4th in madrid is literally better than 4th at Lock\in
you had to win 3 games and play 4 to get 4th at Lock\in
you had to win between 5 and 7 to get 4th at madrid and play between 9 and 12
their game vs PRX was literally them at their worst. they had a bad performance in that game, that doesn't mean they underperformed across the whole of madrid and kickoff

neither NIP nor VK were bad teams, VK came off champs where they should've beaten the eventual winner acend (thats an entirely different discussion) and NIP were better than them. and LOUD beat them +55 on rounds across 3 series and 8 maps

yes thats an underperformance,
they lost to the #12, #6, and #3 teams at that event and ended 6th
meanwhile LOUD lost to #1, #2, and #3 and got 4th
both teams came in themselves expecting to make top 4 minimum, and thats what LOUD did

i feel sorry for you if that happens (because you'll have to visit france)

1. if PRX threw rounds against a tier2 NA team they'd still win 2-0, this is just coping
2. in meteor's own words "i don't think I could beat LOUD if we played them again, and vs PRX that was LOUD on a bad day vs PRX on a good day, but sure
3. i never said you directly called them bad
4. at events LOUD underperformed they lost to teams that didn't end up placing top 3(KRU, EDG), they did not do that this time. none of their losses at madrid or this year show underperformance.

Optic were not favored coming into the event. They weren't the #1 seed out of americas and they lost to Guard, V1, and Rise and almost lost to C9 in playoffs. They were a different beast than what was expected.
LOUD didn't drop a map, and with EMEA having issues, LOUD were favorites

LOUD didn't meet expectations at Reyjavik, does that mean they underperform? they were expected to win the event coming into it but didn't. That doesn't mean they underperformed

ethan wasn't a top 5 flex for like 1.5 years from after LCQ 2021 to Mid way through 2023's league stage, before that i don't even think players were categorized as flex players yet

LMFAO

there's probably 1 person with a lot of money just saying fuck it and betting on bleed ngl

you probably just don't know what underperforming means, its "to do worse than" and in #48 i discussed how they placed similar to or better than their average placement over the past 2 years. They haven't had any losses that stand out to say they are underperforming while they have literally beat sentinels

thats not what he meant by language, even with everyone speaking english there's a barrier in understanding

1. EDG borderline tier 2 beat PRX lmfaooooo
2. and? their only losses are to top 4 teams in the world which are all closely knit.
3. I never said you have to discredit LOUD to say they are underperfoming lmao
4. I never said that or misinterpreted anything stop making shit up lmfao. they averaged 4.333 at international events in 2023 and 5th place in 2022 the idea that they somehow underperformed does not make sense
   edit: changed wording for #3, point is the same

no your main point is that LOUD underperformed and my point is that LOUD didn't underperform. I'm not dodging anything

I don't have to call it a good performance for LOUD, that would be if i was saying LOUD overperformed or met expectations.
you are arguing LOUD underperformed and that their play at madrid was bad enough to warrant it, I am arguing their play was fine because they still got fucking 4th in the world

1. DRX were not qualifying with how they played at kickoff, and if they did they wouldn't of beaten LOUD
2. EMEA's best should've qualified. You cannot discredit LOUD and say they are underperforming because the best teams in other regions underperformed
3. FPX sure ONE slot wasted(on a team that is still top 15 in ITW) but EDG is still a solid team lmfao.
4. i'm not saying its an ideal finish for LOUD, but 4th place in the world is not a bad enough finish to say they are underperforming. we know what LOUD is like when they underperform at tournaments (0-2, -24 & Top 8 at Tokyo) LOUD went 2-3 with +10 on round diff at madrid, they obliterated a team who got 5th-6th.
   EDIT: idk what ur edit was, assume i was responding to the original message

genuienly idk, C9 might've paid more for him?

i didn't know how else to quantify it im sorry lmaoo

you forgot that the F is capitalized so its abcdeFghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789

i have plenty of time to lose brother, i've got more time to lose than fnatic has games to lose

they are literally 5-5 vs SEN on maps total, and in the series at madrid they were +19 on kills even after losing map 1 13-4.
you act like only 8 teams could've made madrid, they got 4th out of 8 teams who each got top 2 out of 11 teams

bro saying they would've gotten better results than aspas is NOT YOUR POINT. no on ever argued that.
your point was that a team that has only lost to #1, 2, 3 and 4 ITW while also beating #1 in the world is underperforming.

if we don't try to educate people we won't get anywhere lol

they got 4th at madrid
have beaten the #1 team in the world
and their only losses are to #2 /#3(PRX & GenG) and #4 (NRG)
that is not underperforming....
underperforming is not getting at least 3rd/4th at an event

LOUD also didn't play every other team at madrid so we can't use the madrid metric either by your logic.....
they faced NRG after not touching the game for TWO WEEKS outside of saadhak and almost took a map stil..... holy fucking shit

their expectations are to win events, so they've only reached expectations once. the only 2 events you can say they've underperformed are Copenhagen and tokyo

i mean Zeta is the easiest of the 6 teams, DFM idk if they are easier than TLN or not yet

not meeting expectations and under performing are different things

no, 4th out of 44 teams that could've won the event lol
i never mentioned QCK not being a downgrade stop making shit up

THEY GOT 4TH AT THE LAST EVENT TF U MEAN UNDERPERFORMING

yay has accepted he isn't a duelist anymore lol, the team just thinks its best if he's on duelist

Americas:
Alpha: probably 3
Omega: 2 or 3 it depends which LEV we get for the next few weeks
EMEA:
Alpha: 3
Omega: 3
Pacific:
Alpha: 2
Omega: 3
China:
Alpha: 2
Omega: 2

HASN'T GOTTEN ANY CRITICISM YET BAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAA

im just saying your message of "bottom tier" means nothing when there are TWO tiers, and honestly cned might be too aggro there he is turkish

bro there is no way in hell you think aspas has gotten the same hate as yay

EMEA can be divided into 2 tiers
Great
and Shit

VAMOS KRU
for the first time since 2021 champs i truly believe in them

yay and egoist retiring are completely unrelated roster transaction wise

i mean they have the firepower at their peaks to do it

nah this bleed would beat global

this iteration of bleed would be favored against Koi, Global, and Tyloo.
they could beat(relatively even) Furia, EG, GiantX, Allgamers, Zeta, M8, BBL, Nova,
Upset(underdogs but could win) Team Secret, JDG, Nova, DFM, and maybe liquid
there aren't a lot of good signs but seeing them switch off of the harbor only icebox comp is promising

the coach has to go yes, roles are just wack.
put zest on viper, deryeon init, retla kj

in 2022, when they had will, derrek was fine. im not talking abt 2023.
2023 Derrek and stellar were the weakest links though

He played reyna on bind and dropped 0 on that map

YES YOU ARE YOU HORNDOG

DUDE WHY ARE U THINKING ABT KATARINA AND FORSAKEN HAVING A CHILD

will and derrek were fine, Stellar literally hampered 100T compared to like any other IGL and his calling ability was carried by Sean

the philippines were owned by the spanish before us idk how they were rich and self sufficient under the SPANISH CROWN, can u explain more?

its the spanish crown thats a given

WOOOOOOOOOOO