn't mean they played to lose

They banned Bind and Icebox. Sentinels is arguably the best team on Bind. They have only lost once since TenZ joined and he was using Yoru. 100t is incredibly good on Icebox, it's their best map and it got banned by Sen. Sen pick split, good map for them and bad map for 100t, 100t pick Haven which Sen are good at but they probably felt confident they could beat them because they got close before. The new 6 map pool format kicked Ascent out and put Breeze as the 3rd map. So what are you talking about?

Even though seeding matches don't matter as much as qualification, it does not mean that teams are playing to lose. Its still a show of which teams are skilled, reactive and have good comms. I mean it's not like they are walking in to lose a game, they probably won't feel as bad if they lose but to say they play to lose and is dumb.

Meant Faze lol

Despite me wanting an Xset and Envy fight for the 3rd spot, gotta feel sorry for Faze and specifically Rise who played their hearts out for 5 to 6 hours which definitely takes a toll on your skill and mental. Ggs to them.

People are getting so pissed at Sen winning, they are analysing why their fans support them. Embarrassing ngl.

1 bad game and suddenly everything he has done up until now is gone. Typical idiots of this generation

People are always talking about his mechanics but I feel like TenZ has a depth to his agents that other so called best players/fraggers don't posses. He plays all 3 of the agents he uses differently. This is something I feel like the other players who are called the best don't possess.
Jett: Good Op user, Great with his Knives(can win you any round with his knives) , knows how to entry with a rifle, uses Jetts mobility and utility to give himself an advantage in fights whether its her up draft or smokes
Reyna: Fearless but smart. TenZ is not afraid to take fights with Reyna knowing he can dismiss or heal and carry on going. Reyna players tend to pug and can get punished whilst TenZ plays to give advantage to his team. He plays for the team, not for himself.
Raze: wasn't the best Raze but has recently improved immensely. Learned to play disciplined instead of like the above agents and use his utility effectively without throwing his life. Will only get better with time. Was actually the best Raze in terms of impact in the first quals.

Not just here, other places too. Just using facts rn.